[opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner

Marc Chamberlin

4 Mar 2013 4 Mar '13

18:39

I decided to get my computers ready for the upcoming new release of openSuSE 12.3 and my approach has been to always install each release in a separate partition. That way I can continue to use the older release(s) until I get the new version up on running. (I have a few servers and other complications that does not make this a simple/easy upgrade process.) Anywise, on a couple of systems, I found I needed to resize and/or move partitions around a bit, on my disk drives. So I trotted over to Yast2 and discovered that the partitioner, that comes as part of its tool set, does not allow one to do either, claiming that it can't because the partitions are already created and in use. Neither does the version of Yast that comes with the installation disk for openSuSE where such capability is most likely going to be required. I found that both rather surprising and frustrating, especially since over in the Windoz world tools like Partition Magic have had that sort of capability for decades now. So I headed off to the internet in search of a better Linux partitioning tool and quickly came across one called GParted. And lo and behold it did exactly what I wanted! Not only that, but it has a nice GUI interface, like Partition Magic that makes it really easy to do. No need to figure out any of the low level details, just drag and drop partitions around and resize them via GUI images. AND I was really impressed by GParted in how careful it was in going about doing resizing and moving partitions around. Lots of testing being done to make sure things would go smoothly before actually making changes. It appears like a LOT of thought has gone into that tool, far more than even Partition Magic which doesn't appear to do nearly the same amount of preliminary testing. I think this is a REALLY FINE tool, from my first humble impressions, and Wikipedia says this tool has been around for about 8 years now... So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool? Why not yank that tool out of Yast and replace it with GParted? Is it because no one has the time/inclination to improve the user experiences with Yast? Or has the knowledge about Yast been lost due to its designers moving on to other places and no one is available/capable to work on improvements to it? If so, then I can understand, and no I cannot volunteer either, I already have too many "volunteered" projects on my plate. I just wonder because this makes Yast appear as if it is really becoming dated. IMHO I think most users would be much happier if Yast guided them to using GParted instead of this archaic and crippled partitioning tool that now comes with Yast2. I won't be using the Yast partitioner any more now that I have discovered GParted, and suspect I may have answered my own question, ;-) but still I am just curious about how much thought has been given to improving the partitioning tool in Yast2.... Marc... -- "The Truth is out there" - Spooky -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Marc Chamberlin

4 Mar 4 Mar

19:16

On 3/4/2013 10:39 AM, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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I decided to get my computers ready for the upcoming new release of openSuSE 12.3 and my approach has been to always install each release in a separate partition. That way I can continue to use the older release(s) until I get the new version up on running. (I have a few servers and other complications that does not make this a simple/easy upgrade process.)

Anywise, on a couple of systems, I found I needed to resize and/or move partitions around a bit, on my disk drives. So I trotted over to Yast2 and discovered that the partitioner, that comes as part of its tool set, does not allow one to do either, claiming that it can't because the partitions are already created and in use. Neither does the version of Yast that comes with the installation disk for openSuSE where such capability is most likely going to be required. I found that both rather surprising and frustrating, especially since over in the Windoz world tools like Partition Magic have had that sort of capability for decades now.

So I headed off to the internet in search of a better Linux partitioning tool and quickly came across one called GParted. And lo and behold it did exactly what I wanted! Not only that, but it has a nice GUI interface, like Partition Magic that makes it really easy to do. No need to figure out any of the low level details, just drag and drop partitions around and resize them via GUI images. AND I was really impressed by GParted in how careful it was in going about doing resizing and moving partitions around. Lots of testing being done to make sure things would go smoothly before actually making changes. It appears like a LOT of thought has gone into that tool, far more than even Partition Magic which doesn't appear to do nearly the same amount of preliminary testing. I think this is a REALLY FINE tool, from my first humble impressions, and Wikipedia says this tool has been around for about 8 years now...

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool? Why not yank that tool out of Yast and replace it with GParted? Is it because no one has the time/inclination to improve the user experiences with Yast? Or has the knowledge about Yast been lost due to its designers moving on to other places and no one is available/capable to work on improvements to it? If so, then I can understand, and no I cannot volunteer either, I already have too many "volunteered" projects on my plate. I just wonder because this makes Yast appear as if it is really becoming dated. IMHO I think most users would be much happier if Yast guided them to using GParted instead of this archaic and crippled partitioning tool that now comes with Yast2.

