2005/5/17, Randall J. Parr :

Have Compaq Presario 3017CL notebook with SuSE 9.2 installed and running fine.

Trying to install/upgrade SuSE 9.3.

When booting from the DVD and selecting "Installation", the system hangs while "Initializing".

try installing it on text mode,same functionalilty no graphics.

I'm just wondering if this message will make to the suse-linux-e list, because it's being sent directly via sendmail/postfix with my fake HO (Home-Office) network domain, h0lug.sourceforge.nOt, being used. I would have expected suse-linux-e mailing list system to reject this message.

On Friday 20 May 2005 08:34, AD Marshall wrote:

I'm just wondering if this message will make to the suse-linux-e list, because it's being sent directly via sendmail/postfix with my fake HO (Home-Office) network domain, h0lug.sourceforge.nOt, being used. I would have expected suse-linux-e mailing list system to reject this message.

Strange? Does this make sense? Isn't how these mails are handled an invitation to spammers or spoofers? -- Yours truly, Clueless suse-linux-e believes whatever eddress is put into kmail's identity settings while somehow stripping away the original sending domain. Gmail notes the original sending domain but does reject it. Next: The full header from the above mail accepted by suse-linux-e, followed by a header from a test message sent from the same kmail identity, both via "Sendmail" as "Sending" server. suse-linux-e header ================ X-Gmail-Received: bd87e85f543ccfc6f5c30364ce78bf460a2b7141 Delivered-To: admarshall@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.16.42 with SMTP id 42cs7671wrp;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.20.64 with SMTP id 64mr212401wrt;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from lists.suse.com (lists.suse.de [195.135.221.131])         by mx.gmail.com with SMTP id 67si168692wra.2005.05.19.18.33.24;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com: domain of suse-linux-e-return-236896-admarshall=gmail.com@suse.com designates 195.135.221.131 as permitted sender) Received: (qmail 16514 invoked by alias); 20 May 2005 01:33:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact suse-linux-e-help@suse.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: mailto:suse-linux-e-help@suse.com list-unsubscribe: mailto:suse-linux-e-unsubscribe-admarshall=gmail.com@suse.com list-post: mailto:suse-linux-e@suse.com X-MIME-Notice: attachments may have been removed from this message X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e X-Message-Number-for-archive: 236896 Delivered-To: mailing list suse-linux-e@suse.com Received: (qmail 16501 invoked from network); 20 May 2005 01:33:14 -0000 From: AD Marshall To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:34:54 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <428A8F54.3020809@TemporalArts.com> <7d5a202f05051722136d552490@mail.gmail.com> <428D3B5B.5000403@TemporalArts.com> In-Reply-To: <428D3B5B.5000403@TemporalArts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505200834.55123.admarshall@gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,  MY_LINUX X-Spam-Level: Subject: [SLE] How's suse-linux-e spam checking? Status: R X-Status: NC X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: test message to gmail ================== X-Gmail-Received: 550b360404f16b8ab8163ba47da212a97c02dd34 Delivered-To: admarshall@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.16.42 with SMTP id 42cs7685wrp;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.10.72 with SMTP id 72mr1348845wrj;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from tpad01.h0lug.sourceforge.not ([210.245.118.218])         by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d75si1071739wra.2005.05.19.18.36.54;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 210.245.118.218 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of admarshall@gmail.com) Received: by tpad01.h0lug.sourceforge.not (Postfix, from userid 1001)         id 1C35B4454E; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:38:38 +0700 (ICT) From: AD Marshall To: admarshall@gmail.com Subject: tates Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:38:37 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505200838.37747.admarshall@gmail.com> Status: R X-Status: NC X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent:

On Friday 20 May 2005 09:27, Gary wrote:

Dear Clueless,

On Fri, 20 May 2005 08:49:09 +0700 UTC (8:49 PM -0500 UTC my time),

you wrote in part:

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I'm just wondering if this message will make to the suse-linux-e list, because it's being sent directly via sendmail/postfix with my fake HO (Home-Office) network domain, h0lug.sourceforge.nOt, being used. I would have expected suse-linux-e mailing list system to reject this message.

