[opensuse] legacy device support on modern motherboard and linux

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Istvan Gabor

25 Sep 2013 25 Sep '13

21:25

Hello: Most modern motherboards do not have serial, parallel, IDE, floppy, and even PCI ports. I guess there exist PCI-E expansion cards for serial, parallel, and IDE connection. The question is whether they are usable in linux. Will e.g. a serial card work in linux with my serial modem or other old device with serial port? The same question applies to parallel and IDE connections. Previously on this forum someone wrote that floppy PCI/PCI-E cards are not working in linux. Do USB floppy work? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Cristian Rodríguez

25 Sep 25 Sep

21:41

El 25/09/13 18:25, Istvan Gabor escribió:

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Hello:

Most modern motherboards do not have serial, parallel, IDE, floppy, and even PCI ports.

I guess there exist PCI-E expansion cards for serial, parallel, and IDE connection.

The question is whether they are usable in linux.

Will e.g. a serial card work in linux with my serial modem or other old device with serial port? The same question applies to parallel and IDE connections.

Previously on this forum someone wrote that floppy PCI/PCI-E cards are not working in linux. Do USB floppy work?

I have only used USB serial adapters and they do work just fine, USB floppy drives will probably also work. -- "If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in." - Edsger Dijkstra -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Robin Klitscher

21:53

On 26/09/13 09:41, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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El 25/09/13 18:25, Istvan Gabor escribió:

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Hello:

Most modern motherboards do not have serial, parallel, IDE, floppy, and even PCI ports.

I guess there exist PCI-E expansion cards for serial, parallel, and IDE connection.

The question is whether they are usable in linux.

Will e.g. a serial card work in linux with my serial modem or other old device with serial port? The same question applies to parallel and IDE connections.

Previously on this forum someone wrote that floppy PCI/PCI-E cards are not working in linux. Do USB floppy work?

I have only used USB serial adapters and they do work just fine, USB floppy drives will probably also work.

Indeed they do. I'm using a USB floppy right now - oS 12.3, 64-bit - in a modern machine with no intrinsic (or "internal") floppy drive. -- Robin K Wellington "Harbour City" New Zealand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

22:02

On 2013-09-25 18:41 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:

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I have only used USB serial adapters and they do work just fine

Work, agree. Just fine, debatable. I've read far more than once in recent years complaints from people who can't make their serial devices work via serial to USB adapters. I have plenty of serial ports but no serial devices matching such reports, so can't confirm any reports I've seen. Floppies on motherboard ports did still work last I checked. Mostly I only use floppies to boot DOS or dump minimal logs during failed installations. Bugs like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=773058 keep me hopeful support not requiring a USB interjection hasn't yet been lost. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

26 Sep 26 Sep

05:45

On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 06:02:04 PM Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2013-09-25 18:41 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:

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I have only used USB serial adapters and they do work just fine

Work, agree. Just fine, debatable. I've read far more than once in recent years complaints from people who can't make their serial devices work via serial to USB adapters. I have plenty of serial ports but no serial devices matching such reports, so can't confirm any reports I've seen.

For GPS where the PPP (pulse per second) signal should be used, I do not think USB works very well. It at all. If you are not using the GPS to accurately set your clock, then this may not be a concern. Otherwise, it is and USB does not work. Having said that, we have had success with devices from these guys (http://www.phidgets.com). The provide many interfaces via USB. Their drivers work on Linux. -- Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

01:12

Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Will e.g. a serial card work in linux with my serial modem or other old device with serial port? The same question applies to parallel and IDE connections.

I bought a USB serial port a few years ago, to connect to the console port on network and telecom equipment. It works fine with Linux. I haven't tried it with a modem though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

29 Sep 29 Sep

02:13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-09-25 at 21:12 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Will e.g. a serial card work in linux with my serial modem or other old device with serial port? The same question applies to parallel and IDE connections.

I bought a USB serial port a few years ago, to connect to the console port on network and telecom equipment. It works fine with Linux. I haven't tried it with a modem though.

It may work as long as you don't really need all the wires, or if you don't have strict timing constraints. Meaning: the serial port directly drives an IRQ cable, so the CPU atends it instantly, within an instruction or two. Via USB you have to wait till the device is polled. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJHjNAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WW0gCbB/jYv2/FR3p9EMNZBKTJZAkd 0/IAnR6Th2Stf8UOxgBSQpqMcYcal9Nx =el2V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

26 Sep 26 Sep

01:13

Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Do USB floppy work?

Forgot to mention. I have a USB floppy drive, which came with a ThinkPad I bought 11 years ago. It work with Linux too. But then again, who uses floppies these days. I threw away lots of them a few years ago. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

29 Sep 29 Sep

02:10

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-09-25 at 21:13 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Forgot to mention. I have a USB floppy drive, which came with a ThinkPad I bought 11 years ago. It work with Linux too. But then again, who uses floppies these days.

Those needing to recover old info. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJHi/4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VqpACgjV/36Xms26B/Hf4dd8PYFeKa HB0An0C2ej49wWV9BKQw5BGJ0FncdleU =OZ0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

11:56

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Those needing to recover old info.

