[opensuse] i386 rpms
Hi, I am trying to locate the base development rpm for an i386 machine in opensuse.org. On the following link http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/suse/ I am able to see i586, i686, ia64, noarch, setup, x86_64 supported. does one of these subdirectories support a i386 machine? BR, NSeto _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009-... To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 03:48:11PM -0500, Nelson Seto wrote:
Hi, I am trying to locate the base development rpm for an i386 machine in opensuse.org. On the following link http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/suse/
I am able to see i586, i686, ia64, noarch, setup, x86_64 supported. does one of these subdirectories support a i386 machine?
No, i586 is the base processor requirement. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 02:48:11 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Hi, I am trying to locate the base development rpm for an i386 machine in opensuse.org. On the following link http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/suse/
I am able to see i586, i686, ia64, noarch, setup, x86_64 supported. does one of these subdirectories support a i386 machine?
BR, NSeto
No. Kernel doesn't. You might be better off to use some of small distros for i386 machine. See this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Linux -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Would you know if the 'noarch' is a generic repository that may support i386 (piii)? I need to just be able to compile / make. This functionality is very old so I am hoping that it should work. Worst thing is to try it but if some has already tried, it would save me from wasting time. Performance is not too much an issue on the machine. BR, NSeto
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:10:32 -0600 Rajko wrote
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 02:48:11 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Hi, I am trying to locate the base development rpm for an i386 machine in opensuse.org. On the following link http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/suse/
I am able to see i586, i686, ia64, noarch, setup, x86_64 supported. does one of these subdirectories support a i386 machine?
BR, NSeto
No.
Kernel doesn't. You might be better off to use some of small distros for i386 machine. See this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Linux
-- Regards, Rajko
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On Wednesday 25 February 2009 05:59:39 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:10:32 -0600 Rajko wrote
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 02:48:11 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Hi, I am trying to locate the base development rpm for an i386 machine in opensuse.org. On the following link http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/suse/
I am able to see i586, i686, ia64, noarch, setup, x86_64 supported. does one of these subdirectories support a i386 machine?
BR, NSeto
No.
Kernel doesn't. You might be better off to use some of small distros for i386 machine. See this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Linux ... Would you know if the 'noarch' is a generic repository that may support i386 (piii)? I need to just be able to compile / make. This functionality is very old so I am hoping that it should work.
Worst thing is to try it but if some has already tried, it would save me from wasting time. Performance is not too much an issue on the machine.
BR, NSeto
The noarch repository are packages that doesn't depend on architecture. They are not sources that could be compiled for any arch. The problem is that even if I point you to sources you can't do much with them. They will not compile on i386 due to processor commands that are missing. That is the reason to point you on small linux distros that could have support for i386. I checked for: - DSL (Damn Small Linux) - they support 486 at minimum. - Pupy Linux - can't find minimum hardware requirements. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 05:59:39 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:10:32 -0600 Rajko wrote
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 02:48:11 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Hi, I am trying to locate the base development rpm for an i386 machine in opensuse.org. On the following link http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/suse/
I am able to see i586, i686, ia64, noarch, setup, x86_64 supported. does one of these subdirectories support a i386 machine?
BR, NSeto Hi, I have tried some small linux distros and found this one to be pretty easy to use. Perhaps it may suit your needs too.
http://www.delilinux.org/ Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Quoting Mark Misulich
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 05:59:39 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:10:32 -0600 Rajko wrote
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 02:48:11 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Hi, I am trying to locate the base development rpm for an i386 machine in opensuse.org. On the following link http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/suse/
I am able to see i586, i686, ia64, noarch, setup, x86_64 supported. does one of these subdirectories support a i386 machine?
SuSE/OpenSuSE dropped support for 386 several years ago. You must have at least a Pentium. HTH, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 February 2009 08:48:19 am Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: ...
SuSE/OpenSuSE dropped support for 386 several years ago. You must have at least a Pentium. ...
The OP has actually PIII machine, but everyone except Boyd overlooked that, so he can be fine even with latest openSUSE. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 17:59:39 Nelson Seto wrote:
Would you know if the 'noarch' is a generic repository that may support i386 (piii)?
A Pentium III processor should handle i686 fine. i386 = original 386 i486 = one of the 486 variants i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above amd64/emt64/x84_64 = 64-bit capable processors [1] [1] These can also run i686 packages. Unless you have a single application that needs more than 3.5GiB of address space, i686 is probably a better choice. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above
Just to be picky - Pentium Pro was the first i686 processor. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 February 2009 01:49:44 Per Jessen wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above
Just to be picky - Pentium Pro was the first i686 processor.
