SUSE 10 boxed edition broken beyond ...
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff. Anyway the final conclusion was: - despite being much faster this suse release is so damn cripled that is feeling like 7.3 edition - the dvd disc is not bootable, used an old 9.3 to start grub - find out the Novell was loosing expensive devel time to block apps and libs from running ok, even trying to compile new libraries was much harder - mp3 decoding is way wrong - even ac3 decoding or a52lib is imposible to get even I had legal copies of dvd movies. - amarok with helix plugin is getting shity quality even with high end sound sistems - multimedia is so cripled that I am thinking for the first time in 10 years to switch to windows - multimedia support is even better in windows nt4.0 - all the studies regarding desktop usability and multimedia vs. windows are true This policy of not upseting anyone, especially Microsoft is a closer look on what software devel will be un USA. Just a big consortium of universal consense going nowhere but down. Novell, drop out the linux business, I never saw such a regress in linux development since SuSE was bought by you. I am switch back to 9.3 on all my desktops, i am not planning to implement SuSE 10 on any server. I am looking toward another Linux distro - maybe SUPER. Waiting to see if Novell is going to release some multimedia packs in YOU, like in 9.3. Bye, A not at all happy SUSE camper.
On Thursday 24 November 2005 10:34 am, SuSE Ground Zero wrote:
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.
Waiting to see if Novell is going to release some multimedia packs in YOU, like in 9.3.
Bye,
A not at all happy SUSE camper.
It's amazing how some people have all the problems, while most of us have none. And everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that you should switch to Windows. Enjoy.
Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Thursday 24 November 2005 10:34 am, SuSE Ground Zero wrote:
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.
Waiting to see if Novell is going to release some multimedia packs in YOU, like in 9.3.
Bye,
A not at all happy SUSE camper.
It's amazing how some people have all the problems, while most of us have none.
And everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Mine is that you should switch to Windows.
Enjoy.
We still got our opinions, it is still not patent infringment to talk. Maybe you gonna porpose to your congress representative a law against free opinion. I was perorating about switching to closed tech like windows. I wanted my message to be a signal that SUSE is not SuSE.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:11:25 +0200, you wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote: [snippage]
We still got our opinions, it is still not patent infringment to talk. Maybe you gonna porpose to your congress representative a law against free opinion.
I was perorating about switching to closed tech like windows. I wanted my message to be a signal that SUSE is not SuSE.
Actually it's a signal that you're an idiot. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:08 -0500, Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:11:25 +0200, you wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote: [snippage]
We still got our opinions, it is still not patent infringment to talk. Maybe you gonna porpose to your congress representative a law against free opinion.
I was perorating about switching to closed tech like windows. I wanted my message to be a signal that SUSE is not SuSE.
Actually it's a signal that you're an idiot.
LOL!! I'd say!
Mike-
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Well let me add a few c's I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ... On my servers I have built and loaded 24 so far and have had tiny issues more based on my lack of know how, but I can say that there are no issues, Since Novel in SA has 101 stories not to provide me with the DVD, I have been happily camping with 10 on CD, There are a few missing packages on the CD's that you can only find on the DVD (which I lack) and I am sure vise versa. All in all 10 is 10 times better than 9.3, and it is faster by far. If anything is broken it is the Service pack for the new NLD. :) Chadley
Chadley Wilson wrote:
Well let me add a few c's
I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ...
And where did you get the MP3 support from? From the retail DVD as it was in 9.2? (Don't know about 9.3.) If yes, I didn't find it there. (This is not about OpenSUSE.) Or did you get it from packman? I.e., from a 3rd party SUSE-unsupported package repository? You're all very quick to insult the OP as being an idiot. But you don't mention that there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more. And using packman is seriously difficult beyond one-stop downloading - there are no automatic security online updates available via yast, as online_update handles only SUSE repositories. For online updates, one has to resort to (SUSE-unsupported) apt4rpm which is not nice for the general user. If your read the OP again, you see that he quarrels mostly about MP3 and Multimedia (except his boot problem). And concerning this area, the 10.0 retail DVD *is* not good. In fact, my brother (who used SUSE since 5.x!) plans to abandon SUSE exactly for that reason. So the OP is not the only person with that problem. If I'm wrong and if there is MP3 and Multimedia support on the retail DVD, please tell me where. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany
On Friday 25 November 2005 09:14, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Chadley Wilson wrote:
Well let me add a few c's
I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ...
And where did you get the MP3 support from? From the retail DVD as it was in 9.2? (Don't know about 9.3.) If yes, I didn't find it there. (This is not about OpenSUSE.)
Or did you get it from packman? I.e., from a 3rd party SUSE-unsupported package repository?
You're all very quick to insult the OP as being an idiot. But you don't mention that there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more. And using packman is seriously difficult beyond one-stop downloading - there are no automatic security online updates available via yast, as online_update handles only SUSE repositories. For online updates, one has to resort to (SUSE-unsupported) apt4rpm which is not nice for the general user.
If your read the OP again, you see that he quarrels mostly about MP3 and Multimedia (except his boot problem). And concerning this area, the 10.0 retail DVD *is* not good. In fact, my brother (who used SUSE since 5.x!) plans to abandon SUSE exactly for that reason. So the OP is not the only person with that problem.
The MP3 problem goes even deeper than that. I used official SuSE updates to update from KDE 3.4 to KDE 3.5 and it broke the KDE sound system. Artsd crashed when a system sound was attempted. This was because SuSE chose to move MP3 support out of its default KDE rpms and put it elsewhere so it could be left out of the default install. When doing the update those new rpms were NOT installed. I had to install them explicitly. I submitted a bug report to the KDE team and wasted their time on this. They were kind enough to identify the solution -- I was not the first to run into this.
On Friday, 25-November-2005 09:35, Robert Paulsen wrote:
The MP3 problem goes even deeper than that. I used official SuSE updates to update from KDE 3.4 to KDE 3.5 and it broke the KDE sound system. Artsd crashed when a system sound was attempted. This was because SuSE chose to move MP3 support out of its default KDE rpms and put it elsewhere so it could be left out of the default install. When doing the update those new rpms were NOT installed. I had to install them explicitly. I submitted a bug report to the KDE team and wasted their time on this. They were kind enough to identify the solution -- I was not the first to run into this.
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
On Friday 25 November 2005 09:47, sargon wrote:
On Friday, 25-November-2005 09:35, Robert Paulsen wrote:
The MP3 problem goes even deeper than that. I used official SuSE updates to update from KDE 3.4 to KDE 3.5 and it broke the KDE sound system. Artsd crashed when a system sound was attempted. This was because SuSE chose to move MP3 support out of its default KDE rpms and put it elsewhere so it could be left out of the default install. When doing the update those new rpms were NOT installed. I had to install them explicitly. I submitted a bug report to the KDE team and wasted their time on this. They were kind enough to identify the solution -- I was not the first to run into this.