That would have to be fairly old info and, given the poor long term reliability of floppies, possibly unrecoverable. Over the years I have tossed several floppies that had deteriorated so much that not only were they not readable, they couldn't even be formatted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

12:42

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 07:56 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Those needing to recover old info.

That would have to be fairly old info and, given the poor long term reliability of floppies, possibly unrecoverable. Over the years I have tossed several floppies that had deteriorated so much that not only were they not readable, they couldn't even be formatted.

I tried recovering backups made 10 years before, on 80 floppies, and there was only one error, which the software recovered. The floppies were old, but good quality. However, floppies bought later (dunno the year) failed a lot. Floppies made in the 80's do not fail easily. 80% of floppies made in the 21th century fail on first use. I have used floppies, not very recently, to take documents to some people. Nowdays I would perpahs use usb stick (if they are not disabled at the sites). However, the minimum size I can find for sticks is 8 GB. I can not find a 1GB stick for one use. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJIIBwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WcpwCcCktI8tbB2W2FGV7IgYunwTMJ ClEAn35ZI4K2daO/BUh6sb+BRed2hTTA =XR1/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

14:28

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3 (was: legacy device support on modern motherboard and linux

Carlos E. R. said the following on 09/29/2013 08:42 AM:

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I have used floppies, not very recently, to take documents to some people. Nowdays I would perpahs use usb stick (if they are not disabled at the sites). However, the minimum size I can find for sticks is 8 GB. I can not find a 1GB stick for one use.

I was composing a reply concerning the free USB sticks given out at trade shows and vendor presentations, and decided to check the size. So plugged one in to my 12.3 desktop and no popup appeared. NIX. various tools like 'lsusb' and 'udev-browse' show its there, but the most interesting this is that I get a line in the syslog saying Sep 29 10:18:56 MainBox mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 8: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-8" Sep 29 10:18:56 MainBox mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 8 was not an MTP device Now I have been using a usb port for my system mouse and the port that gives this response for attaching a camera. I also get nothing when I run # lsmod | grep usb so usbcore and usb_storage aren't there and modprobe of them doesn't put them there :-( I've googled to no avail but wonder if this us a Udisks2 problem or some udev rule that I've never noticed before. Is is this just a 'Sunday morning after a Saturday night' problem? -- If we allow untrustworthy root CA's to exist, the whole SSL-PKI concept is dead. -- Maarten van Hees, Sept 6th, 2011 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:53

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3 (was: legacy device support on modern motherboard and linux

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 10:28 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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So plugged one in to my 12.3 desktop and no popup appeared. NIX. various tools like 'lsusb' and 'udev-browse' show its there, but the most interesting this is that I get a line in the syslog saying

Sep 29 10:18:56 MainBox mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 8: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-8" Sep 29 10:18:56 MainBox mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 8 was not an MTP device

I got that error yesterday with my samsung camera. When connected, the camera pops a small menu asking something like "computer or printer?". If I answer "computer" then I get the entry on syslog about "not and MTP device", but non stop, in a cycle. Aparently the camera reports an MTP device, but something is wrong and fails. However, if I do nothing at the camera menu, then I do get the usb storage thing, and I can access the photo files. I would say you try other sticks. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJIPuIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WuzQCgl7EuP+87WBzclAfEHh0ioI2F 23gAoI3MO6kwskI44zs22DVha/B/HNBp =CbuF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

15:31

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Carlos E. R. said the following on 09/29/2013 10:53 AM:

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On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 10:28 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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I got that error yesterday with my samsung camera.

My Fuji camera 'works just fine'. I plug it in and turn it on and get a popup offering to download with gwewnview or digikam. Actually I ignore that and use gphotofs. YMMV. Not all cameras appear as mass storage devices. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_Transfer_Protocol In absolute terms cameras implement a comms protocol where as USB sticks *are* storage devices.

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I would say you try other sticks.

I just worked you half a dozen, different vendors. All the same. I also tried running 'usbview' and get an interesting message: Cannot open the file /proc/bus/usb/devices Verify you have USB compiled into your kernel have the USB core modules loaded, and have the usbdevfs file system mounted. As I mentioned, modprobe of usbcore and usb_storage don't seem to take. No errors, just that a subsequent lsmod shows they aren't there. I *DO* have a line in the /etc/fstabe for usbfs and /proc/bus/usb I'm wondering if this is a Udisk2 or a udev issue? -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrey Borzenkov

16:06

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

В Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:31:09 -0400 Anton Aylward пишет:

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Carlos E. R. said the following on 09/29/2013 10:53 AM:

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On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 10:28 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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I got that error yesterday with my samsung camera.

My Fuji camera 'works just fine'. I plug it in and turn it on and get a popup offering to download with gwewnview or digikam. Actually I ignore that and use gphotofs.

YMMV. Not all cameras appear as mass storage devices. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_Transfer_Protocol

In absolute terms cameras implement a comms protocol where as USB sticks *are* storage devices.

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I would say you try other sticks.

I just worked you half a dozen, different vendors. All the same.

I also tried running 'usbview' and get an interesting message:

Cannot open the file /proc/bus/usb/devices Verify you have USB compiled into your kernel have the USB core modules loaded, and have the usbdevfs file system mounted.

