On Saturday 09 December 2006 12:34, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2006/12/09 12:21 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:

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If I liked it better the way it was in RC1,

I already wrote about this here twice in less than 24 hours. :-p

I'm not seeing it. Could you tell me the Subject: header of the messages you're referring to?

Installed and updated from factory only: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/qt-gtk-fonts102f.png :-)

Installation from final released 10.2 DVD: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/qt-gtk-fonts102r.png :-(

This has nothing to do with GTK / Gnome, I'm seeing it just in the basic KDE components such as the toolbar, Konsole, the Control Center, etc. Wait a minute... Are YaST's components KDE / Qt or Gnome / GKT programs? They seem to also show the degradation. I suppose I could try to describe the changes I'm seeing. It appears that the basic letterforms are lighter in weight but the anti-aliasing is stronger. I suspect (but am not certain / do not know for a fact) that this is the result of anti-aliasing taking the place of proper hinting. In all my experience getting fonts under Linux just the way I like them, the hint interpreter is superior.

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how do I get it back? What changed?

Probably most of us want to know. Maybe with a couple dozen threads on the subject somebody with a solution may show up to share it.

Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Le samedi 9 décembre 2006 13:47, Michael Ayers a écrit :

Control Center-> Appearance & Themes-> Fonts-> Use anti-aliasing for fonts push the configure button-> enable Use sub-pixel hinting and for me Hinting style to Medium and my fonts are back to where they were with 10.1

That is just strange. Subpixel hinting has been switched off for openSUSE 10.2 at compile time, so there should be now way whatsoever to activate it at runtime. And it can not be the reason for different font rendering in 10.2RC1 and 10.2GM, because subpixel hinting was off in both versions. Well, I'm off to install 10.2 and see for myself :) -- Gruß Andreas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2006/12/09 13:15 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:

On Saturday 09 December 2006 12:34, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2006/12/09 12:21 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:

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If I liked it better the way it was in RC1,

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I already wrote about this here twice in less than 24 hours. :-p

I'm not seeing it. Could you tell me the Subject: header of the messages you're referring to?

http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-12/msg01124.html http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-12/msg01220.html

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Installed and updated from factory only: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/qt-gtk-fonts102f.png :-)

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Installation from final released 10.2 DVD: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/qt-gtk-fonts102r.png :-(

This has nothing to do with GTK / Gnome, I'm seeing it just in the basic KDE components such as the toolbar, Konsole, the Control Center, etc.

Wait a minute... Are YaST's components KDE / Qt or Gnome / GKT programs? They seem to also show the degradation.

I suppose I could try to describe the changes I'm seeing. It appears that the basic letterforms are lighter in weight but the anti-aliasing is stronger. I suspect (but am not certain / do not know for a fact) that this is the result of anti-aliasing taking the place of proper hinting. In all my experience getting fonts under Linux just the way I like them, the hint interpreter is superior.

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how do I get it back? What changed?

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Probably most of us want to know. Maybe with a couple dozen threads on the subject somebody with a solution may show up to share it.

I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227498 If the hinting default was set to something other than full this might not have been noticed by anyone understanding enough to file a bug about it. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2006-12-09 15:21, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 12/9/06, Felix Miata wrote:

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Installed and updated from factory only: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/qt-gtk-fonts102f.png :-)

Installation from final released 10.2 DVD: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/qt-gtk-fonts102r.png :-(

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but ... what's the difference? I

Look at the menu bar, in particular. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2006-12-09 15:42, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Peter,

On Saturday 09 December 2006 13:21, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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Are you kidding? It's huge!

He only looked at the title bars :-) -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org