* Bruce Marshall [04-07-03 18:39]:

On Monday 07 April 2003 19:10 pm, Landy Roman wrote:

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"The new millennium quickly brought two terrible new crimes, added to the gloomy record of persisting ones. The first was 911 and the second was the United States response to them"

Should we turn the other cheek??????

I think you should take your sig to some other medium unless you want to debate the issue.

Agreed. *THIS* is not the proper channel. Proud to be an American! -- Patrick Shanahan Please avoid TOFU and trim >quotes< http://wahoo.no-ip.org Registered Linux User #207535 icq#173753138 @ http://counter.li.org Linux, a continuous *learning* experience

On Monday 07 April 2003 20:33 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Patrick Shanahan (WideGlide@MyRealBox.com) [030407 17:07]: ->* Bruce Marshall [04-07-03 18:39]: ->> On Monday 07 April 2003 19:10 pm, Landy Roman wrote: ->> > ->> > "The new millennium quickly brought two terrible new crimes, added to ->> > the gloomy record of persisting ones. ->> > The first was 911 and the second was the United States response to ->> > them" ->> ->> Should we turn the other cheek?????? ->> ->> I think you should take your sig to some other medium unless you want to ->> debate the issue. -> ->Agreed. *THIS* is not the proper channel.

I think his sig can be whatever the damn hell he wants it to be. And it has nothing to do with not being a proud American. If you don't like his sig ignore it..this is an "International list". The redneck response of " if you decent, your un-American " is a bunch of hog wash..I bet the Nazi's and Mr. Hussein told their people that decention was unpatriotic..oh wait they didn't..they just killed them. Read the Constitution before you spout off in public about a sig file again.

This is general response to anyone who believes in selectively interpreting the Constitution ..it's not OK as long as you agree with what's said. It's OK because others died to make it so.

/end rant

Ok, agreed +++++ Ben Rosenberg is a total whacko.... checkout his email address +++

On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:33:36 -0700 Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Patrick Shanahan (WideGlide@MyRealBox.com) [030407 17:07]: ->* Bruce Marshall [04-07-03 18:39]: ->> On Monday 07 April 2003 19:10 pm, Landy Roman wrote: ->> > ->> > "The new millennium quickly brought two terrible new crimes, added to ->> > the gloomy record of persisting ones. ->> > The first was 911 and the second was the United States response to ->> > them" ->> ->> Should we turn the other cheek?????? ->> ->> I think you should take your sig to some other medium unless you want to ->> debate the issue. -> ->Agreed. *THIS* is not the proper channel.

I think his sig can be whatever the damn hell he wants it to be. And it has nothing to do with not being a proud American. If you don't like his sig ignore it..this is an "International list". The redneck response of " if you decent, your un-American " is a bunch of hog wash..I bet the Nazi's and Mr. Hussein told their people that decention was unpatriotic..oh wait they didn't..they just killed them. Read the Constitution before you spout off in public about a sig file again.

This is general response to anyone who believes in selectively interpreting the Constitution ..it's not OK as long as you agree with what's said. It's OK because others died to make it so.

/end rant --

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE THE BUSH DOCTRINE... IF THEY DONT LIKE WHAT YOU SAY THEY WANT TO KILL YOU.... VIVA FRANCIA!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't debating anyone. I was simply stating what was on my mind in response to what two other people said. And I'll make a deal with you. I'll "debate" this elsewhere if you figure out how to use the reply to button on your GUI email client or simply realize that if I'm on the list there is no bloody reason to CC me. Got it. ;) * Paul Alfille (palfille@earthlink.net) [030407 18:59]: ->Could you please keep your comments to the 1-wire topic? -> ->Your sig being off-topic is expected, but the baiting comments ->are niether interesting, nor well reasoned. If you can't find people ->to debate you on usenet, you aren't really trying. -> ->Paul Alfille -> ->> > -- ->> ->> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ->> ->> THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE THE BUSH DOCTRINE... IF THEY DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ->> SAY THEY WANT TO KILL YOU.... ->> ->> ->> VIVA FRANCIA!!!!!!!!! -> -> ->-- ->Check the headers for your unsubscription address ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com ->Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com -> -> -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.

On Monday 07 April 2003 20:38, Landy Roman wrote:

VIVA FRANCIA!!!!!!!!