/proc/bus/usb was removed from kernel more than a year ago: commit fb28d58b72aa9215b26f1d5478462af394a4d253 Author: Greg Kroah-Hartman Date: Wed Apr 25 17:15:29 2012 -0700 USB: remove CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS This option has been deprecated for many years now, and no userspace tools use it anymore, so it should be safe to finally remove it.

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As I mentioned, modprobe of usbcore and usb_storage don't seem to take. No errors, just that a subsequent lsmod shows they aren't there.

usbcore is built-in on 12.3. What is your exact command line for usb-storage?

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I *DO* have a line in the /etc/fstabe for usbfs and /proc/bus/usb

I'm wondering if this is a Udisk2 or a udev issue?

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Anton Aylward

16:58

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/29/2013 12:06 PM:

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/proc/bus/usb was removed from kernel more than a year ago:

commit fb28d58b72aa9215b26f1d5478462af394a4d253 Author: Greg Kroah-Hartman Date: Wed Apr 25 17:15:29 2012 -0700

USB: remove CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS

This option has been deprecated for many years now, and no userspace tools use it anymore, so it should be safe to finally remove it.

Well! zypper info usbview tells me Information for package usbview: -------------------------------- Repository: openSUSE-12.3 OSS Name: usbview Version: 1.1-14.1.2 Arch: i586 Vendor: openSUSE Installed: Yes Status: up-to-date Installed Size: 580.2 KiB Summary: USB Topology and Device Viewer Description: USBView is a GTK program that displays the topography of the devices that are plugged into the USB on a Linux machine. It also displays information on each of the devices. This can be useful to determine if a device is working properly. So why was that in the 12.3 distribution?

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As I mentioned, modprobe of usbcore and usb_storage don't seem to take. No errors, just that a subsequent lsmod shows they aren't there.

usbcore is built-in on 12.3. What is your exact command line for usb-storage?

# cd / # modprobe usb-storage # echo $? 0 # find /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/ -name '*usb-storage*' \ -print /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko # modprobe usb-common # echo $? 0 # lsmod | grep usb #

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I *DO* have a line in the /etc/fstab for usbfs and /proc/bus/usb

Am I supposed to remove that? It came with the 12.3 install

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I'm wondering if this is a Udisk2 or a udev issue?

-- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

17:10

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58:46PM -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/29/2013 12:06 PM:

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/proc/bus/usb was removed from kernel more than a year ago:

commit fb28d58b72aa9215b26f1d5478462af394a4d253 Author: Greg Kroah-Hartman Date: Wed Apr 25 17:15:29 2012 -0700

USB: remove CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS

This option has been deprecated for many years now, and no userspace tools use it anymore, so it should be safe to finally remove it.

Well! zypper info usbview tells me

Information for package usbview: -------------------------------- Repository: openSUSE-12.3 OSS Name: usbview Version: 1.1-14.1.2 Arch: i586 Vendor: openSUSE Installed: Yes Status: up-to-date Installed Size: 580.2 KiB Summary: USB Topology and Device Viewer Description: USBView is a GTK program that displays the topography of the devices that are plugged into the USB on a Linux machine. It also displays information on each of the devices. This can be useful to determine if a device is working properly.

So why was that in the 12.3 distribution?

It uses the /sys device tree I guess.

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As I mentioned, modprobe of usbcore and usb_storage don't seem to take. No errors, just that a subsequent lsmod shows they aren't there.

usbcore is built-in on 12.3. What is your exact command line for usb-storage?

# cd / # modprobe usb-storage # echo $? 0 # find /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/ -name '*usb-storage*' \ -print /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko # modprobe usb-common # echo $? 0 # lsmod | grep usb

The -desktop flavour has the built in and not as modules.

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I *DO* have a line in the /etc/fstab for usbfs and /proc/bus/usb

Am I supposed to remove that? It came with the 12.3 install

This entry is not relevant to usb massstorage. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

19:48

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Marcus Meissner said the following on 09/29/2013 01:10 PM:

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On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58:46PM -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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So why was that in the 12.3 distribution?

It uses the /sys device tree I guess.

I'm sorry? What does? usbview doesn't, as the error message made clear, it uses /proc/bus/usb/devices If it used /sys then why would it error and give that message and display no tree/ Check the man page. There are no cmmand line over-rides. ... or do you mean the 12.3 build ... no that doens't make sense.

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As I mentioned, modprobe of usbcore and usb_storage don't seem to take. No errors, just that a subsequent lsmod shows they aren't there.

usbcore is built-in on 12.3. What is your exact command line for usb-storage?

# cd / # modprobe usb-storage # echo $? 0 # find /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/ -name '*usb-storage*' \ -print /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko # modprobe usb-common # echo $? 0 # lsmod | grep usb

The -desktop flavour has the built in and not as modules.

So I should be using 'default'? If it is built in then why can't I see any usb storage devices when I connect them? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

22:29

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Anton Aylward said the following on 09/29/2013 03:48 PM:

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The -desktop flavour has the built in and not as modules.

So I should be using 'default'?

