On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:27:17 AM John M Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 08:16:19 PM jdd wrote:

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Le 17/09/2013 20:10, Richard a écrit :

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Thanks for your attention and any assistance.

is this a desktop? if yes, try installing 12.3 from scratch or try a live cd

upgrading 11.4 to 12.3 is a thing I don't want to do

jdd

Upgrading from 11.4 to 12.3 worked PERFECTLY for me on two different machines. I mean everything came across and was working as expected.

The only thing is that it ignored lock on one package (Unison) that I have to run a back-level version to sync with another server.

Fear not. It works.

However, upgrading simply because of a problem with an XServer seems like swatting flys with a sledgehammer.

You are certainly right, and I have been a sledgehammer type guy in the past, since I only knew sledgehammer skills. And this did work, at least to get a working IceWM. Just did not smash the user plasma issue. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 02:42:35 PM Anton Aylward wrote:

Richard said the following on 09/17/2013 02:10 PM:

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Caveat: I am not a programmer and will likely not understand programmer- speak. Recently, running 11.4, happily for quite some time I might add, the login failed and I could not re-start it. Switched to another terminal but found nothing useful to me. Using startx in another terminal the return message said to remove the /tmp/.X0-lock file and try again, which I did, to no happiness. Not wanting to venture too far into areas I do not know or understand, I decided to upgrade to 12.3 with the thought that that might fix things along the way. Has not.

I now see messages suggesting issues with plastic(?) and fatal errors. I have, however, been able to log in and work using the IceWM. I also tried adding many files for Gnome to see if that would become an available WM. Only got an error message for that.

Would like to get back to KDE, but would not be against a Gnome experience. Is there something simple I am missing (almost certainly so)? I will try to write down more of error messages as I assume someome will want that.

Thanks for your attention and any assistance.

There is a good likelihood that the ~/.kde is ... pardon the programmer speak for a moment .... screwed up.

The simplest way to test this is to use the command line (switch to another terminal and log in as root) to create another new account with a different name, the go back to the GUI login with that new ID.

My 'emergency' WM is xfce4. Yes, it uses a lot of the Gnome libraries and utilities, but it also means I don't have to put up with Gnome itself.

> Q: Are you sure? > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?

I created a new user, password, logged out and in, and voila! success, so as you suggest something is amiss in my primary user account. I suppose I could start comparing files between the two, starting with the plasma files under .kde4 but I suspect this may not be totally fruitful. Would it be workable to just remove the plasma files and expect the system would re-create them at startup/login? Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Le 17/09/2013 21:13, Richard a écrit :

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I created a new user, password, logged out and in, and voila! success, so as you suggest something is amiss in my primary user account. I suppose I could start comparing files between the two, starting with the plasma files under

the simplkest thing to do is go to kdm prompt (the passwd prompt) and choose to launch only a terminal

I assume you are referring to a console login.

then move the .kde4 folder, (for example to .kde4.1), then reboot

If indeed, you have logged in to a console, no reboot is necessary, just: init 5 and complete the login prompts.

after that you should be able to log in kde, with the default install config

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On 09/22/2013 09:59 PM, Richard wrote:

At the risk of startng an email war: what suggestions might there be for an email program?

/snip/

Richard

A lot of people use and sort of like Thunderbird. I use it. But each time they upgrade it--and it's on a six-week upgrade sched--they louse up something. It has the advantage of being easily configurable by someone who knows nothing about ports, or tcpicp, or anything else adminish. Answer a few very simple questions and it's configured and working. Nothing else I have looked at over the years is that simple. It does have filters, but they have sort of loused that up--the latest version only gives you the option of _deleting_ whatever you filter. The problem with this is, sometimes you make a filter that has unexpected consequences, and it filters something you'd like to read. Well, if the only option is delete, then you can't read _anything_ you filtered. It has had, sporadically, an aversion to sending http and https to Firefox. There is a patch that you can run for that, but, of course, you shouldn't have to. The latest version seems to have made it impossible to read pdfs in Adobe Reader, and its own pdf reader really _sucks!_ You can always download the file and then open it in Adobe, but that's a pita. Latest release is 24.0. I think that somewhere there is a hoard of earlier T-Bird and Firefox software, and it might make sense to find it and install an earlier version. YMMV. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 9/22/2013 7:56 PM, Richard wrote:

Thanks Doug, and John for the additional vote of support. Have seen many references to happy use of T-bird on this list, just never gave it a shot. Perhaps the time is now.

