On 05/09/12 19:46, Per Jessen wrote:

I haven't noticed any NTP issue sofar - what have you got? If you uncheck here (Because you use windows too) https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3e0lLG3OdqESU5NLXltUjJHLWM Post install it's set back to checked as if it's Linux only

Then if you uncheck it via Yast it complains you don't have windows (when you do) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/09/12 05:18, Carl Fletcher wrote:

On 05/09/12 19:46, Per Jessen wrote:

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I haven't noticed any NTP issue sofar - what have you got? If you uncheck here (Because you use windows too) https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3e0lLG3OdqESU5NLXltUjJHLWM Post install it's set back to checked as if it's Linux only

Then if you uncheck it via Yast it complains you don't have windows (when you do)

I suspect that this will happen *if* you did not set Windows to auto adjust for daylight saving time. If you do not have it set in Windows then in YaST you will have UTC selected and if you try to alter this then YaST "complains". BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.0 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 13:01 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Besides that, if you use W7 you can set it to use UTC cmos time, too. Works better. Howtodo it, in the wiki.

Great! This has always driven me crazy. I need to run Windows to test our applications. Even though I build/package the Windows versions on openSUSE via MinGW, a real world test is occasionally needed. I really dislike it... Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 13:15 +0200, Bernhard Voelker wrote:

On September 6, 2012 at 1:07 PM Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Great! This has always driven me crazy. I need to run Windows to test our applications. Even though I build/package the Windows versions on openSUSE via MinGW, a real world test is occasionally needed. I really dislike it...

Isn't this a cry for a VM? ;-)

You would think so. But our company is very Windows-centric (except my little group of Linux weirdos). Being a company of over 10000, Windows installs are done automatically via a centralized server. And, that server refuses to work with VMs. It used to. But when they went with Windows 7, they did a few odd things. Part of this is related to tighter license control by Microsoft. The company will not pay for a different install media of Windows 7. And I am sure not going to pay for it myself. I spend no money on Windows if I don't need to! They say I should just give in and use Windows. I suspect you know the drill. So, I run windows on my laptop using the Windows 7 partition that came with it. I also have openSUSE on this laptop, as it is my preferred environment. If I could cannibalize the Windows partition so it could be run in, say, VirtualBox, I would be very happy. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/06/12 09:55, Roger Oberholtzer pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 13:15 +0200, Bernhard Voelker wrote:

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On September 6, 2012 at 1:07 PM Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Great! This has always driven me crazy. I need to run Windows to test our applications. Even though I build/package the Windows versions on openSUSE via MinGW, a real world test is occasionally needed. I really dislike it...

Isn't this a cry for a VM? ;-)

You would think so. But our company is very Windows-centric (except my little group of Linux weirdos). Being a company of over 10000, Windows installs are done automatically via a centralized server. And, that server refuses to work with VMs. It used to. But when they went with Windows 7, they did a few odd things. Part of this is related to tighter license control by Microsoft.

The company will not pay for a different install media of Windows 7. And I am sure not going to pay for it myself. I spend no money on Windows if I don't need to! They say I should just give in and use Windows. I suspect you know the drill.

So, I run windows on my laptop using the Windows 7 partition that came with it. I also have openSUSE on this laptop, as it is my preferred environment. If I could cannibalize the Windows partition so it could be run in, say, VirtualBox, I would be very happy.

Just a thought. I also have a need to run MS windows for a couple of apps. What I did was get a copy of the install media from MS (possible if you have a license). I then used that to install in VB using the license code from the sticker on the laptop. I still run on the same hardware so no license issues involved. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM, George Olson wrote:

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I also have a need to run MS windows for a couple of apps. What I did was get a copy of the install media from MS (possible if you have a license). I then used that to install in VB using the license code from the sticker on the laptop. I still run on the same hardware so no license issues involved.

Ok, how do you do that? Do you just call Microsoft and ask them to mail the install media to you and tell them your license code number over the phone? Or is there a way to do that over the internet? That would be very useful.

A quick Google turns up the answer you are probably looking for: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/w... Basically the full official ISOs can be downloaded directly from DigitalRiver... this assumes you have a legal license key from a separate source. C. -- openSUSE 12.1 x86_64, KDE 4.9.0 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/09/12 21:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-09-06 14:44, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 06/09/12 05:18, Carl Fletcher wrote:

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Then if you uncheck it via Yast it complains you don't have windows (when you do) I suspect that this will happen *if* you did not set Windows to auto adjust for daylight saving time. If you do not have it set in Windows then in YaST you will have UTC selected and if you try to alter this then YaST "complains". How would yast know if you adjust or not for daylight savings in Windows?

openSUSE is no stupido, you know. It know everything. It even knows that you have Windows installed when you have Windows installed. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.1 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012/09/07 01:28 (GMT+1000) Basil Chupin composed:

openSUSE is no stupido, you know. It know everything. It even knows that you have Windows installed when you have Windows installed.

Actually it's just a dumb as most distros, defaulting to mounting to windows_[C,D...Z] PC DOS 8.3 partitions (0x01, 0x06, 0x0b, 0x0c) VFAT instead of MSDOS, and OS/2 HPFS (0x07) partitions as NTFS/ExFAT on systems with no version of Windows installed anywhere, which is even dumber when a type 0x0a primary partition is active on BIOS HD0. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:28:19 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 06/09/12 21:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-09-06 14:44, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 06/09/12 05:18, Carl Fletcher wrote:

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Then if you uncheck it via Yast it complains you don't have windows (when you do) I suspect that this will happen *if* you did not set Windows to auto adjust for daylight saving time. If you do not have it set in Windows then in YaST you will have UTC selected and if you try to alter this then YaST "complains". How would yast know if you adjust or not for daylight savings in Windows?

openSUSE is no stupido, you know. It know everything. It even knows that you have Windows installed when you have Windows installed.