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3. Where did you find them for 10? FWIW, I tried the 9.3 RPMs on my SuSE 10 laptop, but MP3 files still don't play under KDE.
On Friday 25 November 2005 13:09, sargon wrote:
On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.
Where did you find them for 10?
Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source/suse/i586/ They are in there. I used YaST's "change source of installation" to add an FTP server. Server: ftp.suse.com Directory: pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source Then do "install and remove software". P.S. You might want to find a closer mirror, but I see the link to the list of mirrors is broken: http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.h...
Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/y ast-source/suse/i586/ when I did a software add in YaST and selected kdemultimedia, it found
On Fri November 25 2005 2:23 pm, Robert Paulsen wrote: the 3.5 apps. Since I am still on kde 3.4 I'm not sure I want to mix and match 3.4 with 3.5, so maybe I'll wait til I get the KDE 3.5 upgrade. YoU and smart do not show it. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
Paul, On Friday 25 November 2005 11:40, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri November 25 2005 2:23 pm, Robert Paulsen wrote:
Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/ y ast-source/suse/i586/
when I did a software add in YaST and selected kdemultimedia, it found the 3.5 apps. Since I am still on kde 3.4 I'm not sure I want to mix and match 3.4 with 3.5, so maybe I'll wait til I get the KDE 3.5 upgrade. YoU and smart do not show it.
I know nothing of smart and how it's used in and integrated with the SuSE distribution, but I'm pretty sure neither YOU nor the on-line SuSE repositories (the official ones from Novell) will never supply KDE 3.5, only bug-fix updates to the 3.4.2 that shipped with the initial release. In the past, I've routinely moved up to new KDE releases as they were made available on one of the "supplementary" repositories. I do this because KDE progresses quite rapidly and I've come to really appreciate the new features that keep appearing. I've had relatively little trouble with this, but SuSE / Novell isn't going to venture into such major upgrades within a given release. To get their support / blessing of such an upgrade, you have to move up to a new release of the distribution.
Paul Cartwright
Randall Schulz
On Fri November 25 2005 2:55 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I know nothing of smart and how it's used in and integrated with the SuSE distribution, but I'm pretty sure neither YOU nor the on-line SuSE repositories (the official ones from Novell) will never supply KDE 3.5, only bug-fix updates to the 3.4.2 that shipped with the initial release.
I used apt before ( along with Yast & YOU), so I already had the repositories setup. smart is very nice, and I like it MUCH better than apt. you run "smart upgrade" first to update your config files with the current apps on the repositories, then smart upgrade to download & install the latest versions of any apps you have installed.
In the past, I've routinely moved up to new KDE releases as they were made available on one of the "supplementary" repositories. I do this because KDE progresses quite rapidly and I've come to really appreciate the new features that keep appearing. I've had relatively little trouble with this, but SuSE / Novell isn't going to venture into such major upgrades within a given release. To get their support / blessing of such an upgrade, you have to move up to a new release of the distribution.
oh, I think I did that with KDE 3.4 ( it was so traumatic I think I forgot about it:) went to KDE.org, downloaded all the new apps, and ran rpm -i *.rpm then did the same for the SUSE menus. Is it time to do that for KDE 3.5 ?? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Friday, 25-November-2005 13:23, Robert Paulsen wrote:
Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/ yast-source/suse/i586/
They are in there. I used YaST's "change source of installation" to add an FTP server. Server: ftp.suse.com Directory: pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source
Then do "install and remove software".
Unfortunately those are symlinks to the 3.4.3 packages. If anyone from SuSE/Novell follows this list and can comment on the availability of kdemultimedi3a-mad and kdemultimedia3-arts-mad packages for SuSE 10, there are several of us who want to know when we might see them.
On Friday 25 November 2005 14:03, sargon wrote:
On Friday, 25-November-2005 13:23, Robert Paulsen wrote:
Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/ yast-source/suse/i586/
They are in there. I used YaST's "change source of installation" to add an FTP server. Server: ftp.suse.com Directory: pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source
Then do "install and remove software".
Unfortunately those are symlinks to the 3.4.3 packages.
Hmm, right you are. And it looks like the 3.4.3 files the links point to are not even there. Maybe this is an oversight or maybe they intend to stop shipping MP3 support altogether in 10.0.
If anyone from SuSE/Novell follows this list and can comment on the availability of kdemultimedi3a-mad and kdemultimedia3-arts-mad packages for SuSE 10, there are several of us who want to know when we might see them.
Yes, that would be nice.
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Then do "install and remove software".
Unfortunately those are symlinks to the 3.4.3 packages.
If anyone from SuSE/Novell follows this list and can comment on the availability of kdemultimedi3a-mad and kdemultimedia3-arts-mad packages for SuSE 10, there are several of us who want to know when we might see them.
I might be confused, but I heard the ..-mad things were only included in the dvd, because they are payware. If that is correct, they will not appear on the ftp server. But I'm sleepy and I might be confused, you will have to check yourselves. :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDh7qNtTMYHG2NR9URAgWDAJwNSQpPUKL5zG+Uk7Nx8dhtg/TqmACghejU p+5uOhVg8dE0uashA1FrYKU= =5HHW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday, 25-November-2005 13:23, Robert Paulsen wrote:
Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/ yast-source/suse/i586/
They are in there. I used YaST's "change source of installation" to add an FTP server. Server: ftp.suse.com Directory: pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source
Then do "install and remove software".
Unfortunately those are symlinks to the 3.4.3 packages.
If anyone from SuSE/Novell follows this list and can comment on the availability of kdemultimedi3a-mad and kdemultimedia3-arts-mad packages for SuSE 10, there are several of us who want to know when we might see them. ========= It seems that these two files are no longer needed and that, I suspect is the reason you don't see 3.5 versions on the mirrors. I had these two installed, the 3.4.3 builds, but noticed they only related to
On Friday 25 November 2005 15:03, sargon wrote: libmpeg, which is no longer used. Removing the files caused no hiccups for my system. All multimedia items still work correctly. If you have updated to all the 3.5 stuff, I wouldn't worry about these two items, as I believe they've been absorbed or removed. Randall, if you haven't given 3.5 KDE a look yet, you should. Some nice new stuff and all files seem to be stable with this latest build. The earlier builds caused some bumps, but everything appears to be working together smoothly with everything available now. regards, Lee
On Friday 25 November 2005 11:40 pm, BandiPat wrote:
Randall, if you haven't given 3.5 KDE a look yet, you should. Some nice new stuff and all files seem to be stable with this latest build. The earlier builds caused some bumps, but everything appears to be working together smoothly with everything available now.
Quite right! Fred -- Paid purchaser of ALL SuSE Linux releases since 6.x
On Fri November 25 2005 11:40 pm, BandiPat wrote:
Randall, if you haven't given 3.5 KDE a look yet, you should. Some nice new stuff and all files seem to be stable with this latest build. The earlier builds caused some bumps, but everything appears to be working together smoothly with everything available now. I just ran the update last night.. I assume I have to log out & bvack in to get the new 3.5 desktop..