Those wusses? They folded in 6 weeks. Do you know how many times they counterattacked? Once. It went 5 miles! We had to go over and bail out their sorry behinds at incredible loss of American lives. And we ask them for a little support now, and this is the thanks we get. Those sorry wusses, if the world depended on them for protection, we'd have all been dead long ago. Jean-Pierre Raffarin would let Saddam come over to Paris and hold his head in the toilet. *************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 8.0 Professional KDE 3.0.0 KMail 1.4 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************************

* Ben Rosenberg (ben@whack.org) [030407 17:36]: -> ->I think his sig can be whatever the damn hell he wants it to be. And it ->has nothing to do with not being a proud American. If you don't like ->his sig ignore it..this is an "International list". The redneck response ->of " if you decent, your un-American " is a bunch of hog wash..I bet the ->Nazi's and Mr. Hussein told their people that decention was ->unpatriotic..oh wait they didn't..they just killed them. Read the ->Constitution before you spout off in public about a sig file again. -> ->This is general response to anyone who believes in selectively ->interpreting the Constitution ..it's not OK as long as you agree with ->what's said. It's OK because others died to make it so. Just to clarify. The above is a statement about American rights and the freedoms that the Constitution gives us. It's not in support of any partisian doctrine either way. It was a statement of equality. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.

Hey all you americans on this list involved in this topic: You are right and you are wrong or whatsoever. PLEASE < PLEASE > PLEASE go back to the last part of this subject eg: SuSE 8.2 Much appreciated: Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. (where the hell is that?). My holy cow is a penguin. On Monday 07 April 2003 14:17, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Tuesday 08 April 2003 02:46, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Just to clarify. The above is a statement about American rights and the freedoms that the Constitution gives us.

I think you have that the wrong way round. The constitution doesn't "give" Americans anything, it restrict(s|ed) what the government of the United States can do.

This list is about suse linux and I wish it would stay at least remotely on topic.

That's all I'll say on this topic, because I'm afraid that if I replied to the posts from Mr. Lemay in the manner in which they deserve, I'd be banned

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* John LeMay (jlemay@njmc.com) [030407 17:51]: -> ->My turn. The "sig" in question seems to be little more than an attempt ->to have an "extreme opinion". It is however offensive to anyone effected ->by the events of September 11 2001. How dare anyone compare the ->retalitory acts of our govenment to an unprovoked attack on thousands of ->innocent business men and women. The thought is absurd, but the fact ->that anyone could agree with it is even more absurd. While I may not ->agree with every decision made by our government in the past I certainly ->respect and support our government and stand by the men and women who ->fight to protect this country. Perhaps anyone who lives in the US and ->feels different should find a new home. You missed my point. Doesn't matter if you or I or anyone else agrees or disagrees with it. It's about free speech. I have some options that are way the hell out there about things *cough*death of microsoft*cough* and I get looked like I'm insane all the time. He's free to say what he likes and we are free to put him in a killfile if we so choose but to say that he can't say what he wants smacks in the face of the Constitution. I don't personally agree with his statement but he can say WTF he wants and I can take it or leave it. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.

Just got back from 2 weeks with the new Mandrake. It's pretty slick looking with the new Galaxy theme. I'm back at SuSE of course and waiting for my 8.2 to ship. Just a fast report for anyone: My system would not power off no matter what I did. I reconfigured the kernel. Did the APM in and out stuff etc. I think this may be a problem with harware detection, not the kernel. Also on install I checked everything and was still missing half the packages. Their Web site is madness and they have 3-4 forums hidden in it is you put the "s" on mandrakeuser(s) or not: weird. Excellent hardware detection and configuration with SuSE as always

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 tisdagen den 8 april 2003 03.13 skrev John LeMay: ,

Actually, I didn't miss your point at all. I knew exactly what you were getting at, and I agree to a point. I had to try hard to not bring up the First Amendment (aka Freedom of Speech) when wording my note. While I support the First Amendment, no where in the amendment does it indicate that the amendment can be used as a "catch all" for allowing people to make whatever rediculous statement they want. There are times when it just doesn't apply. For example, statements regarding bringing harm to any person or persons - especially a certain high ranking US official - are always investigated. The people making those statements are typically detained for at least some amount of time. Truth is you can say what you want, but you still have to suffer the concequencies if you say something really stupid. Personally, I thought the sig in question was one of those statements.

AFAIK the US constitution does not apply to the internet. Or is it an amendment to some RFC you are talking about? Olle - -- War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left. Registered Linux User 61169 http://counter.li.org Books just wanna be FREE! See what I mean at: http://bookcrossing.com/friend/Olle -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+kmMAemTnENN6pasRAvcwAJ94Up4HWMKBwg6KkY34jP+HUIDS7gCfb4+y G1gO6j3WSiLcEWyWuRmJrgU= =r3wY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:49:59 -0400, John LeMay wrote:

It is however offensive to anyone effected by the events of September 11 2001. How dare anyone compare the retalitory acts of our govenment to an unprovoked attack on thousands of innocent business men and women.