A> Strange? Does this make sense? Isn't how these mails are handled an A> invitation to spammers or spoofers? -- Yours truly, Clueless

no this is not strange. Suse's list, which is EZMLM, uses the envelope sender to subscribe you. Depending on your email client, this can be different from your From: email address. So you can put anything in the From: address as I just did. Your access to the list (envelope sender) is secret only to you.

Isn't any reverse-dns checking or anything like that done? Or would that or anything related to dns be ineffective against spam or spoofing?

The Friday 2005-05-20 at 08:49 +0700, AD Marshall wrote:

Next: The full header from the above mail accepted by suse-linux-e, followed by a header from a test message sent from the same kmail identity, both via "Sendmail" as "Sending" server.

Er... those headers are the headers you receive from the list servers; the "received" headers pertaining to the part of the email since it goes out from your MUA till it reaches SuSE is stripped and nobody can see them. We can not see there your "faked" names. To see them, you can send an email to yourself. If that fails, to me, direct, and then I send it to back to you.

test message to gmail ==================

Ah, this is diferent. Read it from the bottom up. The first one (bottom) is the local send from kmail to postfix. The second is "mx.gmail.com" getting email from the faked "tpad01.h0lug.sourceforge.not", with the real IP noted (your IP at the time - I would have disguised it before publishin on list) 3&4 are local to gmail. Last one (top) is deliver to your gmail account (pop, imap, whatever). Everything normal. Of course, SPF cpmplains a bit.

X-Gmail-Received: 550b360404f16b8ab8163ba47da212a97c02dd34 Delivered-To: admarshall@gmail.com

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Received: by 10.54.16.42 with SMTP id 42cs7685wrp;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT)

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Received: by 10.54.10.72 with SMTP id 72mr1348845wrj;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT)

Return-Path:

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Received: from tpad01.h0lug.sourceforge.not ([X.Y.Z.W])         by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d75si1071739wra.2005.05.19.18.36.54;         Thu, 19 May 2005 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT)

Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: X.Y.Z.W is neither permitted nor denied by domain of admarshall@gmail.com)

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Received: by tpad01.h0lug.sourceforge.not (Postfix, from userid 1001)         id 1C35B4454E; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:38:38 +0700 (ICT)

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

The Friday 2005-05-20 at 09:41 +0700, AD Marshall wrote:

Isn't any reverse-dns checking or anything like that done? Or would that or anything related to dns be ineffective against spam or spoofing?

Reverse dns seldom works - or not always. I know a number of bona fide business sites here whose rdns fails because the ISP doesn't mend it. They have fixed IPs for years, they have domain names, http server, mail servers, etc, but no reverse dns, it points to completely different name. Perhaps your part of the world is different. But nobody can force every ISP to fully comply with good standards. Very unfortunate. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

The Friday 2005-05-20 at 10:16 +0700, AD Marshall wrote:

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The second is "mx.gmail.com" getting email from the faked "tpad01.h0lug.sourceforge.not", with the real IP noted (your IP at the time - I would have disguised it before publishin on list)

It's actually a "national" gateway, so makes no difference to me. VietNam is that way <sigh>. If one person abuses some site, like someone did with slashdot once, we all get blocked.

Ah! I'm begining to understand now. Yes, some people directly block IPs based on the nation, because there are a lot of hackers and spam said to be coming from "the far east", and they say they do not need to correspond or do bussiness over there. There are rules in SpamAssassin for tests of that sort - I still do not know well what they do, SA documentation is scarce.

Thanks for the patient explanation.

Welcome :-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

On Friday 20 May 2005 21:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Friday 2005-05-20 at 10:16 +0700, AD Marshall wrote:

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The second is "mx.gmail.com" getting email from the faked "tpad01.h0lug.sourceforge.not", with the real IP noted (your IP at the time - I would have disguised it before publishin on list)

It's actually a "national" gateway, so makes no difference to me. VietNam is that way <sigh>. If one person abuses some site, like someone did with slashdot once, we all get blocked.