I won't be using the Yast partitioner any more now that I have discovered GParted, and suspect I may have answered my own question, ;-) but still I am just curious about how much thought has been given to improving the partitioning tool in Yast2.... Marc...

Hmmm I just discovered that there is a mail list dedicated to Yast development - yast-devel@opensuse.org Would that be a better group to post this question to? Marc... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

19:48

On 3/4/2013 10:39 AM, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool? Why not yank that tool out of Yast and replace it with GParted?

Whoa, wall of text to get to this... I think it is because most users partition exactly once, often taking the defaults. Gparted is mostly used for complex tasks such as growing/moving partitions, even though it can handle the mundane easily. Its probably not warranted for 90% of the users, and when you DO need it you are always always booting with a rescue CD anyway. The user experience with yast2 is not all that bad if you ask me. And getting Gparted to look and flow with the rest of Yast2 would be a lot of work for very little gain. I suspect there would be a lot of integration effort. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Marc Chamberlin

23:15

On 3/4/2013 11:48 AM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 3/4/2013 10:39 AM, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool? Why not yank that tool out of Yast and replace it with GParted? Whoa, wall of text to get to this...

I think it is because most users partition exactly once, often taking the defaults. Gparted is mostly used for complex tasks such as growing/moving partitions, even though it can handle the mundane easily. Its probably not warranted for 90% of the users, and when you DO need it you are always always booting with a rescue CD anyway.

The user experience with yast2 is not all that bad if you ask me. And getting Gparted to look and flow with the rest of Yast2 would be a lot of work for very little gain. I suspect there would be a lot of integration effort.

Interesting reply John, and thank you for it. I am not sure I buy your claim about users, given the number of references I have seen by other users in this mail list, in regards to using the Yast partitioner, as well as references I encounter while doing internet searches. But perhaps you have access to data that I don't have that can substantiate your claims.... Where this problem is really likely to surface, is if as you say, a user installs a version of openSuSE using defaults. That is likely to set up a simple partition scheme using all available disk space. Then later, if the user wants to install a new version of openSuSE, and wants to keep the old version(s), then he/she will eventually face the situation of having to re-size and possibly move partitions around. Be all this as it may, I regard Yast as a primary tool for users (myself for example) to start with, to accomplish a set of various and useful system maintenance tasks. In other words it is a guide as well as a collection of tools to help me accomplish these tasks. And your claim that removing the partitioner, that is currently a part of Yast, and replacing it with GParted, may be more difficult to do than it is worth, may well have merit also. What do I know? I am not a Yast developer, just a user with a suggestion on a way I thought would improve it. I guess that what I also found to be objectionable about the Yast partitioner (besides the fact that it wouldn't re-size or move partitions) is that it lied to me when it said that a partition, that has already been created, CANNOT be re sized or moved. I felt that was not likely to be true based on my experience with Windoz partitioners, but I wasn't certain. I know Linux/openSuSE uses different partition formats but I didn't know whether such partitions have some restrictions that I am unaware of. I am not so certain other users will be able to discern this easily either. And it was only because I decided not to give up easily, and go search the internet, that I found GParted and hence thought to make the suggestion to use it instead of the one in Yast. So, if replacing the Yast partitioner is not in the cards, then a simple solution might be to change that error message and simply tell the user that the Yast partitioner cannot handle such operations, but other partitioners, such as GParted can, and that the user should use one of those instead. In this way, the Yast partitioner can easily be modified to act as a better guide for helping (in particular beginning) users find a solution to the problem of re-sizing and/or moving partitions, without having to do major surgery to Yast itself. Easy answer/fix and beneficial to who knows how many/few users.... Marc... P.S. It is interesting to note that it appears that other Linux distro's ( I found references to it being on Ubunto and Debian) are using GParted as their default/supplied partitioner on their Live CDs and on their installation media. Apparently those developers feel it is a good tool for their users to have easy access to, in such situations where a Live CD is being used or an installation is being done. By using Yast, on openSuSE installation media, with it's restricted partitioner, it creates a real limitation where additional partitioning capabilities are most likely needed! Hmmmmm. If I were an openSuSE developer, I would cringe at the thought of having to tell my users that in order to install openSuSE they might have to go get some other distro's Live CD (or perhaps Live GNOME, I dunno if that comes with GParted or not, but even if so, still not a great solution) in order to solve a partitioning issue before openSuSE can be installed..... P.P.S. I am sorry if you do not find me succinct enough and too wordy. I am trying to be thorough and careful in expressing my thoughts. Communication without error/misunderstandings is extremely difficult for me, especially when I might be treading on tender toes... I intend no harm, just wanting to understand and grok why the Yast partitioner is the way it is, and to point out that I hit a sever limitation trying to use it and had to find an answer elsewhere. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