Your opinion. And you are entitled to your opinion. Not everyone agrees. Are they not entitled to their opinions? The events which lie behind this wildly off-topic thread have all happened for reasons. And no one can honestly claim to seek peace who discounts the motivations of his opponents. That said, I think it's way past time to give this topic a rest. This is completely the wrong place for it. -- David Benfell, LCP benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html

I think what you are saying is fine to a point, but perhaps better voiced in a political forum. I've been serving in the US military since 1966 (started as an E-1 and currently an O-6), have willing served during three wars to date, and believe that one of the reasons I so do is to protect those special privileges guaranteed by our Constitution, but I don't think this site is the place for all this bickering. Could we perhaps move it off line. dave Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Patrick Shanahan (WideGlide@MyRealBox.com) [030407 17:07]: ->* Bruce Marshall [04-07-03 18:39]: ->> On Monday 07 April 2003 19:10 pm, Landy Roman wrote: ->> > ->> > "The new millennium quickly brought two terrible new crimes, added to ->> > the gloomy record of persisting ones. ->> > The first was 911 and the second was the United States response to ->> > them" ->> ->> Should we turn the other cheek?????? ->> ->> I think you should take your sig to some other medium unless you want to ->> debate the issue. -> ->Agreed. *THIS* is not the proper channel.

I think his sig can be whatever the damn hell he wants it to be. And it has nothing to do with not being a proud American. If you don't like his sig ignore it..this is an "International list". The redneck response of " if you decent, your un-American " is a bunch of hog wash..I bet the Nazi's and Mr. Hussein told their people that decention was unpatriotic..oh wait they didn't..they just killed them. Read the Constitution before you spout off in public about a sig file again.

This is general response to anyone who believes in selectively interpreting the Constitution ..it's not OK as long as you agree with what's said. It's OK because others died to make it so.

/end rant

-- David C. Johanson Linux Counter # 116410 Powered by SuSE Linux 7.1 People who behold a phenomenon will often extend their thinking beyond it; people who merely hear about the phenomenon will not be moved to think at all. -- Goethe

On Monday 07 April 2003 20:33, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

The redneck response

Standing up for America is not a "redneck response." You just showed yourself to be even smaller-minded than those you are trying to criticize. Of course the jackass has the right to post any inflammatory garbage he wants. No one is "selectively enforcing the Constitutiton." The point is, there is no reason to set off a political flame war on a Linux list. *************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 8.0 Professional KDE 3.0.0 KMail 1.4 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************************

This kind of post should have been sent off list. Enough already. Dee -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Tyson [mailto:bryantyson@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:33 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] I thought you had more sense Ben On Monday 07 April 2003 20:33, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

The redneck response

Standing up for America is not a "redneck response." You just showed yourself to be even smaller-minded than those you are trying to criticize. Of course the jackass has the right to post any inflammatory garbage he wants. No one is "selectively enforcing the Constitutiton." The point is, there is no reason to set off a political flame war on a Linux list. *************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 8.0 Professional KDE 3.0.0 KMail 1.4 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************************

On Monday 07 April 2003 19:36, Landy wrote:

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"The new millennium quickly brought two terrible new crimes, added to the gloomy record of persisting ones. The first was 911 and the second was the United States response to them"

And the third was Landy posting that creep's garbage on a list that is supposed to be about Linux. *************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 8.0 Professional KDE 3.0.0 KMail 1.4 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************************

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I'm sorry. I am an American. I don't doubt that most Iraqi's will benefit from this war, but I see no reason for us having started it. It would have been more reasonable for us to hit North Korea. 'Nuf said. --doug

agree

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I'm sorry. I am an American.

me to

The way I'm reading this, is you're saying you're sorry he's an American. If this is so, I'm just sorry there's people like you who foul the air we breathe with your presence and have to stoop to crap like what you posted. In my seven or eight years of using computers, you're the *second* person I've ever plonked/filtered out, and what saddens me the worst is that other one was in this mailing list too, of which I am very proud to be able to read and once in a while try to contribute or ask for help. <sigh> John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+k9AjH5oDXyLKXKQRAl4qAJwKlfMibg3l9hS14Hgv5FXUsk274QCffAWk CEKa0qkQ6uTZCQij96zxZD0= =OESK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Wednesday 09 April 2003 09:33, Fergus Wilde wrote:

On Wednesday 09 April 2003 08:47, John wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 April 2003 21:10, David Herman wrote:

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I'm sorry. I am an American.

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The way I'm reading this,

Please drop this thread. I has nothing whatever to do with SuSE Linux. Sorry this should of course read 'It has nothing whatever to do with SuSE Linux. But I still wish this could be dropped now.

is you're saying you're sorry he's an American.