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Saturday 26 November 2005 06:55, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri November 25 2005 11:40 pm, BandiPat wrote:
Randall, if you haven't given 3.5 KDE a look yet, you should. Some nice new stuff and all files seem to be stable with this latest build. The earlier builds caused some bumps, but everything appears to be working together smoothly with everything available now.
I just ran the update last night.. I assume I have to log out & bvack in to get the new 3.5 desktop..
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 ==========
Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back! Lee
On Sat November 26 2005 10:28 pm, BandiPat wrote:
I just ran the update last night.. I assume I have to log out & bvack in to get the new 3.5 desktop..
Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back! well, I tried the init 3, then startx, but I didn't do the init 5. My current logins were munavailable, so I did the init 6. working great right now!!
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Saturday 26 November 2005 21:28, BandiPat wrote:
Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back!
Lee
For me, just closing the current session restarts X, which I think is more than enough. No need for changing the runlevel so far. Cheers
On Sun November 27 2005 6:01 am, Sunny wrote:
Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back!
Lee
For me, just closing the current session restarts X, which I think is more than enough. No need for changing the runlevel so far.
doesn't work here, X crashed. in the Alt-F1 root session I did startx and it worked for that session, but I couldn't get back to the KDE login screen, I got a blank white screen. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Sunday 27 November 2005 06:01, Sunny wrote:
On Saturday 26 November 2005 21:28, BandiPat wrote:
Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back!
Lee
For me, just closing the current session restarts X, which I think is more than enough. No need for changing the runlevel so far.
Cheers ========
Closing the current session does not restart X! You can press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and restart X, but dropping down to init 3 is the safest way to do this. Lee
On Sunday 27 November 2005 09:32, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 27 November 2005 06:01, Sunny wrote:
On Saturday 26 November 2005 21:28, BandiPat wrote:
Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back!
Lee
For me, just closing the current session restarts X, which I think is more than enough. No need for changing the runlevel so far.
Cheers
========
Closing the current session does not restart X! You can press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and restart X, but dropping down to init 3 is the safest way to do this.
Lee
Strange, I even see the NVidia logo ... And ... by current I mean the last one open. If there is another open session, it does not restart X. Sunny
On Sun November 27 2005 10:33 am, Sunny wrote:
Strange, I even see the NVidia logo ... And ... by current I mean the last one open. If there is another open session, it does not restart X.
that's probably why, I had another user logged in. If I had logged them out first it might have worked. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Sunday 27 November 2005 10:59, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Sun November 27 2005 10:33 am, Sunny wrote:
Strange, I even see the NVidia logo ... And ... by current I mean the last one open. If there is another open session, it does not restart X.
that's probably why, I had another user logged in. If I had logged them out first it might have worked.
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 ========
Doesn't matter Paul, no matter how many sessions/users are logged in at the time. If you just close out a Gnome or KDE session back to the login screen, that doesn't restart X! You have to close X down completely, with either the init 3 or ctrl-alt-backspace, otherwise you won't initialize the new KDE/gnome system files. Lee
On Sun November 27 2005 12:06 pm, BandiPat wrote:
Doesn't matter Paul, no matter how many sessions/users are logged in at the time. If you just close out a Gnome or KDE session back to the login screen, that doesn't restart X! You have to close X down completely, with either the init 3 or ctrl-alt-backspace, otherwise you won't initialize the new KDE/gnome system files.
got it. I forgot aboiut the CTRL-ALT-backspace.. thanks! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
BandiPat wrote:
If you just close out a Gnome or KDE session back to the login screen, that doesn't restart X! Actually it does restart X, but that is not the problem with updating KDE You have to close X down completely, with either the init 3 or ctrl-alt-backspace, otherwise you won't initialize the new KDE/gnome system files. You do need to init 3 (but not Ctl-Alt-Bsp), then init 5, because this also restart kdm, which changes with a kde update (as well as check /opt/kde3/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and make sure it is still a symlink to /etc/opt/kde3/share/config/kdm/kdmrc).
-- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
Hi, On Friday 25 November 2005 11:09, sargon wrote:
On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.
Where did you find them for 10?
Use this repository. It has KDE 3.5: http://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-s... or Protocol: HTTP Server: mirrors.kernel.org Directory: /suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source Randall Schulz
On Friday 25 November 2005 14:53, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
On Friday 25 November 2005 11:09, sargon wrote:
On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.
Where did you find them for 10?
Use this repository. It has KDE 3.5:
http://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast- source
Like the SuSE site itself, that seems to have everything *except* the MP3 RPMs.
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:09:32 -0600, you wrote:
On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.
Where did you find them for 10?
FWIW, I tried the 9.3 RPMs on my SuSE 10 laptop, but MP3 files still don't play under KDE.
Odd. I have no problems playing mp3s under SuSE 10 without installing anything special - I prefer xmms but amarok works fine too. Are you talking about opensuse or SuSE 10? Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
On Friday, 25-November-2005 16:13, Michael W Cocke wrote:
Odd. I have no problems playing mp3s under SuSE 10 without installing anything special - I prefer xmms but amarok works fine too. Are you talking about opensuse or SuSE 10?
SuSE 10
On Friday 25 November 2005 13:09, sargon wrote:
On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:
For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.
Where did you find them for 10?
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/14/idka/44895/datan/2005-11-05 HTH, Peter Taylor
On Friday, 25-November-2005 20:24, Peter A. Taylor wrote:
kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5
I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.
Where did you find them for 10?
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/14/idka/44895/datan/2005-11-05
Unfortunately those are not for KDE 3.5.
I just user Real audio for my mp3 Joachim Schrod wrote:
Chadley Wilson wrote:
Well let me add a few c's
I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ...
And where did you get the MP3 support from? From the retail DVD as it was in 9.2? (Don't know about 9.3.) If yes, I didn't find it there. (This is not about OpenSUSE.)
Or did you get it from packman? I.e., from a 3rd party SUSE-unsupported package repository?
You're all very quick to insult the OP as being an idiot. But you don't mention that there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more. And using packman is seriously difficult beyond one-stop downloading - there are no automatic security online updates available via yast, as online_update handles only SUSE repositories. For online updates, one has to resort to (SUSE-unsupported) apt4rpm which is not nice for the general user.
If your read the OP again, you see that he quarrels mostly about MP3 and Multimedia (except his boot problem). And concerning this area, the 10.0 retail DVD *is* not good. In fact, my brother (who used SUSE since 5.x!) plans to abandon SUSE exactly for that reason. So the OP is not the only person with that problem.
If I'm wrong and if there is MP3 and Multimedia support on the retail DVD, please tell me where.
Joachim
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:14:39 +0100, you wrote:
Chadley Wilson wrote:
Well let me add a few c's
I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ...
And where did you get the MP3 support from? From the retail DVD as it was in 9.2? (Don't know about 9.3.) If yes, I didn't find it there. (This is not about OpenSUSE.)