5 Mar 5 Mar

07:20

Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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[snip about gparted]

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool?

Actually, yast uses parted too. Gparted is just the user interface. Gparted presumably does not have a text-mode which YaST requires. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-0.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

09:15

Per Jessen wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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[snip about gparted]

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool?

Actually, yast uses parted too. Gparted is just the user interface. Gparted presumably does not have a text-mode which YaST requires.

Um, that wasn't really very clear. Gparted and YaST both use parted under the covers. Gparted adds a graphical user interface, YaST adds a graphical _and_ a text-mode interface. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

09:44

-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:15:33 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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[snip about gparted]

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool?

Actually, yast uses parted too. Gparted is just the user interface. Gparted presumably does not have a text-mode which YaST requires.

Um, that wasn't really very clear. Gparted and YaST both use parted under the covers. Gparted adds a graphical user interface, YaST adds a graphical _and_ a text-mode interface. -----Original Message----- So, as both yast and gparted are using parted underneath, it seems just that some options are missing in the yast-gui. Just like yast insist that a drive should be partitioned, while sometimes putting a filesystem on a unpartioned drive is good enough.. hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

10:32

Hans Witvliet wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:15:33 +0100

Per Jessen wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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[snip about gparted]

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool?

Actually, yast uses parted too. Gparted is just the user interface. Gparted presumably does not have a text-mode which YaST requires.

Um, that wasn't really very clear.

Gparted and YaST both use parted under the covers. Gparted adds a graphical user interface, YaST adds a graphical _and_ a text-mode interface. -----Original Message-----

So, as both yast and gparted are using parted underneath, it seems just that some options are missing in the yast-gui.

Yes, I guess that is possible. Personally I haven't missed any, but I don't use the yast-gui much.

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Just like yast insist that a drive should be partitioned, while sometimes putting a filesystem on a unpartioned drive is good enough..

Funny, I ran into that just yesterday when I tried to use a whole drive for swap. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

13:45

-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 11:32:26 +0100 Hans Witvliet wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:15:33 +0100

Per Jessen wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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[snip about gparted]

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool?

Actually, yast uses parted too. Gparted is just the user interface. Gparted presumably does not have a text-mode which YaST requires.

Um, that wasn't really very clear.

Gparted and YaST both use parted under the covers. Gparted adds a graphical user interface, YaST adds a graphical _and_ a text-mode interface. -----Original Message-----

So, as both yast and gparted are using parted underneath, it seems just that some options are missing in the yast-gui.

Yes, I guess that is possible. Personally I haven't missed any, but I don't use the yast-gui much.

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Just like yast insist that a drive should be partitioned, while sometimes putting a filesystem on a unpartioned drive is good enough..

Funny, I ran into that just yesterday when I tried to use a whole drive for swap. -----Original Message----- My use-case is with virtual systems: I give my xen-machines four disks: boot, swap, system and data/home. When i want to enlarge a "disk", i just have to resize it on the dom0. On the client it is enough the resize the filesystem __IF__ i can use the raw disk. If i let yast to create a single partition, i have to start-stop the virtual client to re-read the partition table before i can resize the FS. Hence i create machines without /srv, and add it later on. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

14:16

Hans Witvliet wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 11:32:26 +0100

Hans Witvliet wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:15:33 +0100

Per Jessen wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin wrote:

...
[snip about gparted]

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool?