Well I reboot in 'default' ... and find, with no action on my part, $ lsmod | grep usb usbhid 51669 0 hid 86116 2 hid_generic,usbhid usbcore 200347 3 usbhid,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd usb_common 12526 1 usbcore that's with 3.7.10-1.16-default

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If it is built in then why can't I see any usb storage devices when I connect them?

However when i plug in a usb stick I still don't see anything with the notifier. Syslog reports in /var/log/messages Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox kernel: [ 620.320056] usb 1-8: new high-speed USB device number 8 using ehci_hcd Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox kernel: [ 620.459393] usb 1-8: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387 Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox kernel: [ 620.459399] usb 1-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox kernel: [ 620.459403] usb 1-8: Product: Mass Storage Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox kernel: [ 620.459406] usb 1-8: Manufacturer: Generic Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox kernel: [ 620.459409] usb 1-8: SerialNumber: 986D9FD4 Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 8: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-8" Sep 29 17:28:49 MainBox mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 8 was not an MTP device Oh and there is no usbfs in /proc/filesystems. So what's supposed to be in the kernel? There certainly isn't a usb entry in /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-default/kernel/fs so where does the usbfs come from? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrey Borzenkov

18:15

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

В Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:58:46 -0400 Anton Aylward пишет:

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zypper info usbview tells me

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So why was that in the 12.3 distribution?

Because nobody noticed it so far? I doubt it is something that is used very often.

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# cd / # modprobe usb-storage # echo $? 0 # find /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/ -name '*usb-storage*' \ -print /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko # modprobe usb-common # echo $? 0 # lsmod | grep usb #

Do you have anything in dmesg? bor@opensuse:~> lsmod | grep usb usb_storage 57401 0 btusb 23871 0 bluetooth 341895 11 rfcomm,bnep,btusb bor@opensuse:~>

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I *DO* have a line in the /etc/fstab for usbfs and /proc/bus/usb

Am I supposed to remove that?

It is marked as noauto anyway (at least here) so I suppose it does not matter. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

20:06

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/29/2013 02:15 PM:

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В Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:58:46 -0400 Anton Aylward пишет:

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zypper info usbview tells me

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So why was that in the 12.3 distribution?

Because nobody noticed it so far? I doubt it is something that is used very often.

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# cd / # modprobe usb-storage # echo $? 0 # find /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/ -name '*usb-storage*' \ -print /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko # modprobe usb-common # echo $? 0 # lsmod | grep usb #

Do you have anything in dmesg?

Lots of things like this as I try inserting various devices [ 4247.882028] usb 1-8: new high-speed USB device number 9 using ehci_hcd [ 4248.004382] usb 1-8: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387 [ 4248.004388] usb 1-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 4248.004391] usb 1-8: Product: Mass Storage [ 4248.004394] usb 1-8: Manufacturer: Generic [ 4248.004397] usb 1-8: SerialNumber: 986D9FD4 Or do you mean when I do the modprobe? As I said earlier, doing a modprobe for the usb items doens't seem to add to the list of loaded modules. It also doens't result in anything as far as the syslogs show. I note that this: modprobe -l shows what's availabe modprobe -l usb* kernel/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/usb8xxx.ko kernel/drivers/net/usb/usbnet.ko kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko kernel/drivers/usb/misc/usblcd.ko kernel/drivers/usb/misc/usbled.ko kernel/drivers/usb/misc/usbsevseg.ko kernel/drivers/usb/mon/usbmon.ko kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko kernel/drivers/usb/class/usbtmc.ko kernel/drivers/usb/serial/usbserial.ko kernel/drivers/usb/serial/usb_debug.ko kernel/drivers/usb/serial/usb_wwan.ko kernel/drivers/usb/atm/usbatm.ko kernel/drivers/input/touchscreen/usbtouchscreen.ko kernel/drivers/media/usb/usbvision/usbvision.ko kernel/drivers/isdn/gigaset/usb_gigaset.ko kernel/drivers/staging/usbip/usbip-core.ko kernel/drivers/staging/usbip/usbip-host.ko And while usbmon *WILL* load, usb-storage won't I don't know about the others. None of this seems to be getting me to the point where I can insert a usb stick and access it. *sigh*

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bor@opensuse:~> lsmod | grep usb usb_storage 57401 0 btusb 23871 0 bluetooth 341895 11 rfcomm,bnep,btusb bor@opensuse:~>

Interesting that; nothing seems to use or depend on usb_storage -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrey Borzenkov

30 Sep 30 Sep

02:17

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

В Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:06:05 -0400 Anton Aylward пишет:

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# cd / # modprobe usb-storage # echo $? 0 # find /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/ -name '*usb-storage*' \ -print /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko # modprobe usb-common # echo $? 0 # lsmod | grep usb #

Do you have anything in dmesg?

Lots of things like this as I try inserting various devices

[ 4247.882028] usb 1-8: new high-speed USB device number 9 using ehci_hcd [ 4248.004382] usb 1-8: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387 [ 4248.004388] usb 1-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 4248.004391] usb 1-8: Product: Mass Storage [ 4248.004394] usb 1-8: Manufacturer: Generic [ 4248.004397] usb 1-8: SerialNumber: 986D9FD4

Or do you mean when I do the modprobe?

