I think I'd rather use rsync than iFolder...

Well I've actually used iFolder on a Windows workstation. Two workstations sync with the iFolder server on a Linux box, running Nterprise Linux Services. I haven't had a problem with that. But the new iFolder client on the novell forge site will allow syncs between two workstations and it does it within seconds. If it works iFolder would do a LOT better than rsync. With rsync you'd have to run it on each workstation and then in order to get immediate syncs you'd have to put it in cron (does cron do seconds? i think just minutes) so your update would be 1 minute behind. iFolder by default is set to sync within 5 seconds. If the new iFolder client works like what I have set it will be very sweet. I just wish they would get the install setup better. You need all the mono stuff, plus something called simias and another addressbook package. I don't know why they don't roll all that into one rpm. I guess they want you to use red-carpet, but I don't have that and I'm not sure I want it. BB

I've tried unison in meantime. Works fine, but i still think it's not the ideal situation. I want to be able to work on both machines at the time, so i think i need to setup a local imap mailserver, as my provider doesn't support the IMAP protocol... I will launch a new thread for this question, otherwhise it isn't for any use anymore for other persons. Thanks to all for the help ! Franky. On Thursday 25 November 2004 12:50, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:

Lenz Grimmer wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Franky Goethals wrote:

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I want to synchronize my mail (Kontakt) between my portable & my fixed PC, the way that they automatically synchronize in both ways, and i can work on both.

Any ideas how to do this ?

Take a look at unison, it's part of the SUSE distribution and actually described in the manual, too.

Which manuals coz it sure ain't in either of the User or Administration manuals for 9.0 and 9.2? To keep Pat happy :) even man unison, info unison and apropos unison returned nothing.

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Franky Goethals wrote:

Hi,

As a definitive solution to be able to work on 2 PC's at the time, i want to setup en IMAP mailserver.

If possible, i would like to have also the possibility to consult my mails somewere from a browser if i'm not at home.

Can somebody help me, tell me which one meets the best my requirements & also eventually how to do the setup with my normal internet provider, which doesn't offer IMAP ?

Thanks in advance & greets, Franky.

I'm having good results with the combination of Postfix, Fetchmail, Courier-IMAP and SquirrelMail. I used the High5 how-to (http://high5.net/howto/) to implement (and I use its PostfixAdmin). If you want webmail from the Internet, you need a domainname (unless you always know what IP-address your mail-machine has). Don't forget about security ! P.S. until 9.1 Suse did not compile MySQL into Postfix ! There are RPM's with it included, search this list. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Koenraad Lelong R&D Manager ACE electronics n.v.

On Friday 26 November 2004 09:25, Franky Goethals wrote:

As a definitive solution to be able to work on 2 PC's at the time, i want to setup en IMAP mailserver.

I'll echo Koenraad's solution - fetchmail, postfix and courier, although I add a few things. Mine looks like so: fetchmail --> postfix --> amavis ( --> back to postfix) --> procmail --> courier /etc/fetchmailrc: poll "pop.yourhost.com" protocol POP3 : user "franky" there with password "secret" is "franky" here; Postfix you can just setup with yast - add your smtp host, enable scanning with amavis, leave the rest as is. Then in your /etc/postfix/main.cf, change the following line so it look like this: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENTION" then, /etc/procmailrc DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ LOGFILE=/var/log/procmail.log VERBOSE=on This will make the mail go to the Maildir directory in each user's home directory (create the Maildirs if they are not already there). then do: touch /var/log/procmail.log chown root.users /var/log/procmail.log chmod g+w /var/log/procmail.log Edit /etc/amavis.conf to your liking - it is very well documented. I disable spam scanning in there and string it through procmail, but that's just a personal preference. If you use spam scanning through amavis, you have to use amavis' home directory for your spamassassin settings. /var/spool/amavis/.spamassassin/ is where the stuff happens. Note that the user is "vscan", and when you do stuff like sa-learn, do it as user vscan. Make sure you have clam, spamassassin and antivir installed. Setup a crontjob to update your virus definitions with freshclam and antivir --update. Install courier-imap and run you - there is a bug in the courier shipped with suse which prevents it from starting, you fixes this. Lastly, in /etc/skel directory, do mkdir -p Maildir/cur Maildir/tmp Maildir/new so that any new users would automatically have a maildir. That's pretty much it. Just make sure that all the relevant services are started. You can start courier-pop3 too if you like, but beware that using that will make mail disappear from the imap accounts onto the mail client. Squirremail is just as simple. Install apache2 and squirrelmail (let yast sort out the deps. It resides in: /srv/www/htdocs/squirrelmail In SUSE 9.1 I had to delete the /srv/www/htdocs/squirrelmail/config/config.php file as it seemed to be of an older version of squirrelmail and I had some odd things happening, and create a new one with the /srv/www/htdocs/squirrelmail/configure script. Again, fairly straight forward -just answer all the questions honestly :-) -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:44:27 +0100 (CET) Lenz Grimmer wrote: Good to see you back, Lenz, I've not seen you surface of late! Terence