Thanks for the correction. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
Boyd wrote:
A Pentium III processor should handle i686 fine.
i386 = original 386 i486 = one of the 486 variants i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above amd64/emt64/x84_64 = 64-bit capable processors [1]
[1] These can also run i686 packages. Unless you have a single application that needs more than 3.5GiB of address space, i686 is probably a better choice. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_))
Thanks Boyd, Another related issue is that my target machine is offline. The only machine I have online is a Microsoft Windows machine. iso images are great as they are standard across os. Is there a way to obtain the opensuse oss files as an iso image so that I can burn on a windows machine to install on the target machine? BR, NSeto _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howi... To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 February 2009 09:02:47 am Nelson Seto wrote:
Boyd wrote:
A Pentium III processor should handle i686 fine.
i386 = original 386 i486 = one of the 486 variants i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above amd64/emt64/x84_64 = 64-bit capable processors [1]
[1] These can also run i686 packages. Unless you have a single application that needs more than 3.5GiB of address space, i686 is probably a better choice. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_))
Thanks Boyd, Another related issue is that my target machine is offline. The only machine I have online is a Microsoft Windows machine. iso images are great as they are standard across os. Is there a way to obtain the opensuse oss files as an iso image so that I can burn on a windows machine to install on the target machine?
BR, NSeto
http://software.opensuse.org should offer the latest iso images. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko wrote
Thanks Boyd, Another related issue is that my target machine is offline. The only machine I have online is a Microsoft Windows machine. iso images are great as they are standard across os. Is there a way to obtain the opensuse oss files as an iso image so that I can burn on a windows machine to install on the target machine?
BR, NSeto
http://software.opensuse.org should offer the latest iso images.
-- Regards, Rajko
Just a clarification of my original post... I am looking to port over the oss files. Was wondering if there would be any issue in just burning the rpm files on a cd on a windows to be read on the target machine which has the base opensuse gnome iso image already installed. The machines are in different locations presently I so do not have the luxury of trial and error. BR, NSeto _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howi... To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 February 2009 10:35:05 am Nelson Seto wrote:
Rajko wrote
Thanks Boyd, Another related issue is that my target machine is offline. The only machine I have online is a Microsoft Windows machine. iso images are great as they are standard across os. Is there a way to obtain the opensuse oss files as an iso image so that I can burn on a windows machine to install on the target machine?
BR, NSeto
http://software.opensuse.org should offer the latest iso images.
-- Regards, Rajko
Just a clarification of my original post... I am looking to port over the oss files. Was wondering if there would be any issue in just burning the rpm files on a cd on a windows to be read on the target machine which has the base opensuse gnome iso image already installed.
The machines are in different locations presently I so do not have the luxury of trial and error.
More information never hurts :-)
It shouldn't be a problem, at least not from openSUSE side.
I use often console tool zypper to add repo (as root):
zypper ar
Boyd wrote on my previous thread:
A Pentium III processor should handle i686 fine.
i386 = original 386 i486 = one of the 486 variants i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above amd64/emt64/x84_64 = 64-bit capable processors [1]
[1] These can also run i686 packages. Unless you have a single application that needs more than 3.5GiB of address space, i686 is probably a better choice. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
I am trying to find a c++ and c compiler for opensuse. Would anyone know what rpm contains the c++ c software? Think I saw some discussion of a g++ and gcc compilers but think they may be working only for 64 bit machines and not for i686 machines _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX... To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Em Ter 03 Mar 2009, Nelson Seto escreveu:
Boyd wrote on my previous thread:
A Pentium III processor should handle i686 fine.
i386 = original 386 i486 = one of the 486 variants i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above amd64/emt64/x84_64 = 64-bit capable processors [1]
[1] These can also run i686 packages. Unless you have a single application that needs more than 3.5GiB of address space, i686 is probably a better choice. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
I am trying to find a c++ and c compiler for opensuse. Would anyone know what rpm contains the c++ c software? Think I saw some discussion of a g++ and gcc compilers but think they may be working only for 64 bit machines and not for i686 machines
I'm using them with the 32bits version of openSuSE 11.1 in an i686 machine with no problems. Packages gcc-4.3-34.168 and gcc-c++-4.3-34.168 []'s Marcelo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Note: I am presently using opensuse 11.1 but I am open to change to an earlier version if it is required. /NSeto ----------------------------------------
From: nelson.seto@hotmail.com To: bss@iguanasuicide.net; opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] c++ c compiler for i686 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:33:48 -0500
Boyd wrote on my previous thread:
A Pentium III processor should handle i686 fine.
i386 = original 386 i486 = one of the 486 variants i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above amd64/emt64/x84_64 = 64-bit capable processors [1]
[1] These can also run i686 packages. Unless you have a single application that needs more than 3.5GiB of address space, i686 is probably a better choice. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
I am trying to find a c++ and c compiler for opensuse. Would anyone know what rpm contains the c++ c software? Think I saw some discussion of a g++ and gcc compilers but think they may be working only for 64 bit machines and not for i686 machines _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX... To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Tuesday 03 March 2009 21:33:48 Nelson Seto wrote:
I am trying to find a c++ and c compiler for opensuse. Would anyone know what rpm contains the c++ c software? Think I saw some discussion of a g++ and gcc compilers but think they may be working only for 64 bit machines and not for i686 machines
Not at all. gcc is not the best compiler in the world, but it is the one that handles the most platforms. You can use gcc to compile for just about every CPU ever made Just "zypper in gcc gcc-c++" and you have what you need Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders wrote:
Just "zypper in gcc gcc-c++" and you have what you need
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Hi Anders, which rpms is zypper found and which url can I find gcc-c++ (guess it is the name of the rpm). Is zypper mandatory? BR, NSeto _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX... To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 21:50:17 Nelson Seto wrote:
Anders wrote:
Just "zypper in gcc gcc-c++" and you have what you need
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Hi Anders, which rpms is zypper found and which url can I find gcc-c++ (guess it is the name of the rpm).