Or did you get it from packman? I.e., from a 3rd party SUSE-unsupported package repository?
You're all very quick to insult the OP as being an idiot. But you don't mention that there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more. And using packman is seriously difficult beyond one-stop downloading - there are no automatic security online updates available via yast, as online_update handles only SUSE repositories. For online updates, one has to resort to (SUSE-unsupported) apt4rpm which is not nice for the general user.
If your read the OP again, you see that he quarrels mostly about MP3 and Multimedia (except his boot problem). And concerning this area, the 10.0 retail DVD *is* not good. In fact, my brother (who used SUSE since 5.x!) plans to abandon SUSE exactly for that reason. So the OP is not the only person with that problem.
If I'm wrong and if there is MP3 and Multimedia support on the retail DVD, please tell me where.
Joachim
The root of the multimedia issue isn't really caused by SuSE and it's not limited to SuSE linux. If you want to play games and watch movies, either buy a console or use windows. Linux is still (and I sincerely hope remains in the future) targeted at people who have some brains and a need for a computer. When they dumb linux down to the point where it really competes with windows for the same target audience, I'm afraid that it will wind up being as useless as windows. If you need to play audio and video on linux, you need to learn how to install the software. It's not difficult, the software isn't particularly hard to find, and $DIETY knows the instructions are repeated AT LEAST weekly (if not daily) on a dozen mailing lists and newsgroups. If you can live with the formats that aren't licensed to death the support is standard in all the distros that I've looked at. Consider that the legal (and financial) quagmire that makes it difficult to provide native support for the aforemented licensed formats is one of the factors that has given birth to OSS and linux... Besides, speaking as one of the people who called the OP an idiot, I was making fun of his almost incoherent bitching. He didn't actually specify any particular problem or problems and request help (everything he mentioned is solvable) he just whined. I will continue to make fun of lusers like that right up to my last moment on this planet. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
Michael W Cocke wrote:
Linux is still (and I sincerely hope remains in the future) targeted at people who have some brains and a need for a computer. When they dumb linux down to the point where it really competes with windows for the same target audience, I'm afraid that it will wind up being as useless as windows.
Listen, pal: I work with Unix since 1982. Actually, I started with Unix 7, with a classic AT&T source license. I work with Linux since 1994 when I installed 0.99.4. I earn my money by planning global data centers for mission-critical Unix servers and IBM mainframes of multi-national companies. Don't talk to me about dumbing down computers -- it's quite possible that I have much more experience with big iron computing than you do. And with this 20+ years of experience with Unix and this 10+ years experience with Linux, I can tell you: You're wrong. If somebody complains that 9.3 supported multimedia and 10.0 doesn't, you think you can call him dumb and insult him. I think that just shows your attitude -- and frankly, that attitude is a dumb one. Linux is not `dumbed down' if multimedia and MP3 work out of the box in a *payed-for* *retail* DVD, this is pure and utter garbage. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany
On Friday 25 November 2005 05:40 pm, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
Linux is still (and I sincerely hope remains in the future) targeted at people who have some brains and a need for a computer. When they dumb linux down to the point where it really competes with windows for the same target audience, I'm afraid that it will wind up being as useless as windows.
Listen, pal: I work with Unix since 1982. Actually, I started with Unix 7, with a classic AT&T source license. I work with Linux since 1994 when I installed 0.99.4. I earn my money by planning global data centers for mission-critical Unix servers and IBM mainframes of multi-national companies. Don't talk to me about dumbing down computers -- it's quite possible that I have much more experience with big iron computing than you do.
Get off your high horse.... There's a lot more experienced people here than you, I can guarantee that.
And with this 20+ years of experience with Unix and this 10+ years experience with Linux, I can tell you: You're wrong.
45 years experience with computers here.... almost all mainframe experience. go'way kid........
How much experience does it take to note that a very disappointed user was subject to ad hominem attack, a defender then disdained with arrogance. Is the product a shining example of a major release - at such a high level? Lonn C. Dugan -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Marshall [mailto:bmarsh@bmarsh.com] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 18:40 To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] SUSE 10 boxed edition broken beyond ... On Friday 25 November 2005 05:40 pm, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
Linux is still (and I sincerely hope remains in the future) targeted at people who have some brains and a need for a computer. When they dumb linux down to the point where it really competes with windows for the same target audience, I'm afraid that it will wind up being as useless as windows.
Listen, pal: I work with Unix since 1982. Actually, I started with Unix 7, with a classic AT&T source license. I work with Linux since 1994 when I installed 0.99.4. I earn my money by planning global data centers for mission-critical Unix servers and IBM mainframes of multi-national companies. Don't talk to me about dumbing down computers -- it's quite possible that I have much more experience with big iron computing than you do.
Get off your high horse.... There's a lot more experienced people here than you, I can guarantee that.
And with this 20+ years of experience with Unix and this 10+ years experience with Linux, I can tell you: You're wrong.
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:40:52 +0100, you wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
Linux is still (and I sincerely hope remains in the future) targeted at people who have some brains and a need for a computer. When they dumb linux down to the point where it really competes with windows for the same target audience, I'm afraid that it will wind up being as useless as windows.
Listen, pal: I work with Unix since 1982. Actually, I started with Unix 7, with a classic AT&T source license. I work with Linux since 1994 when I installed 0.99.4. I earn my money by planning global data centers for mission-critical Unix servers and IBM mainframes of multi-national companies. Don't talk to me about dumbing down computers -- it's quite possible that I have much more experience with big iron computing than you do.
And with this 20+ years of experience with Unix and this 10+ years experience with Linux, I can tell you: You're wrong. If somebody complains that 9.3 supported multimedia and 10.0 doesn't, you think you can call him dumb and insult him. I think that just shows your attitude -- and frankly, that attitude is a dumb one. Linux is not `dumbed down' if multimedia and MP3 work out of the box in a *payed-for* *retail* DVD, this is pure and utter garbage.
Joachim
A) You and I have almost exactly the same history, so stop thinking you know more than I do. B) Go back and reread the posts again before you insert that foot any further - I suspect you've missed the whole point. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
On Friday 25 November 2005 10:14 am, Joachim Schrod wrote:
there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more
How does Novell/SuSE expect market share to increase with such a glaring omission? I can understand leaving it out of OpenSUSE. The average Windows-using retail customer is just going to walk away. This is the retail box we're talking about. They should pay whatever fee they think is necessary to make it legal and raise the price to cover it. The same with DVD support. I have been purchasing and using the retail boxed set since version 6. The retail box lacking DVD support was bad enough. Now that they don't even include mp3 support, and with the recent Gnome-centric plans for the future, I am seriously considering dropping SuSE. Recently as I stood in CompUSA holding the version 10 box in my hand, I sadly put it back on the shelf and left. Bryan ************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 3.3.1 KDE 3.4.2 KMail 1.8.2 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 01:29:49PM -0500, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
On Friday 25 November 2005 10:14 am, Joachim Schrod wrote:
there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more
How does Novell/SuSE expect market share to increase with such a glaring omission? I can understand leaving it out of OpenSUSE.