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:20:06 +0100 Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

* Terence McCarthy; on 26 Nov, 2004 wrote:

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:44:27 +0100 (CET) Lenz Grimmer wrote:

Good to see you back, Lenz, I've not seen you surface of late!

Maybe he was down under :-)

The weather, or the world? Terence

Hi Roger, I don't succeed to setup the IMAP-server, and i cannot find any meaningfull documentation about the SUSE-IMAP... Can you help me doing the setup please ? Greets, Franky. On Friday 26 November 2004 15:10, James Knott wrote:

Franky Goethals wrote:

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Hi,

As a definitive solution to be able to work on 2 PC's at the time, i want to setup en IMAP mailserver.

If possible, i would like to have also the possibility to consult my mails somewere from a browser if i'm not at home.

Can somebody help me, tell me which one meets the best my requirements & also eventually how to do the setup with my normal internet provider, which doesn't offer IMAP ?

I used Yast, to install the package called "imap". There's not much to configure. I then created a user, with the same ID & password, as the mail accout, though it's not necessary to do so. Then I configured fetchmail, to download the incoming mail. The smtp settings aren't affected, but you probabley want to save the sent mail in an imap shared folder.

Works fine here.

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Hi James, I'm not able to find any documentation about how configuring the users,... The service is running, i can see it with your command. Greets, Franky. On Wednesday 01 December 2004 21:45, James Knott wrote:

Franky Goethals wrote:

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Hi Roger,

I don't succeed to setup the IMAP-server, and i cannot find any meaningfull documentation about the SUSE-IMAP...

There isn't much to set up for imap. It just runs, without configuration. Enter "ps aux|grep imap", to see if it's running.

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Franky Goethals wrote:

Hi James,

BTW, it's not necessary to send a copy to both the list and me. Send it to the list only please.

I thought SuSE didn't allow standard POP3 by default. What is IMAP going to give you different? BTW: If you ever checkout OpenWebMail I think you will prefer it to SquirrelMail. I like the look much better. -- <<JAV>>

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 07:31 pm, James Knott wrote:

Joe Polk wrote:

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I thought SuSE didn't allow standard POP3 by default. What is IMAP going to give you different?

The advantage with imap is when you've got multiple computers or mail clients. In pop, only the client that downloads it, has it available. With imap, the mail stays on the server, so that all clients can see all the messages.

But don't you then have to be connected to the server to get mail? e.g. using a laptop on the road where you don't have connectivity, can you still look at past (old) email? B-)

On Thursday 02 December 2004 08:34 am, David SMITH wrote:

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But don't you then have to be connected to the server to get mail?

Yes, but you can still configure your client to behave the same way as with POP (to download each message to the local machine and delete it from the server), but with IMAP, you have the choice of downloading it locally and deleting from the server, or leaving it on the server.

This begs the question: I use Kmail in 9.2. I've looked at Evolution and Thunderbird. The last time I looked at those (kmail included) non of them were able to leave a copy on the server and also delete off of server when deleted locally, NOT moved to different folder. e.g. I have a Saved folder that has subfolders for everything I want to keep. I use my inbox like a to-do list, as I get through emails, I either file them under Saved folder or trash them. I'd like a client that is able to distinguish the difference. So when I move from inbox to Saved, it will leave a copy on the server for my other clients, and when I delete or move to trash a message that it will take just that one off of the server. Do you know if any of these clients can do that yet? B_)

On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:32 am, James Knott wrote:

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This begs the question: I use Kmail in 9.2. I've looked at Evolution and Thunderbird.