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If this is so, I'm just sorry there's people like you who foul the air we breathe with your presence and have to stoop to crap like what you posted. In my seven or eight years of using computers, you're the *second* person I've ever plonked/filtered out, and what saddens me the worst is that other one was in this mailing list too, of which I am very proud to be able to read and once in a while try to contribute or ask for help. <sigh>

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:47 am, John wrote:

On Tuesday 08 April 2003 21:10, David Herman wrote:

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I'm sorry. I am an American.

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The way I'm reading this, is you're saying you're sorry he's an American. If this is so, I'm just sorry there's people like you who foul the air we breathe with your presence and have to stoop to crap like what you posted. In my seven or eight years of using computers, you're the *second* person I've ever plonked/filtered out, and what saddens me the worst is that other one was in this mailing list too, of which I am very proud to be able to read and once in a while try to contribute or ask for help. <sigh>

I saw the line in his message and couldn't resist the humor. It wasf a tongue in cheek response to a thread that has gone on way to long. Assuming he's an american I'm glad for him as he seems well adjusted and socially responsible. The flipside of my comment is related to the fact that I'm an american and feel disappointed that when people in the future look back at american culture I'll be judged by the actions of my government and a society that lives by the ideal that he with the bigger stick has the right and obligation to do whatever they want. Thanks, I've never been plonked before :-) see ya - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+lDVMBwgxlylUsJARAv9KAKCafN7yd3Cor0gFEFSysv6xFL5TYQCfYGd2 mlFcwujPkvbfQggCXQjohCE= =TGU5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 10:04:57AM -0500, David Krider wrote:

Wow. What a time to join this list. Looks like a lot of fun.

Welcome :) Usually it's not this much 'fun', but it seems like there's general agreement that every new release of SuSE mandates a couple of flamewars... Normally they'd center on (the lack of) iso-images, and then deteriorate into SuSE=M$ moneygrabbing-bast*rds-that-they-are, and so on and *so* forth... but, hey, 8.2 isn't out yet, so we can still have that one !-) Those threads do tend to die out in a couple of days, and we're back to the same old dreary high-volume technical Q&A kind of stuff... but every once in a while we get some *real* pearls. Like last april f.x. we had this one; http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2002-Apr/2471.html starring a real, live, troll... But I've found they can be *educational* too, like how I learned what it means to "godwinate" (which I'm a bit surprised noone has done to *this* one yet ): http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=suse-linux-e&m=103452643408931&w=2 -in the immortal words of Mr. Rosenberg; "Man this neighborhood has gone downhill. :)" cheers, Jon Clausen

* Christopher Mahmood (ckm@suse.com) [030409 10:42]: ->* Jon Clausen (dsl23212@vip.cybercity.dk) [030409 10:01]: ->> Normally they'd center on (the lack of) iso-images, and then deteriorate ->> into SuSE=M$ moneygrabbing-bast*rds-that-they-are, and so on and *so* ->> forth... but, hey, 8.2 isn't out yet, so we can still have that one !-) -> ->And reply-to munging, fascist postmasters, the top-posting sect...I ->was getting worried that SLE was getting down to under 100 messages ->per day but the America über alles thread is showing potential. ->That should keep us going until people get 8.2. Look at it this way. Instead of some moronic user accusing you of being Taliban you can get accused of being a Baath party member...isn't that just to much fun. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.

Curtis Rey wrote:

On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:40 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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America über alles

Rofl :)

Sorry, you've lost me on that acronym :~/ -- JDL Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit.

On Wednesday 09 April 2003 16:51 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John Lamb [04-09-03 15:46]:

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Curtis Rey wrote:

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On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:40 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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America über alles

Rofl :)

Sorry, you've lost me on that acronym :~/

~>: dict rofl

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Curtis Rey wrote:

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On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:40 pm, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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America über alles

Rofl :)

Sorry, you've lost me on that acronym :~/

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torsdagen den 10 april 2003 02.12 skrev Anders Johansson:

Are we close to 100 yet, Chris? I know we're getting close to godwination :)

Would a mention of Adolf Shickelgruber accomplish this? Or does someone have to spell out AH's more wellknown name?

Landy Roman wrote:

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I'm sorry. I am an American. I don't doubt that most Iraqi's will benefit from this war, but I see no reason for us having started it. It would have been more reasonable for us to hit North Korea. 'Nuf said. --doug

agree

agree aussi: Je suis un pro-ame'ricain. Olivier LICHTENBERGER 55, rue du Pdt. Edouard Herriot 69002 LYON France