Is zypper mandatory?
zypper is the command line tool for installing packages. It is installed by default. If you run the command I gave as root, it will install the compiler for both c and c++ for you, along with the other packages you need for compiling things If you want a GUI way of installing, you can start yast (also known as "administrator settings" in the menu) and go to "software management", and search for gcc. This will show you all packages connected with the compiler. Select "gcc" and "gcc-c++" Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders wrote:
zypper is the command line tool for installing packages. It is installed by default. If you run the command I gave as root, it will install the compiler for both c and c++ for you, along with the other packages you need for compiling things
If you want a GUI way of installing, you can start yast (also known as "administrator settings" in the menu) and go to "software management", and search for gcc. This will show you all packages connected with the compiler. Select "gcc" and "gcc-c++"
Gather you purchased the opensuse 11.1 dvd? Or did you obtain them online? As well are you working with a 64 bit machine? I am working with a 32bit machine presently. BR, NSeto _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-c... To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 22:09:40 Nelson Seto wrote:
Gather you purchased the opensuse 11.1 dvd? Or did you obtain them online?
Well, no, I got it at the office :)
As well are you working with a 64 bit machine? I am working with a 32bit machine presently.
The methods I gave will work on all supported platforms, no matter where you got 11.1 from Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-03-03 at 16:09 -0500, Nelson Seto wrote:
Anders wrote:
zypper is the command line tool for installing packages. It is installed by default. If you run the command I gave as root, it will install the compiler for both c and c++ for you, along with the other packages you need for compiling things
If you want a GUI way of installing, you can start yast (also known as "administrator settings" in the menu) and go to "software management", and search for gcc. This will show you all packages connected with the compiler. Select "gcc" and "gcc-c++"
Gather you purchased the opensuse 11.1 dvd? Or did you obtain them online? As well are you working with a 64 bit machine? I am working with a 32bit machine presently.
- The same set of software is available for both 32 and 64 bits; it does not matter. - Both the C and C++ compilers (and more), both for 64 or 32 bits, are included in the distro, but not in the CDs for lack of space. - Zypper is installed by default, but it needs internet in order to access the repositories where it can download whatever is not included in the CD or DVD. - If you installed from CD, you need network for Yast to be able to download and install anything else you need. - The downloaded DVD has much more than the CD. The compiler is included. Even so, there are things not there. - The purchased DVD, which is double-layer, contains more than the downloaded DVD. Even so, there are things not there. - Only the sum of the OSS and Non-OSS repositories (internet) are "complete". Even so, there are things not there: there are things you have to get from the buildservice, or from other sites (like some multimedia things). Again, even so, there are things not there that you have to compile yourself. - If your machines do not have Internet, then you have to provide some repositories yourself. You can use the DVD, but not everything is there. Or you can use an external HD on USB, or another machine serving via http or ftp locally. Neither of those solutions is automated, you have to engineer them yourself. Ask here, read the archive, read the wiki, some questions have been asked before. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmtzLUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XnzQCfWSdgSPhk/kCCSa+OXp0EEErl PeEAoIF+fT83Y5dYMKLRs7NGRv96noS/ =8Vir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 14:33:48 you wrote:
I am trying to find a c++ and c compiler for opensuse. Would anyone know what rpm contains the c++ c software? Think I saw some discussion of a g++ and gcc compilers but think they may be working only for 64 bit machines and not for i686 machines
Both gcc and g++ (with are just front-ends to the same core compiler technology) are available for i486 and above, plus x86_64. In addition, the x86_64 version will also output x86 object files and binaries through the use of the -m32 flag. I'm not sure, but I think the x86 versions will also output x86_64 object files and binaries through the use of the -m64 flag. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 02:33:48 pm Nelson Seto wrote:
Boyd wrote on my previous thread:
A Pentium III processor should handle i686 fine.
i386 = original 386 i486 = one of the 486 variants i586 = original Pentium, AND K5, some stripped-down later processors i686 = Pentium II and above, AMD K6 and above amd64/emt64/x84_64 = 64-bit capable processors [1]
[1] These can also run i686 packages. Unless you have a single application that needs more than 3.5GiB of address space, i686 is probably a better choice.
I am trying to find a c++ and c compiler for opensuse. Would anyone know what rpm contains the c++ c software? Think I saw some discussion of a g++ and gcc compilers but think they may be working only for 64 bit machines and not for i686 machines
The gcc will work fine. gcc hello.cc -o hello will create hello binary from C++ code. zypper in gcc will install gcc. Though, you would need more packages, so it is better to go to YaST software management (the same thing as Install Software in Main Menu > System > Configuration), go to top left corner of the window and change filter to the Patterns. Select those development patterns you need, and press Accept. Type in Konqueror > Location (URL input field): man:gcc and you will get manual transformed in html. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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