Paul Benjamin wrote:

Distrowatch.com only has two reviews of SuSE 8.2 so far:

http://www.madpenguin.org/article.php?sid=126&mode=thread&order=0 http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3163

The reviews are what you would expect for a small bump in version number. Distribution of SuSE in the USA is always going to be behind Red Hat. SuSE did cut most of their USA staff last year, it has been bad times for all Linux companies. Red Hat and SuSE are hovering around the break even point. Nobody is getting rich selling a distro.

http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?distribution=SuSE&month=all&year=all

SuSE Oakland has hired several people since, and in early summer is moving into a larger office... some very large companies have started ordering products and support, reason is the interest from the S&P 500 has grown significantly. Michael

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly, SuSE is a nice distro, and I am happy to hear that SuSE prospers in the USA. Unfortunately I have to say : - First : I am very disappointed that SuSE forgot the French Market. I know SuSE france was closed down due to new strategy and economical reason, but is really unbelievable that such companies like SuSE forget the French (and on a wider view : Quebec, Belgium and French Switzerland) market. They (SuSE staff) don't bother even to show their products on Linux Expos if it is located in France. May be French market is not viable though. But MandrakeSoft is unfortunately dying and Redhat is well implanted in France. - Second : I have SuSE 8.0 Pro and I noticed that the support from SuSE is not as good as it was 3 years ago : I experienced lot of problems with SuSE 6.3 (I was a newbie) and they helped me even if the question was not covered in the support (like SDL or multimedias libraries, printers, and so on). moreover, they responde dvery quickly (2 days or 3) Now when I asked question (it was 10 months ago), I almost never received satisfaction : either the subject was not covered or I never received response. I don't know now. Fortunately I discovered (thanks to SuSE indeed) I discovered this mailing list and I am happy. I like SuSE distro : LSB compliant, scripts understandable, very well structured, almost no major problems (Example : On redhat 8 it is impossible at work to install Quake 3 demo or even to use a Digital Camera (that craches the Redhat System) whereas on SuSE 8.1 everything goes smoothly). The only problem I got was the impossible way to generate my self Gnome 2.2 RPM for SuSE from sources, because I am not experienced enough to write my own spec for some tar.gz packages (I don't want to install Gnome 2.2 directly from sources though, I want to keep a clean distro because I work on it) If the support and Commercial department were as good as the engineer department from SuSE, I am sure this distro would be more known. This is not a troll, I don't undestand the politic of SuSE. Paul Benjamin wrote:

That is good to hear. I love SuSE mainly because it is the only distribution that I found that tries to put programs in an orderly way. I hated when everything got dumped in c:\windows ten years ago and don't thing dumping everything in /usr/bin is much smarter.

I hope that SuSE and Linux prospers.

pben

On Sunday 20 April 2003 09:46 am, Michael Hasenstein wrote:

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SuSE Oakland has hired several people since, and in early summer is moving into a larger office... some very large companies have started ordering products and support, reason is the interest from the S&P 500 has grown significantly.

Michael

On Saturday 26 April 2003 6:33 am, Derek Fountain wrote:

On Saturday 26 April 2003 13:05, Paul Benjamin wrote:

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I think I found someone who doesn't like SuSE. Poor Dennis E. Powell has the install from hell for SuSE 8.2.

http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=333

I used to quite like reading dep's stuff, but these days whatever he writes is just a pile of whining. He went from useful, informative KDE stuff to honking about why he doesn't like it or the way the developers act anymore.

I read about half of this SuSE-8.2 article before it became apparent it was just a load of complaining from start to finish. Why does he think readers will get entertainment out of this kind of tedious drivel? Tell SuSE if their product doesn't work, and if they don't fix it move to the competition.

I wasted 5 minutes reading this "article". On the bright side, I stopped half way down so at least I can say I didn't waste another 5.

and now I'll probably have to spend some months fighting this article in comp.os.linux.advocacy when the wintrolls get a hold of it... :( they just love stories like that one... so much material for them to base their fictictious own SuSE experiences off of...

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 26 April 2003 00:33 am, Derek Fountain wrote:

On Saturday 26 April 2003 13:05, Paul Benjamin wrote:

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I think I found someone who doesn't like SuSE. Poor Dennis E. Powell has the install from hell for SuSE 8.2.

http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=333

I used to quite like reading dep's stuff, but these days whatever he writes is just a pile of whining. He went from useful, informative KDE stuff to honking about why he doesn't like it or the way the developers act anymore.