Ah! I'm begining to understand now. Yes, some people directly block IPs based on the nation, because there are a lot of hackers and spam said to be coming from "the far east", and they say they do not need to correspond or do bussiness over there. There are rules in SpamAssassin for tests of that sort - I still do not know well what they do, SA documentation is scarce.

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Thanks for the patient explanation.

Welcome :-)

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Heeheehee... Hey, Carlos! Thanks again. No need to think much more about this. It was just a casual clueless question. One thing you might not have noticed: VietNam's connections to the Net are carefully limited and firewalled and filtered (to "protect" the internal network from both the outside and access to the outside), unless you work in one of the IT Industrial Parks/Centres. Normally, you'll never see the real IP of anyone in VietNam, just the IP of one of the gateways. Filtering has been relaxed quite a bit over the last few years -- they used to filter all of geocities and sometimes even news.com and idg.net -- but it's still there. Also the handful of state-sanctioned ISPs here have to undergo regular inspections by the MoPs and MCIs (Ministry of Police & Ministry of Culture & Information). They used to have to mirror all email in and out of the country, until the ISPs servers started failing under the excess loads. -- AD Marshall Cell: +84 (0)903871313 eM: admarshall@gmail.com Web: http://h0lug.sourceforge.net Zone: ICT (IndoChina Time; GMT/UTC+7)

On Sunday 22 May 2005 01:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Saturday 2005-05-21 at 12:22 +0700, AD Marshall wrote:

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Heeheehee... Hey, Carlos! Thanks again. No need to think much more about this. It was just a casual clueless question.

It does good for my general culturization (does the word exist?) O:-) In America, anything is possible :-)

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One thing you might not have noticed: VietNam's connections to the Net are carefully limited and firewalled and filtered (to "protect" the internal network from both the outside and access to the outside), unless you work in one of the IT Industrial Parks/Centres. Normally, you'll never see the real IP of anyone in VietNam, just the IP of one of the gateways. Filtering has been relaxed quite a bit over the last few years -- they used to filter all of geocities and sometimes even news.com and idg.net -- but it's still there.

I had heard about this, but I forgot completely.

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Also the handful of state-sanctioned ISPs here have to undergo regular inspections by the MoPs and MCIs (Ministry of Police & Ministry of Culture & Information). They used to have to mirror all email in and out of the country, until the ISPs servers started failing under the excess loads.

Politicians usually miscalculate these things in all countries X-)

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Carlos, Colin, On Sunday 22 May 2005 07:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Sunday 2005-05-22 at 10:36 +1000, Colin Carter wrote:

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It does good for my general culturization (does the word exist?) O:-)

In America, anything is possible :-)

I don't live there ;-)

It probably doesn't, acording to the spell checker.

Close. It's "acculturation." To wit (via KDict): -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn] acculturation n 1: the adoption of the behavior patterns of the surrounding culture; "the socialization of children to the norms of their culture" [syn: socialization, socialisation, enculturation] 2: all the knowledge and values shared by a society [syn: culture] 3: the process of assimilating new ideas into an existing cognitive structure [syn: assimilation] Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 [moby-thes] 38 Moby Thesaurus words for "acculturation": Americanization, admission, adoption, affiliation, assimilation, citizenship by naturalization, citizenship papers, civility, civilization, complex, cultivation, cultural drift, culture, culture area, culture center, culture complex, culture conflict, culture contact, culture pattern, culture shock, culture trait, education, enculturation, enlightenment, ethos, folkways, key trait, mores, nationalization, naturalization, naturalized citizenship, papers, polish, refinement, socialization, society, trait, trait-complex -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- It's somewhat interesting that Moby Thesaurus suggests a U.S.-centric sense for the word.

