In the thread [SLE] Linux vs Windows Jon Pennington [cowboydren@yahoo.com] ranted:
Oh, and WTF is up with Opera? Does it still do implement that cranial-rectal-inversion scheme where it demands that every browser window be a daughter to an Opera mother window? Folks, I run four pages, an average of eight browser sessions, and a half-dozen other X applications. I have no time to screw around with an application demanding that I interract with it a certain way. Browsers help *me* do real work, not the other way around. I know, this is a feature not a bug, but can we make this runtime-configurable for crying out loud?
Jon, You may be interested to take a look at: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011113.html Maybe they do listen to what users want :) OK, it's windo$e, but word has it that Opera is working to get the next Linux version out ASAP with much the same features. Regards, Dave (Opera Loving) Barton --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 01.11.2001
In addition ..I would let you know Jon that Mozilla 0.9.5 has this tabbed feature as well :P * Dave Barton (bmcs@ozemail.com.au) [011113 04:14]: ->In the thread [SLE] Linux vs Windows Jon Pennington ->[cowboydren@yahoo.com] ranted: -> ->> Oh, and WTF is up with Opera? Does it still do implement that ->> cranial-rectal-inversion scheme where it demands that every browser ->> window be a daughter to an Opera mother window? Folks, I run four ->> pages, an average of eight browser sessions, and a half-dozen other ->X ->> applications. I have no time to screw around with an application ->> demanding that I interract with it a certain way. Browsers help ->*me* ->> do real work, not the other way around. I know, this is a feature ->> not a bug, but can we make this runtime-configurable for crying out ->> loud? -> ->Jon, -> ->You may be interested to take a look at: ->http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011113.html ->Maybe they do listen to what users want :) -> ->OK, it's windo$e, but word has it that Opera is working to get the ->next Linux version out ASAP with much the same features. -> ->Regards, ->Dave (Opera Loving) Barton -> ->--- ->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. ->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). ->Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 01.11.2001 -> -> ->-- ->To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the ->archives at http://lists.suse.com -> -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
--- Ben Rosenberg
In addition ..I would let you know Jon that Mozilla 0.9.5 has this tabbed feature as well :P
I haven't seen Oh-Nine-Five yet, but I was planning on playing with this a little tonight, too. It may come in handy, but I doubt it. ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com
You will like to know that today's build actually has options built in
to deal with child window tabs. You can actually control them. Pretty
damn cool. :) I see Konqueror doing this magically in the next few
months *grin*.
* Jon Pennington (cowboydren@yahoo.com) [011113 17:37]:
->--- Ben Rosenberg
On Tuesday 13 November 2001 08:36 pm, Jon Pennington wrote:
--- Ben Rosenberg
wrote: In addition ..I would let you know Jon that Mozilla 0.9.5 has this tabbed feature as well :P
I haven't seen Oh-Nine-Five yet, but I was planning on playing with this a little tonight, too. It may come in handy, but I doubt it.
If the tabs bother you, don't worry, you can choose which way to open a link, and a new instance of the program is the default. Opera's new beta on Windows seems to be giving a choice, perhaps the Linux version will too. I happen to think the tabbed bars are tolerable, but sometimes I *need* a second instance of the program running; and with a fast computer with lots of RAM and a decent OS I don't have the swapping worries that led Opera to this design. (It's one of the reasons that the Win3/9x versions of Opera need only 6 megs of RAM, unlike almost every other application on that platform.)
I installed Opera on a couple of computers at work. I think it was ver. 5.02. It managed to disable a homebrewed (not by me) Winbasic (I know this is not the right name, but I can't think of what it is) program that accessed an IBM AS-400 machine database and translated it into something user-friendly. It has not been possible to salvage this program, and the IT guys want to wipe my disk and start over! Not likely. I now have to live without this program that Opera screwed. And Opera claims that they do not access anything but the directory that they are installed in. Well, that's BS. If that were the case, you would not need to install it, you could just run the .exe file and it would work. It obviously puts something in the registry. And who knows what, elsewhere. Or what .dll's it screws with. On my home machine, when I try to start Eudora, Opera starts. It's too bad; Opera does offer some nice perks, but it's really defective. Maybe I'll try it in Linux again, but in Windows, it's not a good deal. At 12:08 11/13/2001 -0800, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
In addition ..I would let you know Jon that Mozilla 0.9.5 has this tabbed feature as well :P
* Dave Barton (bmcs@ozemail.com.au) [011113 04:14]: ->In the thread [SLE] Linux vs Windows Jon Pennington ->[cowboydren@yahoo.com] ranted: -> ->> Oh, and WTF is up with Opera? Does it still do implement that ->> cranial-rectal-inversion scheme where it demands that every browser ->> window be a daughter to an Opera mother window? Folks, I run four ->> pages, an average of eight browser sessions, and a half-dozen other ->X ->> applications. I have no time to screw around with an application ->> demanding that I interract with it a certain way. Browsers help ->*me* ->> do real work, not the other way around. I know, this is a feature ->> not a bug, but can we make this runtime-configurable for crying out ->> loud? -> ->Jon, -> ->You may be interested to take a look at: ->http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011113.html ->Maybe they do listen to what users want :) -> ->OK, it's windo$e, but word has it that Opera is working to get the ->next Linux version out ASAP with much the same features. -> ->Regards, ->Dave (Opera Loving) Barton -> ->--- ->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. ->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). ->Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 01.11.2001 -> -> ->-- ->To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com
->Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the ->archives at http://lists.suse.com ->
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In the thread [SLE] Linux vs Windows Jon Pennington [cowboydren@yahoo.com] ranted:
Yup, that'd be me. :)
You may be interested to take a look at: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011113.html Maybe they do listen to what users want :)
WOW. I installed Opera/Linux last night, just to do some on-the-fly comparisons between it and Konqueror, and I was not unduly impressed, but it's definitely a good browser. Once this SDI/MDI feature is implemented, I'll probably keep a copy on-hand from now on. As for my comparisons, I found that between Konqueror and Opera, there really isn't much difference in rendering capability. Opera seemed to handle flash-heavy sites (Anandtech and Tom's Hardware in particular) with a little more grace, but not much. Neither one can handle the DHTML Labs' HierMenu system (http://www.dhtml.com/), but that work is progressing. I was especially impressed with the fact that their deb package includes the files to put Opera on the Debian Menu. ;) ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com
--- michael norman
Does that mean you were quite impressed, or quite a lot impressed ?
Opera was impressive, but no more impressive than the Free Konqueror browser. ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com
On Wednesday 14 November 2001 07:09 pm, Jon Pennington wrote:
--- michael norman
wrote: Does that mean you were quite impressed, or quite a lot impressed ?
Opera was impressive, but no more impressive than the Free Konqueror browser.
It has a great linked list, but now that Mozilla has an option for tabs when you want to use them, Opera's less impressive - though if I was using old hardware like I was up to a few months ago I would be more impressed. Opera uses little resources. It's also a fast download. Once they get the Linux Netscape plug-in support ironed out that will be a great feature too. One of the big reasons not to use alternate-browsers under Linux seems to be their lack of support of plug-ins.
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Ben Rosenberg
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Dave Barton
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Doug McGarrett
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Jon Pennington
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Joshua Lee
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michael norman