Yes, when you use modprobe: [174437.785824] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [174437.785902] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [174437.785904] USB Mass Storage support registered.

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bor@opensuse:~> lsmod | grep usb usb_storage 57401 0 btusb 23871 0 bluetooth 341895 11 rfcomm,bnep,btusb bor@opensuse:~>

Interesting that; nothing seems to use or depend on usb_storage

I just loaded it, I do not have any USB stick inserted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

12:14

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/29/2013 10:17 PM:

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Or do you mean when I do the modprobe?

Yes, when you use modprobe:

[174437.785824] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [174437.785902] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [174437.785904] USB Mass Storage support registered.

I certainly don't get that with -desktop! Allthough modprobe returns, a i pointed out earlier, 0, ther seems no actual action; nothing in the log files and noting reported by Once again, I get MainBox:/var/log # modprobe usb-storage MainBox:/var/log # echo $? 0 MainBox:/var/log # with nothing reported in the system logs and usb-storage not reorted present by 'lsmod'. In fact 'lsmod|grep usb' shows nothing. and on device insertion I get Sep 30 07:53:43 MainBox kernel: [ 983.803737] usb 1-8: USB disconnect, device number 6 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.130036] usb 1-8: new high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci_hcd Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252449] usb 1-8: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252455] usb 1-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252458] usb 1-8: Product: Mass Storage Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252461] usb 1-8: Manufacturer: Generic Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252464] usb 1-8: SerialNumber: 986D9FD4 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 7: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-8" Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP device I do know USB works. I've been downloading from my camera using digikam and gphotofs. Once again, this is 12.3 with 3.7.10-1.16-desktop -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

12:26

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 08:14:02AM -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/29/2013 10:17 PM:

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Or do you mean when I do the modprobe?

Yes, when you use modprobe:

[174437.785824] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [174437.785902] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [174437.785904] USB Mass Storage support registered.

I certainly don't get that with -desktop! Allthough modprobe returns, a i pointed out earlier, 0, ther seems no actual action; nothing in the log files and noting reported by

Once again, I get

MainBox:/var/log # modprobe usb-storage MainBox:/var/log # echo $? 0 MainBox:/var/log #

with nothing reported in the system logs and usb-storage not reorted present by 'lsmod'. In fact 'lsmod|grep usb' shows nothing.

and on device insertion I get

Sep 30 07:53:43 MainBox kernel: [ 983.803737] usb 1-8: USB disconnect, device number 6 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.130036] usb 1-8: new high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci_hcd Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252449] usb 1-8: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252455] usb 1-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252458] usb 1-8: Product: Mass Storage Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252461] usb 1-8: Manufacturer: Generic Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252464] usb 1-8: SerialNumber: 986D9FD4 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 7: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-8" Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP device

I do know USB works. I've been downloading from my camera using digikam and gphotofs.

Once again, this is 12.3 with 3.7.10-1.16-desktop

I think your device is just not detected as mass storage device. can you run "lsusb -v" with your device attached and post the device part here? Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

13:54

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Marcus Meissner said the following on 09/30/2013 08:26 AM:

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On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 08:14:02AM -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 7: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-8" Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP device

I do know USB works. I've been downloading from my camera using digikam and gphotofs.

Once again, this is 12.3 with 3.7.10-1.16-desktop

I think your device is just not detected as mass storage device.

can you run "lsusb -v" with your device attached and post the device part here?

It could also be that the udev rules aren't 'chainng' and the MTP fail is early in the queue and its fail stops the testing of other things. Or perhaps since usb_storage isn't loaded, its not POSSIBLE to recognize a styoarage devie! Anywqy, lsusb produces a vast emount of informatiob, but the part you might be interested is the part about the storage device and yes its there in the lisitng and as I said earlier, the logs show

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Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.130036] usb 1-8: new high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci_hcd Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252449] usb 1-8: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252455] usb 1-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252458] usb 1-8: Product: Mass Storage Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252461] usb 1-8: Manufacturer: Generic Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252464] usb 1-8: SerialNumber: 986D9FD4

Note that is deos see the string 'Mass Storage' and it is seen with ehci_hcd Here's the part of the lsusb -v listing relevant for the device Bus 001 Device 008: ID 058f:6387 Alcor Micro Corp. Flash Drive Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x058f Alcor Micro Corp. idProduct 0x6387 Flash Drive bcdDevice 1.0b iManufacturer 1 Generic iProduct 2 Mass Storage iSerial 3 986D9FD4 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 32 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x80 (Bus Powered) MaxPower 200mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Along side that, just to make the point, I am using a USB mouse, and that is reported too: Bus 002 Device 006: ID 046d:c01d Logitech, Inc. MX510 Optical Mouse Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x046d Logitech, Inc. idProduct 0xc01d MX510 Optical Mouse [....] So this issue isn't with the usb hardware. I know a little about systemd and virtually nothing about udev and usdisks. Marcus, when you reply to the list, please don't bother cc'ing me since I do subscribe to the list :-) -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrey Borzenkov

16:08

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

В Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:26:02 +0200 Marcus Meissner пишет:

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On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 08:14:02AM -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/29/2013 10:17 PM:

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Or do you mean when I do the modprobe?