They aren't Microsoft and can't screw anyone into taking it.
The average Windows-using retail customer is just going to walk away. This is the retail box we're talking about. They should pay whatever fee they think is necessary to make it legal and raise the price to cover it. The same with DVD support.
That's an idea I'd support.
I have been purchasing and using the retail boxed set since version 6. The retail box lacking DVD support was bad enough. Now that they don't even include mp3 support, and with the recent Gnome-centric plans for the future, I am seriously considering dropping SuSE. Recently as I stood in CompUSA holding the version 10 box in my hand, I sadly put it back on the shelf and left.
The "Gnome Centric" crap has passed and almost every Linux news page has had the article saying they dropped the plans when everyone got pissed.
Bryan
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On Friday 25 November 2005 12:49, Allen wrote: ... clip ...
The "Gnome Centric" crap has passed and almost every Linux news page has had the article saying they dropped the plans when everyone got pissed.
Where did you see that? What I have seen is the "explanation" that KDE would still be available but would not be the default. When I see how Gnome under KDE worked out as a 2nd-class citizen, I worry how their KDE support will erode over time.
At 01:29 PM 11/25/2005 -0500, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
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On Friday 25 November 2005 10:14 am, Joachim Schrod wrote:
there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more
How does Novell/SuSE expect market share to increase with such a glaring omission? I can understand leaving it out of OpenSUSE.
The average Windows-using retail customer is just going to walk away. This is the retail box we're talking about. They should pay whatever fee they think is necessary to make it legal and raise the price to cover it. The same with DVD support.
I have been purchasing and using the retail boxed set since version 6. The retail box lacking DVD support was bad enough. Now that they don't even include mp3 support, and with the recent Gnome-centric plans for the future, I am seriously considering dropping SuSE. Recently as I stood in CompUSA holding the version 10 box in my hand, I sadly put it back on the shelf and left.
Bryan
I was recently at the IrfanView site for all the latest Win stuff, and I seem to remember seeing the word Linux there somewhere. Irfanview plays just about everything; I don't know about encripted DVD's. --doug -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/182 - Release Date: 11/24/2005
On Fri November 25 2005 3:54 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I was recently at the IrfanView site for all the latest Win stuff, and I seem to remember seeing the word Linux there somewhere. Irfanview plays just about everything; I don't know about encripted DVD's. What is IrfanView?
IrfanView is a very fast, small, compact and innovative FREEWARE (for non-commercial use) graphic viewer for Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003. http://www.irfanview.com/ I saw nothing that said Linux.. I used to run that on my XP box.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On 25/11/05, Paul Cartwright
On Fri November 25 2005 3:54 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I was recently at the IrfanView site for all the latest Win stuff, and I seem to remember seeing the word Linux there somewhere. Irfanview plays just about everything; I don't know about encripted DVD's. What is IrfanView?
IrfanView is a very fast, small, compact and innovative FREEWARE (for non-commercial use) graphic viewer for Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003. http://www.irfanview.com/
I saw nothing that said Linux.. I used to run that on my XP box.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
I think that the Linux support is a new thing, but, I too have seen it mentioned. I think it was in a recent Linux mag but am not sure which one. Perhaps a Google search is in order? -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
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wrote: On Fri November 25 2005 3:54 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I was recently at the IrfanView site for all the latest Win stuff, and I seem to remember seeing the word Linux there somewhere. Irfanview plays just about everything; I don't know about encripted DVD's. What is IrfanView?
IrfanView is a very fast, small, compact and innovative FREEWARE (for non-commercial use) graphic viewer for Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003. http://www.irfanview.com/
I saw nothing that said Linux.. I used to run that on my XP box.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
I think that the Linux support is a new thing, but, I too have seen it mentioned. I think it was in a recent Linux mag but am not sure which one. Perhaps a Google search is in order?
-- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer
Incomplete Google search says that IrfanView will run _almost_ 100% under WINE. See http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/ Scroll down to "Bonus Apps that run great under WINE" --doug -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005
On Sat November 26 2005 3:01 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Incomplete Google search says that IrfanView will run _almost_ 100% under WINE. See
http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/
Scroll down to "Bonus Apps that run great under WINE"
ah, under wine.. I try to run native apps when I can, much faster/better/easier that way, and gwenview/gimp is a pretty good combo for viewing/manipulating graphics ( at least for me). but it is good to know it does work under wine! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Friday 25 November 2005 10:29 am, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
On Friday 25 November 2005 10:14 am, Joachim Schrod wrote:
there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more
How does Novell/SuSE expect market share to increase with such a glaring omission? I can understand leaving it out of OpenSUSE.
The average Windows-using retail customer is just going to walk away. This is the retail box we're talking about. They should pay whatever fee they think is necessary to make it legal and raise the price to cover it. The same with DVD support.
This is a very valid point. Xandros (I believe - never used it) and Linspire includes out of the box DVD support, if you wish to have it. I know for Linspire it is a US $10 charge. Not bad, if you want DVD playback on your computer. (Again, not something I really care about but seems to be an issue.)
I have been purchasing and using the retail boxed set since version 6. The retail box lacking DVD support was bad enough. Now that they don't even include mp3 support,
Although easy to overcome, this is a GLARING omission. I've yet to hear of a software company getting sued by Frauenhofer for using the LAME codec. Not including an item simply because of the possibility of a threat of a lawsuit shows lack of strength. Maybe we should call version 10 the Chicken Little version.
and with the recent Gnome-centric plans for the future, I am seriously considering dropping SuSE. Recently as I stood in CompUSA holding the version 10 box in my hand, I sadly put it back on the shelf and left.
I hear ya! Although at the same time, picking one distro and sticking with it would be a good move in my opinion. Though linux is about choice, having the company choose a standard isn't all that bad. If it is the butt-ugly unfriendly Gnome, so be it. At least Novell will be drawing a line in the sand and supporting that standard. Then their efforts won't be split between the two major desktops. ...enough ranting. -- kai www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part
I have yet gotten my DVD to work properly on my system. I am running the 64 bit version. It is extremely stubborn in playing any type of movies cd video or DVD. Can you explain how you did it? TIA Chadley Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:08 -0500, Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:11:25 +0200, you wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote:
[snippage]
We still got our opinions, it is still not patent infringment to talk. Maybe you gonna porpose to your congress representative a law against free opinion.
I was perorating about switching to closed tech like windows. I wanted my message to be a signal that SUSE is not SuSE.
Actually it's a signal that you're an idiot.
LOL!! I'd say!
Mike-
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Well let me add a few c's
I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ...
On my servers I have built and loaded 24 so far and have had tiny issues more based on my lack of know how, but I can say that there are no issues, Since Novel in SA has 101 stories not to provide me with the DVD, I have been happily camping with 10 on CD, There are a few missing packages on the CD's that you can only find on the DVD (which I lack) and I am sure vise versa.