I read about half of this SuSE-8.2 article before it became apparent it was just a load of complaining from start to finish. Why does he think readers will get entertainment out of this kind of tedious drivel? Tell SuSE if their product doesn't work, and if they don't fix it move to the competition.

I wasted 5 minutes reading this "article". On the bright side, I stopped half way down so at least I can say I didn't waste another 5.

-- "...our desktop is falling behind stability-wise and feature wise to KDE ...when I went to Mexico in December to the facility where we launched gnome, they had all switched to KDE3." - Miguel de Icaza, March 2003

Yep, the last few reviews by dep have been essentially bashing. I fail to see how novice and noob alike can get this running, as well as intermediates (such as myself) and the long time admins of the big guns get it running with little or no hassle. But everytime I read anything dep puts out lately it seems as if he goes out of his way to over complicate the install/config. And this inevitably leads to failures that he rips into with reckless abandon. I thing he makes things much more difficult than the really are and I fail to see why he can't just install and work up the config as he goes. Seems as if he's trying to do a very advanced setup from the get go and stumbles everytime. Oh Well. Cheers, Curtis. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+qowK7WVLiDrqeksRAl27AKCEDUnLV7fKwCvJqqqcEPpeAHng7QCfT9Fa subGDEOlgGS373ubmssYjv8= =xwFF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Saturday 26 April 2003 01:05 am, Paul Benjamin wrote: | I think I found someone who doesn't like SuSE. actually, i love suse. i hate yast. and the mouse was the least of the problems. if there were a way to disable hardware probing at install time, it would very likely have gone just fine. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com

I hate Yast too because it is slow and it keeps SuSE for being circulated like you can Red Hat (oops I can't call it Red Hat if I do that), Mandrake or Debian. I can't complain too much about it not finding my hardware. I wonder if you have tried Knoppix on your hardware and if it was as bad. The first thing I did when I finally got a cable modem last month was gab an iso as see if it really worked. It found everything on my notebook including the wi-fi connection. It makes me look at Debian again, if only they put their programs in reasonable locations instead of dumping everything in /usr/bin. On Saturday 26 April 2003 09:27 am, dep wrote:

On Saturday 26 April 2003 01:05 am, Paul Benjamin wrote: | I think I found someone who doesn't like SuSE.

actually, i love suse. i hate yast. and the mouse was the least of the problems. if there were a way to disable hardware probing at install time, it would very likely have gone just fine. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com

On Saturday 26 April 2003 01:28 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

Why? You can give it away all you like, you just can't copy the disks and *sell* them.

It looks to me you can't do anything on CD or DVD without SuSE approval for sell or give away in the USA. http://www.suse.com/us/private/support/licenses/yast.html Dissemination It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers which have been reproduced without authorization for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG. All programmes derived from YaST, and all works derived thereof as a whole or parts thereof may only be disseminated with the amended sources and this licence in accordance with 2b). Making YaST or works derived thereof available free of charge together with SuSE Linux on FTP Servers and mailboxes is permitted if the licences on the software are observed.

Also, I've never noticed YaST being slow. YOU can be slow, but it's much better now, especially if you use an http server rather than an ftp one. Indeed, I regard YaST extremely highly - it's a fantastic tool. Of course, if you prefer the style of one of the other distros' tools, that's perfectly understandable, but that's not a lack in YaST.

You are right YOU/YaST2/SAX2 are tied together in my mind I should have been clearer.

And as for its not finding hardware, SuSE (and hence YaST) is, as I understand it, pretty much the best distro for finding hardware so you'd be unlikely to do much better overall by switching.

I have never had any problem either. I was just wondering if Knoppix had the same problem on his hardware. They have done a great job on hardware detection also.

On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 11:28, John Pettigrew wrote:

Why? You can give it away all you like, you just can't copy the disks and *sell* them.

Also, I've never noticed YaST being slow. YOU can be slow, but it's much better now, especially if you use an http server rather than an ftp one. Indeed, I regard YaST extremely highly - it's a fantastic tool. Of course, if you prefer the style of one of the other distros' tools, that's perfectly understandable, but that's not a lack in YaST.

Or better yet, use the ncurses version of yast. That's what I usually use. Every bit as functional and very fast. I don't see the problem, personally. Yast is awesome. I BUY SuSE because I think it's a good value. Why would someone buy something they didn't believe was worth paying for? Preston