Yes, when you use modprobe:

[174437.785824] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [174437.785902] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [174437.785904] USB Mass Storage support registered.

I certainly don't get that with -desktop! Allthough modprobe returns, a i pointed out earlier, 0, ther seems no actual action; nothing in the log files and noting reported by

Once again, I get

MainBox:/var/log # modprobe usb-storage MainBox:/var/log # echo $? 0 MainBox:/var/log #

with nothing reported in the system logs and usb-storage not reorted present by 'lsmod'. In fact 'lsmod|grep usb' shows nothing.

and on device insertion I get

Sep 30 07:53:43 MainBox kernel: [ 983.803737] usb 1-8: USB disconnect, device number 6 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.130036] usb 1-8: new high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci_hcd Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252449] usb 1-8: New USB device found, idVendor=058f, idProduct=6387 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252455] usb 1-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252458] usb 1-8: Product: Mass Storage Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252461] usb 1-8: Manufacturer: Generic Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox kernel: [ 988.252464] usb 1-8: SerialNumber: 986D9FD4 Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 7: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-8" Sep 30 07:53:47 MainBox mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP device

I do know USB works. I've been downloading from my camera using digikam and gphotofs.

Once again, this is 12.3 with 3.7.10-1.16-desktop

I think your device is just not detected as mass storage device.

The real question is - why usb-storage is not present in module list after being apparently successfully loaded.

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can you run "lsusb -v" with your device attached and post the device part here?

Ciao, Marcus

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Anton Aylward

16:41

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/30/2013 12:08 PM:

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The real question is - why usb-storage is not present in module list after being apparently successfully loaded.

+ 2^57,885,161 − 1 ... and why there is no /proc/bus/usb Ah, wait. Remember I was compaling about usbview? Wellthere's this http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-bugs/2013-03/msg00640.html Note the date: 5 Mar 2013 So lets hope this appears in 13.1 And anyway, there is /sys/bus/usb and ther are /devices and ... ls -R .: devices drivers drivers_autoprobe drivers_probe uevent ./devices: 1-0:1.0 2-0:1.0 2-2 2-2:1.0 usb1 usb2 ./drivers: hub usb usbfs usbhid ./drivers/hub: 1-0:1.0 2-0:1.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind ./drivers/usb: 2-2 bind uevent unbind usb1 usb2 ./drivers/usbfs: bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind ./drivers/usbhid: 2-2:1.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind Which makes me wonder, since its beyond my understnading right now. Can anyone add enlightenment? If its there in /sys/modules why isn't it shown by lsmod? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

2 Oct 2 Oct

02:15

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

I'm not sure this is 'solved' but it is progress and perhaps someone can make sense of what's going on. I'm running 3.7.10-1.16-default #1 SMP Fri May 31 20:21:23 UTC 2013 (97c14ba) i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux and if I run $ sudo modprobe -v usb-storage I get install /bin/true I don't have a clue what that means. But if I run $ sudo insmod /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.16-default/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko The POW! a popup happens much as I'd expect. I see # lsmod| grep usb usb_storage 47841 0 usbhid 51669 0 hid 86116 2 hid_generic,usbhid usbcore 200347 4 usb_storage,usbhid,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd usb_common 12526 1 usbcore which is what I expect. I'm in KDE using an xterm and su as soon as I did the insmod the popup device notifier came up and showed the thumb drive I had plugged in since boot. POW-ZOW-WOW! Now it remains to be seen (in the morning) whether attaching the camera works. The 'install /bin/true' comes from /etc/modprobe.d/99-local.conf a line that read install usb_storage /bin/true I see in 'modprobe.conf(5)' <quote> install modulename command... This command instructs modprobe to run your command instead of inserting the module in the kernel as normal. </quote> So that explains why 'modprobe usb-storage' was returning $?==0 But how did it get there? It came from suse-module-tools-12.3-2.1.1.noarch But this begs the question, why is it there? Can any module-gurus tell me is there likely to be any nasty effects if I simply comment out that line? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrey Borzenkov

02:43

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

В Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:15:02 -0400 Anton Aylward пишет:

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$ sudo modprobe -v usb-storage

I get

install /bin/true

Oh! I almost forgot about this obsolete trick ...

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The 'install /bin/true' comes from /etc/modprobe.d/99-local.conf

This file is empty here. I do not know what added it.

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Can any module-gurus tell me is there likely to be any nasty effects if I simply comment out that line?

You will get usb-storage loaded when required. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

30 Sep 30 Sep

02:35

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

El 29/09/13 12:31, Anton Aylward escribió:

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I *DO* have a line in the /etc/fstabe for usbfs and /proc/bus/usb

Something wrote outdated requirements into /etc/fstab, probably an old installer, factory or 13.1 has been fixed though and user's fstab will be updated if the he/she upgrades using DVD, unfortunately this does not apply if you upgrade with zypper dup. -- "If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in." - Edsger Dijkstra -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

12:26

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Cristian Rodríguez said the following on 09/29/2013 10:35 PM:

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El 29/09/13 12:31, Anton Aylward escribió:

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I *DO* have a line in the /etc/fstabe for usbfs and /proc/bus/usb

Something wrote outdated requirements into /etc/fstab, probably an old installer, factory or 13.1 has been fixed though and user's fstab will be updated if the he/she upgrades using DVD, unfortunately this does not apply if you upgrade with zypper dup.

OUCH! I've been upgrading with the 'dup' and reset of repositories for a while now. Are you suggesting that I simply remove that line? 3.7.10-1.16-desktop and systemd-195-13.40.1.i586 usbview-1.1-14.1.2.i586 udev-195-13.40.1.i586 libudev0-182-3.1.1.i586 kernel-default-3.7.10-1.16.1.i586 libudisks2-0-2.0.0-5.4.1.i586 kernel-desktop-3.7.10-1.16.1.i686 libusb-0_1-4-0.1.13-23.1.1.i586 libusbmuxd2-1.0.8-5.5.1.i586 udisks2-2.0.0-5.4.1.i586 libusb-1_0-0-1.0.9-5.1.1.i586 libudev1-195-13.40.1.i586 udev-browse-0.3-2.1.1.i586 usbmuxd-1.0.8-5.5.1.i586 usbutils-006-2.1.1.i586 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

14:50

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

El 30/09/13 09:26, Anton Aylward escribió:

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Are you suggesting that I simply remove that line? 3.7.10-1.16-desktop

Yes, remove all lines that do not correspond to your local or remote filesystems as well. /proc, /sys, /dev, debugfs etc can all go.. those are part of the hardcoded, mandatory systemd mount table [http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/mount-setup.c#n71] -- "If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in." - Edsger Dijkstra -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

16:24

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

Cristian Rodríguez said the following on 09/30/2013 10:50 AM:

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El 30/09/13 09:26, Anton Aylward escribió:

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Are you suggesting that I simply remove that line? 3.7.10-1.16-desktop

Yes, remove all lines that do not correspond to your local or remote filesystems as well. /proc, /sys, /dev, debugfs etc can all go.. those are part of the hardcoded, mandatory systemd mount table [http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/mount-setup.c#n71]

OK, done, but will this somehow make my usb sticks available? Its frustrating as I need to write to to a usb stick for a variety of reasons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

16:52

New subject: [opensuse] No usb automount in 12.3

El 30/09/13 13:24, Anton Aylward escribió:

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OK, done, but will this somehow make my usb sticks available?

No, what you are seeing is a different problem. -- "If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in." - Edsger Dijkstra -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

29 Sep 29 Sep

14:41

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I have used floppies, not very recently, to take documents to some people. Nowdays I would perpahs use usb stick (if they are not disabled at the sites). However, the minimum size I can find for sticks is 8 GB. I can not find a 1GB stick for one use.

I recently received a 64 MB!!! USB stick. It came with a new cable modem. This is the smallest one I've ever owned. My first, which I bought 11-12 years ago, was 128 MB. I currently keep an 8 GB one on my key ring. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:57

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 10:41 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I have used floppies, not very recently, to take documents to some people. Nowdays I would perpahs use usb stick (if they are not disabled at the sites). However, the minimum size I can find for sticks is 8 GB. I can not find a 1GB stick for one use.

I recently received a 64 MB!!! USB stick. It came with a new cable modem. This is the smallest one I've ever owned. My first, which I bought 11-12 years ago, was 128 MB. I currently keep an 8 GB one on my key ring.

Wow. The 1 GiB size would be useful; for instance, to hold CD sized live system (Linux or not). If I want to boot the openSUSE "CD" I have to use an 8 GB stick! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJIP/YACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UTWwCfZd4s2wb9RuKSBkXpNJmCRslK 0kkAnRTpJLggaR8n0quyOQNRP1N8FXqh =zznx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

16:20

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The 1 GiB size would be useful; for instance, to hold CD sized live system (Linux or not). If I want to boot the openSUSE "CD" I have to use an 8 GB stick!

Given the price of them, why worry about the "wasted" space. Just buy the smallest you can find. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

16:30

Le 29/09/2013 18:20, James Knott a écrit :

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The 1 GiB size would be useful; for instance, to hold CD sized live system (Linux or not). If I want to boot the openSUSE "CD" I have to use an 8 GB stick!

Given the price of them, why worry about the "wasted" space. Just buy the smallest you can find.

the problem is more "how to label them" :-) I use http://www.setin.fr/upload/image/-p-image-39133-grande.jpg :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

16:51

jdd wrote:

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the problem is more "how to label them" :-)

I use

http://www.setin.fr/upload/image/-p-image-39133-grande.jpg

I have some of those, but I use them for other purposes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

30 Sep 30 Sep

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 18:30 +0200, jdd wrote:

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Le 29/09/2013 18:20, James Knott a écrit :

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The 1 GiB size would be useful; for instance, to hold CD sized live system (Linux or not). If I want to boot the openSUSE "CD" I have to use an 8 GB stick!

Given the price of them, why worry about the "wasted" space. Just buy the smallest you can find.

which is 8 GB, at 7 euros.