All in all 10 is 10 times better than 9.3, and it is faster by far.
If anything is broken it is the Service pack for the new NLD. :)
Chadley
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:55:43 -0500, you wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote:
A not at all happy SUSE camper.
It's amazing how some people have all the problems, while most of us have none.
Well, it's quite obvious to me, that SUSE's problem distribution process is broken. ;-)
They should outsource it to the group that distributes potholes over the eastern seaboard of the US. My son and I have worked out the logistics of the group by observation - it involves helicopters, trucks, and black-clad work crews working six days a week. The factory where they manufacture the potholes is in Philadelphia (If you've ever driven there, you know) and R&D is done in Queens, NY. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:34:14 +0200, you wrote:
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.
[much junk snipped] I only found one bug in SuSE 10 (In the installer. It's a show stopper for me on servers but doesn't effect my desktops) - aside from that I think it may be the best release since 9.2. Multimedia works so well I can finally stop booting to windows to listen to music! Seriously fast, all of my USB stuff (finally!) works properly. I didn't even have to tweak too much to make my network stuff work properly (I live on my lan, even my home directory is on a server) If you can't make this work you shouldn't be trying to use a computer. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
On Thursday 24 November 2005 12:08, Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:34:14 +0200, you wrote:
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.
[much junk snipped]
I only found one bug in SuSE 10 (In the installer. It's a show stopper for me on servers but doesn't effect my desktops) - aside from that I
Mike, whats that bug. I'm planning to build 6 new servers next few days, so any input will be welcome. Cheers -- Sunny
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:19:52 -0600, you wrote:
On Thursday 24 November 2005 12:08, Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:34:14 +0200, you wrote:
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.
[much junk snipped]
I only found one bug in SuSE 10 (In the installer. It's a show stopper for me on servers but doesn't effect my desktops) - aside from that I
Mike, whats that bug. I'm planning to build 6 new servers next few days, so any input will be welcome.
Cheers -- Sunny
There's a size wraparound when you create an LVM with the installer - it won't go above something like 1.5 Tb (I forget the exact number, but it's smaller than I need). It can be worked around, but I worry about things like being able to remember how to adjust for quirks during a panic rebuild after a meltdown. I'm just going to keep using 9.3 on my servers until the next version. If it's not fixed by then (it has been reported), then that will be useful data about Novell & SuSE and I'll see about changing distros or something. 9.3 is pretty decent for servers (aside from a Samba error that no one - even the Samba dev mailing list - can help me track down) Seems there's always one bug in every version... As long as it's not a show stopper though, it's not windows! Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
On Thursday 24 November 2005 16:06, Michael W Cocke wrote:
There's a size wraparound when you create an LVM with the installer - it won't go above something like 1.5 Tb (I forget the exact number, but it's smaller than I need). It can be worked around, but I worry
Mike-
OK, then I'm safe for now :) Thanks -- Sunny
Michael W Cocke
There's a size wraparound when you create an LVM with the installer - it won't go above something like 1.5 Tb (I forget the exact number, but it's smaller than I need). It can be worked around, but I worry about things like being able to remember how to adjust for quirks during a panic rebuild after a meltdown. I'm just going to keep using 9.3 on my servers until the next version. If it's not fixed by then (it has been reported), then that will be useful data about Novell & SuSE and I'll see about changing distros or something. 9.3 is pretty decent for servers (aside from a Samba error that no one - even the Samba dev mailing list - can help me track down) Seems there's always one bug in every version... As long as it's not a show stopper though, it's not windows!
Did you report this in our bugzilla? Without a bugreport, the engineers will not have it on their todo list and take care of it for the next release. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi all, I have often experienced that there are no "Exported Directories" displayed in KDE under: "1. YaST - Network Services - 2. NFS Client Configuration - 3. Add - 4. NFS Server Hostname - & then - 5. Remote File System" - Select button's selection window. It is not there irrespective of the correct IP address (or Hostname) entered as "NFS Server Hostname". Sometimes after a reboot, the NFS-Server offers the exported directories. After some time (even weeks), however, without any system reboots on any of the systems, the NFS-Server exported directories sometimes become unavailable. On the client side some RFC error is delivered when I issue the mount command to list them. Could this happen when somewhere along the line some network connections are lost and then reconnected; like a cable pulled from and reconnected to the LAN switch? Nothing else is upset by such breaks and reconnects. This problem with the NFS instability was present ever since I used SuSE 8.2 through all the versions till my newest Novell SUSE Linux 10.0 purchased version. The Samba shares are very stable on the same systems. Any help is appreciated. :-) Al
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:11:50 +0100, you wrote:
Michael W Cocke
writes: There's a size wraparound when you create an LVM with the installer - it won't go above something like 1.5 Tb (I forget the exact number, but it's smaller than I need). It can be worked around, but I worry about things like being able to remember how to adjust for quirks during a panic rebuild after a meltdown. I'm just going to keep using 9.3 on my servers until the next version. If it's not fixed by then (it has been reported), then that will be useful data about Novell & SuSE and I'll see about changing distros or something. 9.3 is pretty decent for servers (aside from a Samba error that no one - even the Samba dev mailing list - can help me track down) Seems there's always one bug in every version... As long as it's not a show stopper though, it's not windows!
Did you report this in our bugzilla? Without a bugreport, the engineers will not have it on their todo list and take care of it for the next release.
Cheers, Andreas
Yes - I don't have the number handy but it was filed and followed up. Something about perl bindings, as I recall. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
On Thursday 24 November 2005 16:34, SuSE Ground Zero wrote:
- despite being much faster this suse release is so damn cripled that is feeling like 7.3 edition
In which respect? Aside from mulimedia codecs, which has always been an issue, I can't think what has been crippled
- the dvd disc is not bootable
Yes it is, but ever since suse switched to DVDs in the first place, there are people who have problems with it. But if you have the box, you also have CDs
- find out the Novell was loosing expensive devel time to block apps and libs from running ok, even trying to compile new libraries was much harder
What on earth are you talking about?
- mp3 decoding is way wrong
No it isn't
- even ac3 decoding or a52lib is imposible to get even I had legal copies of dvd movies.
And this is new how exactly?
- amarok with helix plugin is getting shity quality even with high end sound sistems
No
- multimedia is so cripled that I am thinking for the first time in 10 years to switch to windows
Bull! There is absolutely nothing new with this, and the solution (packman) is the same as it has been for many years
- multimedia support is even better in windows nt4.0
Er, no it isn't. Not even out of the box
Novell, drop out the linux business, I never saw such a regress in linux development since SuSE was bought by you.
Troll. Novell has exactly nothing to do with the boxed products. It's still being developed by the exact same people as before
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:34:14 +0200
SuSE Ground Zero
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.