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

I'm cheery. (It's the endorphins.) Randall Schulz

Anders, On Sunday 22 May 2005 14:13, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sunday 22 May 2005 22:53, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 [moby-thes] 38 Moby Thesaurus words for "acculturation": Americanization, ... -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-

It's somewhat interesting that Moby Thesaurus suggests a U.S.-centric sense for the word.

First of all, Grady Ward is an American, or at least he was living in California in 1996 according to the Moby project web page, and secondly isn't it more interesting that out of 38 synonyms you see the first one (sorted in alphabetical order) and assume it is what it "suggests"? :) None of the other are specific to the the US, and I even see a few in there that might be deemed completely opposite to it :)

"Suggests" is a weak word, and that's why I chose it. I specifically did not say "equates" or "defines" or even "implies." Also, I was neither agreeing nor agreeing with the author of the Moby Thesaurus, just pointing out something that caught my eye.

Besides, is there another ethno-centric synonym? Anglification? Canadization? Australising?

The "melting pot" metaphor for acculturation is, to my knowledge, uniquely American. Many reject it because it implies complete loss of one's original ethnic identity within the dominant culture. These critics sometimes suggest that a "cultural stew" or "salad" are better metaphors. Especially if you want to stay in the realm of the edible, I suppose. I am not antagonistic to that perspective. My ancestors left most of their Germanic cultural traits behind in the previous two generations, leaving me a dumb mutt American... Randall Schulz

On Monday 23 May 2005 04:13, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sunday 22 May 2005 22:53, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 [moby-thes] 38 Moby Thesaurus words for "acculturation": Americanization, admission, adoption, affiliation, assimilation, citizenship by naturalization, citizenship papers, civility, civilization, complex, cultivation, cultural drift, culture, culture area, culture center, culture complex, culture conflict, culture contact, culture pattern, culture shock, culture trait, education, enculturation, enlightenment, ethos, folkways, key trait, mores, nationalization, naturalization, naturalized citizenship, papers, polish, refinement, socialization, society, trait, trait-complex -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-

It's somewhat interesting that Moby Thesaurus suggests a U.S.-centric sense for the word.

First of all, Grady Ward is an American, or at least he was living in California in 1996 according to the Moby project web page, and secondly isn't it more interesting that out of 38 synonyms you see the first one (sorted in alphabetical order) and assume it is what it "suggests"? :) None of the other are specific to the the US, and I even see a few in there that might be deemed completely opposite to it :)

Besides, is there another ethno-centric synonym? Anglification? Canadization? Australising?

That's CanaDadafication. ;) -- AD Marshall (CanaDadian in SighGone) Tel: +84 (0)903871313 eM: admarshall@gmail.com Web: http://h0lug.sourceforge.net Zone: ICT (IndoChina Time; GMT/UTC+7)

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Have Compaq Presario 3017CL notebook with SuSE 9.2 installed and running fine.

Trying to install/upgrade SuSE 9.3.

When booting from the DVD and selecting "Installation", the system hangs while "Initializing".

GUI-mode, text-mode, no difference.

After selecting "Installation", the system boots off the DVD, the boot messages look normal, the YAST GUI comes up and looks fine, with "Initializing" showing in the large right hand window, a small window flashes "Probing Mouse" which disappears almost immediately, and the system then hangs at "Initializing...".

I have tried with acpi=off; the YAST GUI then comes up, keyboard selection, language selection, TILT no hard drive found.

I am assuming there is some boot option I need to use with this machine but I am unable to find any listing of the available boot options.

The system can boot and run Knoppix 3.6 and 3.7 Live CD's just fine.

The system has had SuSE 9.1 and then SuSE 9.2 installed without this kind of problem. The system currently has the original XP and SuSE 9.2 installed and running on it. The SuSE install uses Reiser (the default SuSE 9.2 option).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

SuSE support suggested using boot parameter insmod=ide-generic That did the trick and I was able to install/upgrade just fine after that. R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts