On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 18:55:28 +0100 Daniel Bauer wrote: 8< snipped >8

While I missed Carlos on this list, did not agree with the ban and will be happy to hopefully see him back, I did not enter in the discussion.

I think it is really GREAT that the board came back on it's decision and I highly value the character and the guts to publicly correct a decision.

Thank you.

Daniel

My sentiments, exactly! +1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/11/2016 12:55 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:

Am 11.01.2016 um 18:16 schrieb Richard Brown:

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Hi all,

Thanks to those participating in the conversation concerning mailing list moderation that did not resort to personal attacks, name calling, or implying ill will towards any particular member of the community.

We have reviewed both the direct feedback to board@opensuse.org and all comments of the various threads and have come to the following conclusion. While the imposed ban on Carlos from the lists was justified, well intentioned and has resolved the disruption that was occurring on some lists, in retrospect the ban had further reaching impacts than expected, including removing a good source of help from this opensuse@o.o mailinglist. For that, we would like to apologise.

We have asked the ML admin team to re-instate Carlos on opensuse@.o.o while keeping the positing restriction on other lists in place until February 14th.

Again thanks to those participating in the discussion that focused on the matter of the issue.

The openSUSE Board Andrew Wafaa Bruno Friedmann Kostas Koudaras Michal Hrušecký Richard Brown (Chair) Robert Schweikert

While I missed Carlos on this list, did not agree with the ban and will be happy to hopefully see him back, I did not enter in the discussion.

I think it is really GREAT that the board came back on it's decision and I highly value the character and the guts to publicly correct a decision.

Thank you.

Daniel

+1 I agree as well, thank you. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes _.._ _ ."\__/"./`_\ _/__<__>__\/ jgs `"/_/""""\_\\ Adolph & Sharon Weidanz PADI MSDT/OWSI 283315 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:57:43 +0100 Bernhard Voelker wrote:

On 01/12/2016 10:10 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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[...] there remains one more action which the current members of the Board must make [...]

Personal minor note: This is possibly only me, but over the last years, I somehow got an allergy against "so. must do sthg". It's an open project in a free society, so hardly anyone "must" do anything. As we're not all native English speakers, such generalizing, passive wording might lead to misinterpretations, too. I'd prefer and therefore suggest active wording like "I'd vote for", or "I suggest". ;-)

There are people in this world who are not native English speakers? How gauche! p.s. - that's "gauche" in its English language meaning, not its French language meaning nor its Germanic roots meaning nor... ;-) Ralph -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/01/16 20:57, Bernhard Voelker wrote:

On 01/12/2016 10:10 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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[...] there remains one more action which the current members of the Board must make [...]

Personal minor note: This is possibly only me, but over the last years, I somehow got an allergy against "so. must do sthg". It's an open project in a free society, so hardly anyone "must" do anything. As we're not all native English speakers, such generalizing, passive wording might lead to misinterpretations, too. I'd prefer and therefore suggest active wording like "I'd vote for", or "I suggest". ;-) Thanks for reading.

Have a nice day, Berny

I understand what you are trying to express. Understanding what each of us is trying to express in our different languages is what makes communicating with each other in this, or any other, list/forum, a challenge in some ways. But there are always things said and actions taken which in any language are wrong. The case of Carlos being banned from posting by the Board for the reasons given by the members of the Board is one of them. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.3-9 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [01-12-16 06:26]: [...]

Well, thank you! Much appreciated. :-)

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On 01/12/2016 12:25 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2016-01-11 18:16, Richard Brown wrote:

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Hi all,

Thanks to those participating in the conversation concerning mailing list moderation that did not resort to personal attacks, name calling, or implying ill will towards any particular member of the community.

We have reviewed both the direct feedback to board@opensuse.org and all comments of the various threads and have come to the following conclusion. While the imposed ban on Carlos from the lists was justified, well intentioned and has resolved the disruption that was occurring on some lists, in retrospect the ban had further reaching impacts than expected, including removing a good source of help from this opensuse@o.o mailinglist. For that, we would like to apologise.

We have asked the ML admin team to re-instate Carlos on opensuse@.o.o while keeping the positing restriction on other lists in place until February 14th.

Again thanks to those participating in the discussion that focused on the matter of the issue.

The openSUSE Board Andrew Wafaa Bruno Friedmann Kostas Koudaras Michal Hrušecký Richard Brown (Chair) Robert Schweikert

Well, thank you! Much appreciated. :-)

I'll take the chance to thank you everybody else for their understanding and support. To some I have expressed such in private, now I do so in public and thus not forget people.

But... there have been some gross words written here in my support, and even though I can understand why they appear, those I would prefer would not be written. Let's keep things friendly, or at least, even in the heat, polite :-)

Bravo Carlos, well said! Gustav. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org