The last time I looked at those (kmail included) non of them were able to leave a copy on the server and also delete off of server when deleted locally, NOT moved to different folder.

e.g. I have a Saved folder that has subfolders for everything I want to keep. I use my inbox like a to-do list, as I get through emails, I either file them under Saved folder or trash them. I'd like a client that is able to distinguish the difference. So when I move from inbox to Saved, it will leave a copy on the server for my other clients, and when I delete or move to trash a message that it will take just that one off of the server.

Do you know if any of these clients can do that yet?

I would think Thunderbird would. I use Mozilla and when a message is deleted off line, it is removed from the server, when run on line.

Yes, but it also considered "moved to saved" as deleted. e.g. Anything that was no longer in inbox was removed from the server. This would not work for me from the situation mentioned above. Does anyone know if this has gotten better? B-)

On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:28 am, James Knott wrote:

Did you save to a local or shared folder? As an experiment, while off line, I moved your message to a shared folder. When I reconnected, it was moved on the server as well.

hmm, ok, so I'm still thinking POP. Where sounds like IMAP would duplicate my folder structure on the server and keep in sync that way.. Cool! This might just work! B-)

Brad Bourn wrote:

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 07:31 pm, James Knott wrote:

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Joe Polk wrote:

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I thought SuSE didn't allow standard POP3 by default. What is IMAP going to give you different?

The advantage with imap is when you've got multiple computers or mail clients. In pop, only the client that downloads it, has it available. With imap, the mail stays on the server, so that all clients can see all the messages.

But don't you then have to be connected to the server to get mail?

e.g. using a laptop on the road where you don't have connectivity, can you still look at past (old) email?

You have to be connected to download mail, but some mail clients can work offline. With this, the messages are downloaded, while still connected. Then, when working offline, the messages can be read and out going mail is held, until reconnected.

Brad Bourn wrote:

On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:15 am, James Knott wrote:

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You have to be connected to download mail, but some mail clients can work offline. With this, the messages are downloaded, while still connected. Then, when working offline, the messages can be read and out going mail is held, until reconnected.

Do you know what clients can and can't? Also, asked more detailed client question in other response, don't want to double up.....

I use Mozilla. It works fine off line and removes deleted messages, when reconnected.

Joe Polk wrote:

So in effect, when you choose "leave copy on server" you are invoking IMAP?

Use involk IMAP, by using the IMAP port, instead of POP. In later versions of SuSE, you have to use IMAP via SSL.

Op donderdag 2 december 2004 18:43, schreef Joe Polk:

So in effect, when you choose "leave copy on server" you are invoking IMAP?

kmail has disconnected imap (dimap) functionality. It is like imap, but with an additional local copy (cache), for offline working. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

Hi Roger, I don't succeed to setup the IMAP-server, and i cannot find any meaningfull documentation about the SUSE-IMAP... Can you help me doing the setup please ? Greets, Franky. On Friday 26 November 2004 15:10, James Knott wrote:

Franky Goethals wrote:

...

Hi,

As a definitive solution to be able to work on 2 PC's at the time, i want to setup en IMAP mailserver.

If possible, i would like to have also the possibility to consult my mails somewere from a browser if i'm not at home.

Can somebody help me, tell me which one meets the best my requirements & also eventually how to do the setup with my normal internet provider, which doesn't offer IMAP ?

I used Yast, to install the package called "imap". There's not much to configure. I then created a user, with the same ID & password, as the mail accout, though it's not necessary to do so. Then I configured fetchmail, to download the incoming mail. The smtp settings aren't affected, but you probabley want to save the sent mail in an imap shared folder.

Works fine here.

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Hi Richard, That's another combination... and also quite difficult to implement as i read the article... I would like to try-out the normal imap-server, as described in the mail from Roger. IMAP + fetchmail + squirrelmail Simple things... i'm i little bit too new in this to take too complex solutions... Can somebody help me on this combination ? Greets, Franky. On Wednesday 01 December 2004 21:05, Richard Bos wrote:

Op woensdag 1 december 2004 20:46, schreef Franky Goethals:

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Hi Roger,

I don't succeed to setup the IMAP-server, and i cannot find any meaningfull documentation about the SUSE-IMAP...

Can you help me doing the setup please ?

http://high5.net/howto/

-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

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