Anyway the final conclusion was: - despite being much faster this suse release is so damn cripled that is feeling like 7.3 edition - the dvd disc is not bootable, used an old 9.3 to start grub I have booted the DVD on 2 completely different systems, my home system and my system at work which is an HP business desktop system. I've also booted from the CD on my laptop which does not have a multi-layer capable DVD.
I've had few minor problems (all of which I mentioned earlier):
The Jpilot colors do not work under KDE (jpilot does work fine
otherwise).
Power control is a bit flaky on the business desktop sometimes the
scree saver does not kick in, sometimes the screen shutdown does not
work - but that might be more of a config issue.
The pdf plugin does not work with Firefox if it is a symlink. Running
the Adobe plugin installer solves this problem.
I'm very happy with 10.0. I bought the boxed set although I can get it
free.
--
Jerry Feldman
On Thursday 24 November 2005 07:34 am, SuSE Ground Zero wrote:
Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.
Sigh... and I thought all the fscking wintrolls were on usenet in COLA...
Anyway the final conclusion was: - I can't install anything because I can't read English instructions - the dvd disc is not bootable, from my 4x CD-ROM drive on my PIII/630 -mp3 decoding works for most but not me because I'm too stupid to read instructions (see #1)
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This policy of not upseting anyone, except Microsoft luzers like me who can't believe that our God, Bill the Gates really can't code afterall.
All your bases are belong to us
Bye,
Another wellp-paid Microsoft Employee troll.
I fixxored your post. HTH HAND FOAD -- kai www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part
Anyway the final conclusion was: - despite being much faster this suse release is so damn cripled that is feeling like 7.3 edition
I did not think that the 7.3 version was too horrible. Now it was either 8.0 or 8.1 that really gave me heartburn.
- the dvd disc is not bootable, used an old 9.3 to start grub
This may be a bad disc or incorrectly configured drive. I think that Novell will replace the DVD if defective.
- find out the Novell was loosing expensive devel time to block apps and libs from running ok, even trying to compile new libraries was much harder
I was able to successfully compile the libdvdcss2 rpm without any issues. Have not done anything else as of yet. Still trying to play catch up. Was away for a while and trying to get back into the swing of things.
- mp3 decoding is way wrong
AFAIK, the is no mp3 decoding with 10! You have to install the non-crippled versions from a repository such as packman in order to get this to work.
- even ac3 decoding or a52lib is imposible to get even I had legal copies of dvd movies.
Have not tried to do this yet. So I cannot comment on this.
- amarok with helix plugin is getting shity quality even with high end sound sistems
Not sure on this. I have not used either one yet so I cannot comment on this.
- multimedia is so cripled that I am thinking for the first time in 10 years to switch to windows
Agree that multimedia in SUSE is hosed but it can be fixed. Once you know what rpm's you need, just make a CD/DVD with the necessary packages and install them. You will still need things to get stuff to work in Windows as well. Better be careful, some of the "free" codecs that you will need have spyware and adware bundled with them.
- multimedia support is even better in windows nt4.0
As a former MCSE with NT4, I can say that no this statement is definately false.
- all the studies regarding desktop usability and multimedia vs. windows are true
Which studies are you referring to?? Anyone know what studies the OP was referring to??
This policy of not upseting anyone, especially Microsoft is a closer look on what software devel will be un USA. Just a big consortium of universal consense going nowhere but down.
I think that you are a bit confused here! Some of the things especially mp3 support was removed because of legal issues and M$ had nothing to do with that. Some formats M$ did develop. Others, they did not. Please make sure that you know what you are referring to.
Novell, drop out the linux business, I never saw such a regress in linux development since SuSE was bought by you.
With some of the patent laws that got passed, Novell may not have had a choice. Well they could have paid the licensing fees and passed the cost onto the end users. Then there would be a flaming thread about the cost jumping throught the roof! Cannot have it both ways. Novell I am sure had to make a decision.
I am switch back to 9.3 on all my desktops, i am not planning to implement SuSE 10 on any server.
Whatever works for you. If 9.3 made you happy, then go for it.
I am looking toward another Linux distro - maybe SUPER.
That is what freedom of choice is all about.
Waiting to see if Novell is going to release some multimedia packs in YOU, like in 9.3.
What Novell could maybe do is like something I was referring to in the above. They can put for purchase a pack that will let SUSE do most of what the original poster wanted. It may not be very cost effective though. Not sure. But last I looked, the licensing fees for mp3 was kind of steep.
Bye,
Have fun!
A not at all happy SUSE camper.
Well we cannot do anything to change that. If you are soo inclinded to voice such an opinion, then please write to your politicians in your country and voice your displeasure at them for allowing such laws to come into effect that forced Novell to make this change.
On Friday 25 Nov 2005 16:33, Marshall Heartley wrote:
Anyway the final conclusion was: - despite being much faster this suse release is so damn cripled that
large snippage.. Surley the real safe way to solve this problem is to completely can mp3 files and switch to the open format of ogg i gave up on mp3 a long while ago almost as soon as ogg became useable in fact i still have a few mp3's bu am in the process of moving everything to ogg do like wise then you aint got no problem have you eh! and as for DVD playback whats the problem i got suse 10.0. retail playing dvd's within about 20 mins of the install finish .. I know it would be nice if Suse had dvd and mp3 included but it aint gunna happen and about winDoZe yea whatever load of drivelle nt4 hum if that rocks your boat then take a hike back to it is my suggestion .. Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA
What did you have to install to get the DVD to play? Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Friday 25 Nov 2005 16:33, Marshall Heartley wrote:
Anyway the final conclusion was: - despite being much faster this suse release is so damn cripled that
large snippage..
Surley the real safe way to solve this problem is to completely can mp3 files and switch to the open format of ogg i gave up on mp3 a long while ago almost as soon as ogg became useable in fact i still have a few mp3's bu am in the process of moving everything to ogg do like wise then you aint got no problem have you eh! and as for DVD playback whats the problem i got suse 10.0. retail playing dvd's within about 20 mins of the install finish ..
I know it would be nice if Suse had dvd and mp3 included but it aint gunna happen and about winDoZe yea whatever load of drivelle nt4 hum if that rocks your boat then take a hike back to it is my suggestion ..
Pete .
-- Joseph Loo jloo@acm.org
On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 15:27, Joseph Loo wrote:
What did you have to install to get the DVD to play?
Hi .. to get DVD's to play on 10.0 i installed the following.. kaffeine-0.7.1-3.pm.0.x86_64.rpm libdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.bz2 libdvdplay-1.0.1.tar.bz2 libdvdread-0.9.4.tar.gz libxine1-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm libxine1-xvmc-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm note this is a 64 bit AMD box but the stuff fro 32 bit is on ther same site i used packman links2linux to locate the files .. last time i looked they were available for 32 bit as well .. as for mp3 playback on xmms i installed xmms-mad.tar.gz xmms-mp3-1.2.10.lvn.3.4-i386.rpm xmms-mp3-1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr.x86_64.rpm althou i am not sure if all the xmms files are needed.. hope this helps .. i will try to get the files above onto one of my web sites in the next day or so i will then publish the link on here .. Cheers pete .