Actually, yast uses parted too. Gparted is just the user interface. Gparted presumably does not have a text-mode which YaST requires.

Um, that wasn't really very clear.

Gparted and YaST both use parted under the covers. Gparted adds a graphical user interface, YaST adds a graphical _and_ a text-mode interface. -----Original Message-----

So, as both yast and gparted are using parted underneath, it seems just that some options are missing in the yast-gui.

Yes, I guess that is possible. Personally I haven't missed any, but I don't use the yast-gui much.

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Just like yast insist that a drive should be partitioned, while sometimes putting a filesystem on a unpartioned drive is good enough..

Funny, I ran into that just yesterday when I tried to use a whole drive for swap.

-----Original Message----- My use-case is with virtual systems: I give my xen-machines four disks: boot, swap, system and data/home. When i want to enlarge a "disk", i just have to resize it on the dom0. On the client it is enough the resize the filesystem __IF__ i can use the raw disk. If i let yast to create a single partition, i have to start-stop the virtual client to re-read the partition table before i can resize the FS.

I guess you have looked at ways of making a running system re-read the partition table? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

15:38

-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 15:16:07 +0100 Hans Witvliet wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 11:32:26 +0100

Hans Witvliet wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Curious about Yast2 Partitioner Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:15:33 +0100

Per Jessen wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin wrote:

...
[snip about gparted]

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool?

Actually, yast uses parted too. Gparted is just the user interface. Gparted presumably does not have a text-mode which YaST requires.

Um, that wasn't really very clear.

Gparted and YaST both use parted under the covers. Gparted adds a graphical user interface, YaST adds a graphical _and_ a text-mode interface. -----Original Message-----

So, as both yast and gparted are using parted underneath, it seems just that some options are missing in the yast-gui.

Yes, I guess that is possible. Personally I haven't missed any, but I don't use the yast-gui much.

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Just like yast insist that a drive should be partitioned, while sometimes putting a filesystem on a unpartioned drive is good enough..

Funny, I ran into that just yesterday when I tried to use a whole drive for swap.

-----Original Message----- My use-case is with virtual systems: I give my xen-machines four disks: boot, swap, system and data/home. When i want to enlarge a "disk", i just have to resize it on the dom0. On the client it is enough the resize the filesystem __IF__ i can use the raw disk. If i let yast to create a single partition, i have to start-stop the virtual client to re-read the partition table before i can resize the FS.

I guess you have looked at ways of making a running system re-read the partition table? -----Original Message----- Yes indeed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

19:30

On Monday 04 Mar 2013 10:39:05 Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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I decided to get my computers ready for the upcoming new release of openSuSE 12.3 and my approach has been to always install each release in a separate partition. That way I can continue to use the older release(s) until I get the new version up on running. (I have a few servers and other complications that does not make this a simple/easy upgrade process.)

Anywise, on a couple of systems, I found I needed to resize and/or move partitions around a bit, on my disk drives. So I trotted over to Yast2 and discovered that the partitioner, that comes as part of its tool set, does not allow one to do either, claiming that it can't because the partitions are already created and in use. Neither does the version of Yast that comes with the installation disk for openSuSE where such capability is most likely going to be required. I found that both rather surprising and frustrating, especially since over in the Windoz world tools like Partition Magic have had that sort of capability for decades now.

Strange, i launched the partitioner in Yast and it allowed me the option to resize and/or move - not that i actually did it. The buttons were active so i pressed the resize one and it allowed me pick a new size.

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So I headed off to the internet in search of a better Linux partitioning tool and quickly came across one called GParted. And lo and behold it did exactly what I wanted! Not only that, but it has a nice GUI interface, like Partition Magic that makes it really easy to do. No need to figure out any of the low level details, just drag and drop partitions around and resize them via GUI images. AND I was really impressed by GParted in how careful it was in going about doing resizing and moving partitions around. Lots of testing being done to make sure things would go smoothly before actually making changes. It appears like a LOT of thought has gone into that tool, far more than even Partition Magic which doesn't appear to do nearly the same amount of preliminary testing. I think this is a REALLY FINE tool, from my first humble impressions, and Wikipedia says this tool has been around for about 8 years now...