Richard

Oh, and I also installed Sylpheed on a FreeBSD box the other week, and I was pretty impressed with it as well. http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ The nice thing with Imap accounts is you can try as many of these clients as you want without mucking up your mail account. POP, Not so much. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 23/09/2013 04:16, Doug a écrit :

adminish. Answer a few very simple questions and it's configured and working.

but if he do not understand the answers, it may be difficult to convice he is wrong

It does have filters, but they have sort of loused that up--the latest version only gives you the option of _deleting_

not this problem here (12.3, th 17.0.8) jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Doug said the following on 09/22/2013 10:16 PM:

On 09/22/2013 09:59 PM, Richard wrote:

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At the risk of startng an email war: what suggestions might there be for an email program?

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Richard

A lot of people use and sort of like Thunderbird. [...]

+1 but haven't encountered those problems.

It has had, sporadically, an aversion to sending http and https to Firefox.

Rather say that it changed the way this was configured to make it clearer and in doing so broke the old way.

The latest version seems to have made it impossible to read pdfs in Adobe Reader, and its own pdf reader really _sucks!_ You can always download the file and then open it in Adobe, but that's a pita. Latest release is 24.0.

Now, all of a sudden, you are talking about Firefox and not Thunderbird. T'bird is on 17.x, FF is on 20+. FF has a huge option for what to do with types of files, mime-types. You can chose the internal PDF renderer, which was introduced to get around some security problems, or configure FF to use an external reader, such s Adobe, which has - or had - security problems. YMMV. Thunderbird and Firefox both come from Mozilla abut they are not the same program. Do not confuse the two.

I think that somewhere there is a hoard of earlier T-Bird and Firefox software, and it might make sense to find it and install an earlier version. YMMV.

Earlier versions also had various security problems. -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Thunderbird works. Richard wrote:

At the risk of startng an email war: what suggestions might there be for an email program? I have been using kmail for quite some time but find it broken for me after a recent upgrade from 11.4 to 12.3. Email now coming thru but all old emails are listed but unaccessible, address book appears blank, each message that comes thru and each deletion appear as an error message in

notifications. Seems that I have had similar issues with previous upgrades. May be time to try something else. I think earlier problems were involved with change from how kmail stored emails, as folders/files, or something like that.

Would like to try something that is pretty solid, easy to configure, will allow filters, hopefully can also import kmail emails that are not damaged, maybe run with kmail until it is supplanted.

I took a short look at evolution but don't really want to have to include all the other stuff, calendar, scheduler, like that.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Richard

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On 2013-09-23 07:45 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:

Richard wrote:

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At the risk of startng an email war: what suggestions might there be for an email program?

I use Seamonkey, but Thunderbird is also popular.

Just as the Mozilla Web Suite sprang forth from a Netscape 4 legacy, and Firefox was split out of the Mozilla Suite, so too it was with Thunderbird. The Mozilla Suite continues as SeaMonkey. This line, beginning with Netscape 2.02, is all I've ever used for email, except for occasional sampling of web mail. On average I get 300+ emails a day. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/23/2013 07:58 PM, nex6 wrote:

* Richard [2013-09-22 18:59:45 -0700]:

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At the risk of startng an email war: what suggestions might there be for an email program? I have been using kmail for quite some time but find it broken for me after a recent upgrade from 11.4 to 12.3. Email now coming thru but all old emails are listed but unaccessible, address book appears blank, each message that comes thru and each deletion appear as an error message in notifications. Seems that I have had similar issues with previous upgrades. May be time to try something else. I think earlier problems were involved with change from how kmail stored emails, as folders/files, or something like that.