-- Joseph Loo jloo@acm.org
-- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA
On Saturday 26 November 2005 11:19 am, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 15:27, Joseph Loo wrote:
What did you have to install to get the DVD to play?
Hi .. to get DVD's to play on 10.0 i installed the following..
kaffeine-0.7.1-3.pm.0.x86_64.rpm libdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.bz2 libdvdplay-1.0.1.tar.bz2 libdvdread-0.9.4.tar.gz libxine1-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm libxine1-xvmc-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm
in this day in age should this work out of the box
* boricua
in this day in age should this work out of the box
Unfortunately 'should' does not equate to 'legal'. Suggest you read the exhaustive discussions recently on this list about why this is NOT possible, then contact your elected representative and lobby for recension of the pertinent laws. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 16:13, boricua wrote:
On Saturday 26 November 2005 11:19 am, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 15:27, Joseph Loo wrote:
What did you have to install to get the DVD to play?
Hi .. to get DVD's to play on 10.0 i installed the following..
kaffeine-0.7.1-3.pm.0.x86_64.rpm libdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.bz2 libdvdplay-1.0.1.tar.bz2 libdvdread-0.9.4.tar.gz libxine1-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm libxine1-xvmc-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm
in this day in age should this work out of the box
If you have the funds of M$ Corp then yes and if you got the nod from the entertainment industry then also yes but dont forget we are talking Linux here not exactly the darling of the above mentioned con men cus they cant control us they try to cripple us with crappy rules and s**t and guess what they aint gonna win not no way no how which is why i say we should all bin mp3 and use ogg that way we are totaly out of there grasp then we need a new open source free format for dvd's that they cant control i do not know how maybe win over the one that owns the rights to the presesent system and get him/them to withdraw all rights to use it bit p[ie in the sky but you never know after all pigs do fly (if you kick them hard enough ;_) ) Cheers Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA
On 26/11/05, Peter Nikolic
If you have the funds of M$ Corp then yes and if you got the nod from the entertainment industry then also yes but dont forget we are talking Linux here not exactly the darling of the above mentioned con men cus they cant control us they try to cripple us with crappy rules and s**t and guess what they aint gonna win not no way no how which is why i say we should all bin mp3 and use ogg that way we are totaly out of there grasp then we need a new open source free format for dvd's that they cant control i do not know how maybe win over the one that owns the rights to the presesent system and get him/them to withdraw all rights to use it bit p[ie in the sky but you never know after all pigs do fly (if you kick them hard enough ;_) )
Cheers Pete .
I agree that we should all use the ogg format. The trouble with that is how many small form factor ogg players are there about? Now, how many small form factor mp3 players are there? Tens of thousands. It's all very well standing up for justice but in doing so, in this case, we in the UK have a very good saying. It's called cutting one's nose off to spite one's face. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On 26/11/05, Peter Nikolic
wrote: If you have the funds of M$ Corp then yes and if you got the nod from
On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 17:12, Kevanf1 wrote: pruned
I agree that we should all use the ogg format. The trouble with that is how many small form factor ogg players are there about? Now, how many small form factor mp3 players are there? Tens of thousands. It's all very well standing up for justice but in doing so, in this case, we in the UK have a very good saying. It's called cutting one's nose off to spite one's face.
-- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer
Linux user #373362
34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Hi Kevan yes wel fortunatley i have no mp3 player in the sense of a portable job and cant see i would ever buy one either but somehow somewhere sometime the stand has got to be made against the use of things like mp3 and any other format that cant be freely and openely used .. Cheers Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA
On Saturday 26 November 2005 17:12, Kevanf1 wrote:
I agree that we should all use the ogg format. The trouble with that is how many small form factor ogg players are there about?
There are several good SFF ogg players around (eg iAudio) - you need to look for that feature, and support the manufacturers who provide it. If you say "I want ogg, but I'll take mp3 instead", what incentive is there for manufacturers to add ogg playback? -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD
On 27/11/05, Kevin Donnelly
On Saturday 26 November 2005 17:12, Kevanf1 wrote:
I agree that we should all use the ogg format. The trouble with that is how many small form factor ogg players are there about?
There are several good SFF ogg players around (eg iAudio) - you need to look for that feature, and support the manufacturers who provide it. If you say "I want ogg, but I'll take mp3 instead", what incentive is there for manufacturers to add ogg playback?
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Pob hwyl / Best wishes
Kevin Donnelly
www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD
Hi Kevin. I did Google search on the iAudio. There are some very nice players but... the price is horrendous when compared to similar mp3 players. I looked mainly at flash players. I can get a 128mb flash mp3 player for about £14. The equivalent iAudio player comes in at around £69. You may be able to find cheaper but the difference is still going to be massive. I'm basing this on an average music lover who is looking for a cheap portable player. I personally am not in the market for an ogg or mp3 player - I rarely listen to music any more. My son wanted a portable player the other week. He is now the owner of a Creative Zen 20gb drive. It's an mp3 player of course and the cost? £120 from Komplett UK. I do not know if it supports ogg but I do know it supports the wma standard. :-( -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Saturday 26 November 2005 11:37, Peter Nikolic wrote:
i say we should all bin mp3 and use ogg that way we are totaly out of there grasp
An excellent suggestion. I made the decision maybe 2 years ago (can't remember exactly) to use ogg exclusively for all new music files. I haven't missed mp3 at all. In fact ogg probably sounds better. My preferred command is: oggenc infile.wav -q 9 out.ogg Unfortunately I have a high number of older music files in mp3 format. As time permits I go back to the original CDs and re-rip to ogg, but I have not made much progress. Until now I have enjoyed "out of the box" mp3 playing with the SuSE retail version. I am very disappointed by its removal. I think most retail customers would willingly pay a small amount added to the price of each box to cover the mp3 patent fees. Bryan ******************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 9.2 Professional KDE 3.3.0 KMail 1.7.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ********************************************************
Cause I am the OP I might feel justified to add: Bottom line: - seeing all these insults I got I might feel justified to conclude this whole thread and thanks all the people aside me, however those insult were the sign that something is wrong with some people education and culture - never saw so much ado about multimedia stuff, also never saw a lawsuit against fraunhoffer or else using lame nor mp3lib - there is no resolution outside refusing to get such support inside a paid version, for the fear that Novell could get a lawsuit, I would like to pay the initial price of 89 EURO to get proper support - I wil not use any kind of software repositories other than official ones: could not find kdemultimedia-mad nor kdemultimedia-arts-mad on those sites - After extensive debuging I was able to compile and run MPlayer with libavcodec and xvid and liba52, still no resolution in amarok either with mp3 either with ogg, principal cause -> helix plugin is shit and sounds also like shit. - Preloading s cool
On Friday 25 Nov 2005 16:33, Marshall Heartley wrote:
Anyway the final conclusion was:
Drat previous post looks like it will land in the worn place on the thread slight frellup folks .. Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA
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