HI Jessen et al, On Wednesday 12 January 2005 18:10, Per Jessen wrote:

James Hatridge wrote:

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OK, I can read from it fine. BUT the !"""§$! thing will not burn, in fact both xcdroast and k3b does not even see it as a burner. Can some kind soul tell me how to get this to work? I bet it has something to do with that crappy supermount.

what does "cdrecord -scanbus" say?

Nothing, the burner is IDE not scsi. All it says is that it can't find a scsi disk. Here is what I got: Tux:~ # cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i686-suse-linux) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original. Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to http://www.suse.de/feedback Note: The author of cdrecord should not be bothered with problems in this version. cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'

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/rant on I've used only SuSE since 4.4.1 came out in 1998, and I've never been really unhappy with them until now. But the past two versions are really shit. Simple stuff (like burners) not working, major programs missing from the cds. Hell, did M$ (spit on the ground) buy SuSE? /rant off

Novell bought SuSE.

Know that, but I, sometimes, think that SuSE is trying to do a "forced upgraded" (a la W$) to, at least, DVD readers. If they don't want to put out cds they should just tell us cd-only-users to piss off. At least, then we would know that we're not welcomed and go someplace else. At the price that users pay for the 5 cd set, adding one cd should not be a real problem.

I dont think that's had any real effect on the quality, I think it took a hit before Novell got involved. It's a pity, regardless.

9.0 was OK, but I noticed problems starting with 9.1, at the time I thought that it was because everyone at SuSE was worrying more about their jobs (after Novell got SuSE) than about the quality. Anyway I thought that could tough it out. But, two bad versions in a row, makes me want to look around. I hope that the next one is better (9.3/10.0?). As far as I'm concerned its their last chance with me. (ARE YOU LISTENING SUSE?) One reason I stay with SuSE is being at the end of a very slow 56k dialup, I liked having everything on the disks. But if I'm going to have to d/l the major programs anyway. Why should I stick with SuSE (ARE YOU LISTENING SUSE?)? Anyway, back to the main question. Can someone tell what to do to get this burner working? Thanks, JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------          WartHog Bulletin           Info about new German Stamps    http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/bulletin/index.php             Viel Feind -- Viel Ehr'       Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection   http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/collection/index.php

James Hatridge writes:

Nothing, the burner is IDE not scsi. All it says is that it can't find a scsi disk. Here is what I got:

Tux:~ # cdrecord -scanbus ...

The following works here (there are more ways): # cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus ... scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'PLEXTOR ' 'DVDR PX-712A ' '1.03' Removable CD-ROM 1,1,0 101) * ... Anyway, I agree that the situation with removable media is not good. Documentation is missing and the system is not reliable. To make my life easier, I started to use "high" quality drives but even in this case I'm not 100% happy. For instance yesterday, I couldn't get K3b to burn a DVD-R disc (DVD+RW was OK) and I had to use growisofs from the command line. Moreover, one (cheap) DVD-R disc contained a corrupted file ... Perhaps more expensive DVD discs are more reliable, I'll try it later. -- A.M.

Sunny writes:

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To make my life easier, I started to use "high" quality drives but even in this case I'm not 100% happy. For instance yesterday, I couldn't get K3b to burn a DVD-R disc (DVD+RW was OK) and I had to use growisofs from the command line. Moreover, one (cheap) DVD-R disc contained a corrupted file ... Perhaps more expensive DVD discs are more reliable, I'll try it later.

Actually, this is known problem not in k3b, but in growisofs. As far as I know, it happens with Plextor and some other drives. When drive's firmware is not up to date, or not complete, and it does not recognize correctly the media, it can return some bad formated speed settings, which in turn are used from k3b. Usually it happens with -R disks.

Firmware upgrade of my Plextor PX-712A (from V1.03 to V1.05) didn't fix the problem with K3b. I'll investigate the problem later. -- A.M.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:50:06 +0100, James Hatridge wrote:

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what does "cdrecord -scanbus" say?

Nothing, the burner is IDE not scsi. All it says is that it can't find a scsi disk. Here is what I got:

Tux:~ # cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i686-suse-linux) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original. Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to http://www.suse.de/feedback Note: The author of cdrecord should not be bothered with problems in this version. cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'

Try: cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus This should list your IDE drive. Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85

Hi all... OK, after allot of screaming and cussin' at the screen I got my new burner working, sort of. Don't really know what I did, but this morning when I booted up it was working. Anyway, it works fine as root, but I can't seem to get it to work as user. Can someone give me a clue how to fix this? Thanks, JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------          WartHog Bulletin           Info about new German Stamps    http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/bulletin/index.php             Viel Feind -- Viel Ehr'       Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection   http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/collection/index.php

On Thursday 13 January 2005 18:20, Sunny wrote:

Great, now you have to explain what you mean by "work as root", etc. What program you use? What you can and what you can not do wit it as regular user :)

Sunny

I'm now able to burn cds as root, but not as user. But I can use it to read cds both as root and user. Sorry, I try to make myself understood, but sometimes I just get ahead of myself <G>. Thanks, JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------          WartHog Bulletin           Info about new German Stamps    http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/bulletin/index.php             Viel Feind -- Viel Ehr'       Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection   http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/collection/index.php

HI Sunny et al... Thanks for the info below. I'll try this in the morning and let you guys know how it went. Right now I can burn using k3b/xcdroast by starting the program as root. JIM On Thursday 13 January 2005 22:04, Sunny wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:34:45 +0100, James Hatridge

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On Thursday 13 January 2005 18:20, Sunny wrote:

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Great, now you have to explain what you mean by "work as root", etc. What program you use? What you can and what you can not do wit it as regular user :)

Sunny

I'm now able to burn cds as root, but not as user. But I can use it to read cds both as root and user. Sorry, I try to make myself understood, but sometimes I just get ahead of myself <G>.