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the problem is more "how to label them" :-)

I use

http://www.setin.fr/upload/image/-p-image-39133-grande.jpg

I use card-paper labels tied with a string. I bought about 100. The labeled stick take less space than yours when stored on boxes. I also use those labels for cables. I have a lot of adaptor cables from usb to some device, transformers, etc... I no longer remember what cable is for what. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJIvzQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UNiACfV+gbsg3Bp9Cg12+OuvSiL2rz 3CgAoIgNzjoZycensvbLgwxdHRC+FpkC =Jy4Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Doug

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the problem is more "how to label them" :-)

I think you guys may be in Europe, so I don't know just what's available there, but here in the US, you can buy Avery labels in various shapes and sizes, or a sheet without perforations so you can cut your own. The Avery labels are used to print mailing labels which can be stuck to envelopes with their own sticky stuff. I cut a piece of the label to fit on the flash drive. The smarter folks will write on it _before_ removing it from the backing paper, but I usually forget. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 21:49 -0400, Doug wrote:

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the problem is more "how to label them" :-)

I think you guys may be in Europe,

Yep. Me, in Spain. jdd in France, IIRC. James probably in the USA (I guess).

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so I don't know just what's available there, but here in the US, you can buy Avery labels in various shapes and sizes, or a sheet without perforations so you can cut your own.

I know them. I still have somewhere a box of continous folded paper, perforated on the sides for printers. And other sticky labels for laser printers from other local brand.

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The Avery labels are used to print mailing labels which can be stuck to envelopes with their own sticky stuff. I cut a piece of the label to fit on the flash drive. The smarter folks will write on it _before_ removing it from the backing paper, but I usually forget.

:-) Dos not work very well with fashionable devices, made with curves :-) Some times I write numbers or letters on the bright white metal of the plug. Very little space, but suffices sometimes. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJI3XMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XQzwCfd15ZoGlbfqxBDIy19a9UeW1p Cm8An1wjXJhq639fV86RmWPPVKDKeZ/y =/MgR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

listreader

03:27

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:09:55 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On Sunday, 2013-09-29 at 21:49 -0400, Doug wrote:

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the problem is more "how to label them" :-)

Dos not work very well with fashionable devices, made with curves :-)

Carlos: Here ya go. 1GB as requested. And at the same time would seem to solve your 'how to attach a label' quandary. And very fashionable ;-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1GB-1G-Wood-Clamps-Case-USB-2-0-Flash-Memory-Drive-Storage-Thumb-Design-HK-/360599909351?pt=US_USB_Flash_Drives&hash=item53f56df3e7 Actually, the more normal design 1GBs seem to run about US$37 per 10 pcs (~30 euros?), maybe less, which seems reasonable. Cheers. Ralph -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

06:24

Le 30/09/2013 05:27, listreader a écrit :

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Here ya go. 1GB as requested. And at the same time would seem to solve your 'how to attach a label' quandary. And very fashionable ;-)

don't forget one can brake the case and keep only the innert cicuit, that can be glued on any support that fits your needs. the circuit is always very small and sturdy. the support can be long but do not make it too large, because usb ports are often several and very near :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10:31

New subject: [opensuse] 1 GB sticks and labels [Was: legacy device support on modern motherboard and linux]

On 2013-09-30 05:27, listreader wrote:

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On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:09:55 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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Dos not work very well with fashionable devices, made with curves :-)

Carlos:

Here ya go. 1GB as requested. And at the same time would seem to solve your 'how to attach a label' quandary. And very fashionable ;-)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1GB-1G-Wood-Clamps-Case-USB-2-0-Flash-Memory-Drive-Storage-Thumb-Design-HK-/360599909351?pt=US_USB_Flash_Drives&hash=item53f56df3e7

Actually, the more normal design 1GBs seem to run about US$37 per 10 pcs (~30 euros?), maybe less, which seems reasonable.

ROTFL! X'-) Here, they have more "serious" units of 2 GB.

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http://www.alternate.es/html/product/listing.html?navId=1634&navId=13946&tk=7&lk=7097&size=500&sort=COLUMN1#listingResult

But 5.49€ (plus packing and post), compared to 7€ locally for 8 GB does not make much economical sense. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Roger Oberholtzer

26 Sep 26 Sep

05:40

On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:25:59 PM Istvan Gabor wrote:

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Hello:

Most modern motherboards do not have serial, parallel, IDE, floppy, and even PCI ports.

I guess there exist PCI-E expansion cards for serial, parallel, and IDE connection.

The question is whether they are usable in linux.

Will e.g. a serial card work in linux with my serial modem or other old device with serial port? The same question applies to parallel and IDE connections.

We use serial cards for GPS receivers. They work fine in Linux. I can investigate the exact model we use if needed. -- Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Istvan Gabor

27 Sep 27 Sep

16:24

2013. szeptember 25. 23:25 napon Istvan Gabor írta:

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Most modern motherboards do not have serial, parallel, IDE, floppy, and even PCI ports.

I guess there exist PCI-E expansion cards for serial, parallel, and IDE connection.

The question is whether they are usable in linux.

Will e.g. a serial card work in linux with my serial modem or other old device with serial port? The same question applies to parallel and IDE connections.

Previously on this forum someone wrote that floppy PCI/PCI-E cards are not working in linux. Do USB floppy work?

Thank you all for your responses. I am glad to hear the mentioned legacy devices work in new systems. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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