BC

Then why does it STILL refuse to show it in menu.lst? Tom -- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.1x86_64 openSUSE 12.2x86_64 KDE 4.7.2, FF 7.0 KDE 4.8.4, FF 13.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/09/12 13:38, Carl Fletcher wrote:

On 06/09/12 13:44, Basil Chupin wrote:

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you did not set Windows to auto adjust for daylight saving time This is nothing whatsoever to do with it.

The behaviour is: Where a Windows OS is present, during install the section where you set UTC or not usually would have UTC unchecked (That is it understands that Windows is present). In 12.2 it doesn't, the UTC is checked. If you uncheck it, it warns you that you do not have Windows installed and are you sure...? blah blah... If you configure with UTC unchecked, post install you will find the installer has re-applied UTC and check is back. If you use Yast to configure NTP to manage time and uncheck UTC, it gives the same warning about not having Windows.

This behaviour is all wrong and different to previous versions 12.1 11.4 etc....

This post is also addressed to Carlos..... Let me put it this way re what I said earlier. In the past I always installed Windows (XP) and always set it to auto adjust for daylight saving time. I would then install openSUSE and found that the UTC box in the Locale setting was UNCHECKED. Earlier this week, I reformatted my HDDs, and installed XP on the second HDD - but this time I deliberately did not configure XP to auto adjust for daylight saving time. I then did a new, clean, install of 12.2 Gold (well, actually Build #167 which was then made Gold). The Locale menu had UTC TICKED. Perhaps this was accidental, perhaps not or my memory is totally shot; but I don't intend to repeat the exercise to prove which it was :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.1 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Fletcher wrote:

On 06/09/12 13:44, Basil Chupin wrote:

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you did not set Windows to auto adjust for daylight saving time This is nothing whatsoever to do with it.

The behaviour is: Where a Windows OS is present, during install the section where you set UTC or not usually would have UTC unchecked (That is it understands that Windows is present). In 12.2 it doesn't, the UTC is checked. If you uncheck it, it warns you that you do not have Windows installed and are you sure...? blah blah... If you configure with UTC unchecked, post install you will find the installer has re-applied UTC and check is back. If you use Yast to configure NTP to manage time and uncheck UTC, it gives the same warning about not having Windows.

This behaviour is all wrong and different to previous versions 12.1 11.4 etc....

---- What tells yast that a Windows OS is present -- and what does that mean, exactly, as 12.2 is linux, no? Are we talking about in VM's? -- as I just ran yast2 and went into the DT setting for NTP, and mine's setup WithOUT the HW clock set to UTC, and I got no warnings... I went back in a 2nd time to see if it had been set anyway -- and according to the GUI settings, it was still set for local time. So where are you seeing this? FWIW -- I run my linux box as a samba domain and file server and am posting from a windows box through the server ... So I'm just wondering what I need to do to see this unwanted behavior? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-09-05 21:18, Carl Fletcher wrote:

On 05/09/12 19:46, Per Jessen wrote:

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I haven't noticed any NTP issue sofar - what have you got? If you uncheck here (Because you use windows too) https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3e0lLG3OdqESU5NLXltUjJHLWM Post install it's set back to checked as if it's Linux only

Then if you uncheck it via Yast it complains you don't have windows (when you do)

Also, if you install as a virtual guest in vmware you got the same warning. You need "local time" in that situation, and yes, there is a bugzilla. I don't know if the issue has been corrected in the final version, can't check it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlBJMiQACgkQja8UbcUWM1yMMQD9GLopRmhAqT7bDm9Y39UJ3krK yAqwHgT/lOyZaArlMBABAJ1fpmK2Nw4JP07YOSLekbjPaLsazdoQKD2JuSMZR9Eo =4OAx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday 06 Sep 2012 21:40:45 Graham Anderson wrote:

On Thursday 06 Sep 2012 19:24:14 ianseeks wrote:

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On Wednesday 05 Sep 2012 19:01:51 Per Jessen wrote:

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Using minimum text-mode install:

a) nscd not started by default b) exim installed instead of postfix (big surprise, I don't remember this from any Factory version).

Does flash work in your browsers? I've tried opera, Firefox, Chrome to view BBC iPlayer but the plugin just crashes on 12.2. I've tried googling the error but the only bits of news i can find is that it might be due to it trying to use hardware acceleration or its a sh*t release from Adobe

I've installed it on an old laptop with a Radeon (which didn;t work at all on 12.1 so progress is good)

At one point in the near past adobe changed the compile options of the linux flash player and enabled CPU architecture specific SSE2 flags which caused the flash player to barf on some older AMD hardware, I don't know if this is still the case.

Thanks, i didn't know that. Do you know if there is a way to downgrade Flash using, for example, an 11.4 repo? regards Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 07 Sep 2012 07:19:35 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* ianseeks [09-07-12 02:20]:

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Do you know if there is a way to downgrade Flash using, for example, an 11.4 repo?

zypper in -f <package-name-version> --from <repo-address or repo-name>

zypper in --help

thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org