Would like to try something that is pretty solid, easy to configure, will allow filters, hopefully can also import kmail emails that are not damaged, maybe run with kmail until it is supplanted.

I took a short look at evolution but don't really want to have to include all the other stuff, calendar, scheduler, like that.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Richard -- I actually use mutt + getmail with maildirs; takes some time getting everything to work but once its setup it works pretty nice.

- does anyone still use 'pine' ? ..................... best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 9/23/2013 10:30 AM, ellanios82 wrote:

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Actually yes. I have some servers with no graphical capability installed, and which aren't allowed to send email. I ssh into them and use pine to read root's mail. But another candidate for a lightweight mail reader that seems to have enough capability is Claws. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/23/2013 01:23 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 9/23/2013 10:30 AM, ellanios82 wrote:

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Actually yes. I have some servers with no graphical capability installed, and which aren't allowed to send email. I ssh into them and use pine to read root's mail.

But another candidate for a lightweight mail reader that seems to have enough capability is Claws.

Thanks again for all the suggestions and assistance. I have started up Thunderbird and it seems to be working fine. Learning its features like how to set up filters and seems to be pretty straightforward. Alpine (new version of pine??) and claws were others I might try out when I get back on an even keel and old emails and addressbook are installed. Did notice (hard not to) that computer locked and crashed when I first opened T-bird, I assume because kmail was still running. Am now running both separately. Is there an easy way to transfer old emails to the new system? Many were saved as receipts, passwords for new sites, like that. I suppose I could store as an archive but then would not be able to open in T-bird I assume. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/09/13 12:47, Richard wrote:

On 09/23/2013 01:23 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/23/2013 10:30 AM, ellanios82 wrote:

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- does anyone still use 'pine' ?

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Actually yes. I have some servers with no graphical capability installed, and which aren't allowed to send email. I ssh into them and use pine to read root's mail.

But another candidate for a lightweight mail reader that seems to have enough capability is Claws.

Thanks again for all the suggestions and assistance. I have started up Thunderbird and it seems to be working fine. Learning its features like how to set up filters and seems to be pretty straightforward. Alpine (new version of pine??) and claws were others I might try out when I get back on an even keel and old emails and addressbook are installed.

Did notice (hard not to) that computer locked and crashed when I first opened T-bird, I assume because kmail was still running. Am now running both separately.

Is there an easy way to transfer old emails to the new system?

No if you are you using kmail. Each uses a different database system to store mail. Have a read in the wikipedia if you want specific details.

Many were saved as receipts, passwords for new sites, like that. I suppose I could store as an archive but then would not be able to open in T-bird I assume.

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David T-G said the following on 09/24/2013 05:10 AM:

Your best bet is probably to use an IMAP server to export from kmail and import to Tbird. I recently had to move years of mail archives for one of my users who thought it would be wise to move to gmail; I just pointed to the gmail IMAP address and hey, presto, it was just like more folders. I can't imagine, for those of us who wouldn't want to wash years of email through gmail, that setting up a temporary IMAP server locally would be too very hard.

The use of an IMAP server is certainly the most general and flexible. You can even run multiple readers into the same set of folders! But in the specific there may be other solutions depending. Such as: if the files can be stored in an mbox file or maildir directory ... A very basic IMAP server is trivial to set up. Something like Dovecot which is more powerful and can be pointed at many, many sources of differing types takes a bit of planning, reading of the documentation, and setup, but the results are worth it! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/23/2013 10:30 AM, ellanios82 wrote:

- does anyone still use 'pine' ?

Yes! I use Thunderbird myself, but two of my colleagues are heavy pine users. Regards, Lew Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 18:59 -0700, Richard wrote:

I took a short look at evolution but don't really want to have to include all the other stuff, calendar, scheduler, like that.

So, just don't use that stuff. The cost is basically nothing. Run "evolution --express" or "evolution --component mail" -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org