Thanks,

JIM

Jim, try this (I assume your drive is hdc, so change below to fit your setup): 1. create a new group - mine is "burning". 2. change the permissions of your drive: # chmod 660 /dev/hdc 3. change the group owner of the device: # chown root:burning /dev/hdc 4. fire up k3bsetup. 5. Enable "Use burning group" and in the box enter the name of the group you created in step 1. 6. In the "Devices" list, it should enable the checkbox for your burner. If it does not, select it. Make sure in the "Permissions" or if it is going to change, in "New permissions" you have "660 root:burning" 7. In the "External programs" list, it should list cdrdao and cdrecord. Enable the checkboxes, if they are not, as make sure it is going to change (or keep) their permissions to be: "4710 root:burning" 8. Hit OK

This should change everything you need.

Now, add your user to the group burning, and you should be able to burn.

Sunny

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On Thursday 13 January 2005 18:20, Sunny wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:05:17 +0100, James Hatridge

wrote:

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Hi all...

OK, after allot of screaming and cussin' at the screen I got my new burner working, sort of. Don't really know what I did, but this morning when I booted up it was working. Anyway, it works fine as root, but I can't seem to get it to work as user. Can someone give me a clue how to fix this?

Great, now you have to explain what you mean by "work as root", etc. What program you use? What you can and what you can not do wit it as regular user :)

You don't suppose that he means it burns cd's as root, but not as a regular user do you? -- Powered by SuSE 9.2 Kernel 2.6.8 KDE 3.3.0 Kmail 1.7.1 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 7:50pm up 9 days 11:54, 5 users, load average: 2.78, 3.16, 3.34

On Thursday 13 January 2005 1:08 pm, Sunny wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:51:13 +0100, Mike wrote:

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You don't suppose that he means it burns cd's as root, but not as a regular user do you?

Mike,

No, the rule is - do not suppose! What if the device is detected as root but not as reg. user? Or he fails to burn with xcdroast, or cdrecord from CLI, or cdrdao, or k3b? What fails, CD or DVD burning? Is this problem with automount? All these have different ways to be solved.

Ok, I may be wrong to ask this. But then, please, help the man. Suppose that he has a particular problem, and solve it. Then solve his real one, if you supposed wrong. Or, you may create a manual with all possible situations, its up to you. Hmm, thats a good idea actually ...

Please, do not answer this. I asked, so I can help the OP as fast as I can, without wasting my time. And I'm not going to waste it any more arguing with you.

Sunny Hi,

This is something about 9.2. It needs to be 'suid' and the other pgms need to be set up that way in 'properties'. Last month there was a thread here about this. I think it was Ken who helped me. Search the archives for "PeterB" and whatever for the last month or 2. PeterB -- -- Proud SUSE user since 5.2 Loving SUSE 9.2 My BLOG == http://vancampen.org/blog --

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:14:02 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:

When I started to have problems burning using K3B or Xcdroast I worked around the problem by creating an icon on my desktop for the app, went into properties-->application--> Advanced Options--> Run as Different User and selected root. Now when I run K3B a window pops up and asks for roots password, which I supply, and then runs the program as though root started it. NO more problems burning CD's or DVD's. This may not be the best way but it works flawless for me.

-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989 SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please*

Ken, this defeats the security practices at all. The next step will be - why I need to use another user with restricted rights, log in as root and do whatever you need. As far as there is a way to make the program run as intended, leave root rights for only administrative purposes. 2c Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:57:05 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:

Are you now telling me how to run my home pc? How many times in the last

Hey, no offence. Run it as you wish.

year have people been complaining about -not- being able to use their CD/DVD burner? I only offered a sensible solution until the problem gets

How may of them have tried to change permissions of /dev/hdx, or use k3bsetup to fix the problem? I haven't seen this very often. I'm new to the list, though. I'll not go to argue with veterans.

fixed. If you have a permanent solution offer it instead of telling people how to configure/run their home PC!

And yes I know about security in the business world and would never allow this at a place of business but we are talking about home users.

The bulls**t you see on this list that "it works in windows" only shows that there is much more work to be done before the average joe home user starts switcher over to linux without having problems.

This only says that someone have tested his app for a given OS better. Nothing else. But teaching someone (especially new users) that running something as root is good thing, will make more harm that asking him to change the distro or the program he wants to use. How much time it will take for the first troyans which depend on user's habits to run any problem program as root? If a user has already made the effort to try and install linux, he'll make a little bit more to config and use it the right way. If some program can not be made to run the right way, use another program. Ken, this is a long conversation, I do not want to get in deep. Sure you and I have a lot more pleasant things to do with our time. And, for the record, I used this approach (run as root for k3b) for a long period of time as well :). And never offered it as solution. The OQ was how to run it as user, or why it does not work as user. Not - how to run it as root, as this is not a problem. Cheers Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85

On Thursday 13 January 2005 12:05 pm, James Hatridge wrote:

Hi all...

OK, after allot of screaming and cussin'  at the screen I got my new burner working, sort of. Don't really know what I did, but this morning when I booted up it was working. Anyway, it works fine as root, but I can't seem to get it to work as user. Can someone give me a clue how to fix this?

Not an answer but search the archives. There has been quite a discussion of this over the past month or more. (which I didn't follow) -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 01/13/05 13:26 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Smash forehead on keyboard to continue....."