So my question is this - Why, when there is a tool that is so much more capable, open sourced and freely available, is Yast2 sticking to using such a brain dead partitioning tool? Why not yank that tool out of Yast and replace it with GParted? Is it because no one has the time/inclination to improve the user experiences with Yast? Or has the knowledge about Yast been lost due to its designers moving on to other places and no one is available/capable to work on improvements to it? If so, then I can understand, and no I cannot volunteer either, I already have too many "volunteered" projects on my plate. I just wonder because this makes Yast appear as if it is really becoming dated. IMHO I think most users would be much happier if Yast guided them to using GParted instead of this archaic and crippled partitioning tool that now comes with Yast2.

I won't be using the Yast partitioner any more now that I have discovered GParted, and suspect I may have answered my own question, ;-) but still I am just curious about how much thought has been given to improving the partitioning tool in Yast2.... Marc... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Marc Chamberlin

21:47

On 3/5/2013 11:30 AM, ianseeks wrote:

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I decided to get my computers ready for the upcoming new release of openSuSE 12.3 and my approach has been to always install each release in a separate partition. That way I can continue to use the older release(s) until I get the new version up on running. (I have a few servers and other complications that does not make this a simple/easy upgrade process.)

Anywise, on a couple of systems, I found I needed to resize and/or move partitions around a bit, on my disk drives. So I trotted over to Yast2 and discovered that the partitioner, that comes as part of its tool set, does not allow one to do either, claiming that it can't because the partitions are already created and in use. Neither does the version of Yast that comes with the installation disk for openSuSE where such capability is most likely going to be required. I found that both rather surprising and frustrating, especially since over in the Windoz world tools like Partition Magic have had that sort of capability for decades now. Strange, i launched the partitioner in Yast and it allowed me the option to resize and/or move - not that i actually did it. The buttons were active so i

On Monday 04 Mar 2013 10:39:05 Marc Chamberlin wrote: pressed the resize one and it allowed me pick a new size.

Ianseeks - I may have understated the problem a bit so let me clarify what I was wanting to do. I needed to re-size the extended partition by adding space to the beginning of it. I had an empty gap in my partition layout between a primary partition used for swap and the beginning of the extended partition. I wanted to include this empty space inside the extended partition so as to use it to create a new partition. (I already have 3 primary partitions so am not allow to create another primary partition) Yast's partitioner would not allow me to do this, GParted did. I also wanted to re-size/increase one of the primary partitions but in order to do so I needed to move the primary partitions following it so as to get some space to then include in the primary partition that I wanted to increase in size. Again, Yast would not allow me to do so, i.e. move an already created partition, GParted did. Note: I tried to do this from within an installation DVD for openSuSE as well as from within a running openSuSE. The Yast partitioner is the tool that is supplied on these installation DVD's and what I am pointing out is that it was insufficient for me to accomplish the tasks I needed to do in order to install a new version of openSuSE into either a new partition or over an existing (small) one. I had to create a LiveCD under Debian in order to get access to GParted in order to redo my partition layout. I think it is a sad statement that I had to resort to a different distro in order to install openSuSE and felt this was not a good reflection on openSuSE, so wanted to bring it up and suggest that an alternate (or some enhancements) to the Yast partitioner might be in order. So yes, the buttons to re-size and move partitions are there in the YaST partitioner, but when one actually tries to use them in situations such as I was facing, one is told by the YaST partitioner that it cannot be done on an already created partition. (Which is a lie, they can be moved and re-sized. You just need a partitioner that is smart enough to know how.) Marc.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

6 Mar 6 Mar

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supplied on these installation DVD's and what I am pointing out is that it was insufficient for me to accomplish the tasks I needed to do in order to install a new version of openSuSE into either a new partition or over an existing (small) one. I had to create a LiveCD under Debian in order to get access to GParted in order to redo my partition layout.

There is a new iso image for 12.3 (beta) called "rescue". Try it, it does have parted included. I have not tried to use it, but it is listed in the application menu. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlE2oiEACgkQja8UbcUWM1zfaAD/XOA7Idw0dGbBwkW6Z4l+YyOH bceADLmPFYutgUa7ocoBAJuvkI5ZxRA51VxkId68un69+9F/FybG74sHbIsU/mz9 =poIK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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