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Илья Черных

26 Jul 2010 26 Jul '10

11:26

So as some people here claim you can customize KDE4 to be not worser than KDE3 I just tried to install it (KDE 4.4.4). - First I tried to make the desktop icons smaller and after I moved the slider, the plasma crashed: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0726/h_1280134708_0c9620833f.png After the next attempt it worked. So I got the plasma crash in the very first minute. - I found that the enema icon in the right top corner cannot be disabled: when you choose to disable it, the desktop icons also disappear. - Then I tried to customize the panel. I accidentially deleted the taskbar and tried to return it to the place. But the taskbar returned only to the place right of the tray. Is seems there is no possibility to move the widget so I removed all the widgets and added them back in the proper order. In the process plasma again crashed, but this time automatically restarted. - It seems that the only rectangular styles in KDE4 (even with kdeartwork4 installed) are Phase and customized Qtcurve. But there in no corresponding plasma theme for both. The only style for which there is approximately similar plasma style is oxygen, so there is no choice. - I have tried to change the icon theme but it seems that the only theme compatible with KDE4 is Oxygen: after choosing any other theme the folders on the desktop still were displayed with icons from Oxygen theme. - Then I tried to choose a mouse cursor theme. After choosing a non-KDE theme Bluecurve, I found that resize cursors are confused: in the right-top corner of a window the arrow is top-left-bottom-right, in top left corner it is top-right-bottom-left. - Desktop icons sometimes go over other windows: it looks like in a delirium: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0726/h_1280136020_cc4731eca5.png Also clicking on a desktop sometines leads to all icons on the desktop move some pixels up together. - The My Computer icon on the desktop did not work: clicking on it made no effect. There is also no trash and network icons. - The Documents folder on the desktop was displayed with Russian name "Документов", which is incorrect (it should be "Документы"). I've tried to rename but without success: no error, no warning, but it's still "Документов". - I did not find a way to disable the transparent rectangle with rounded corners around selected items on desktop. It seems in dissonance with the style I use and ugly. - I started Konqueror but found that it shows files only in the form of browsing free space view. There is no possibility to view them as icons. So I would assess KDE4 is currently in in less than beta quality. It crashes, unstable, has huge visual artefacts and bugs and feature incomplete. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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C

26 Jul 26 Jul

12:03

First comment.. stop trying to make KDE4 into KDE3 when you're tinkering with it. That will not work. KDE4 is NOT KDE 3. You cannot and should not try to make it so. It will only fail. Use KDE4 as KDE4. Things work differently.... 2010/7/26 Илья Черных:

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So as some people here claim you can customize KDE4 to be not worser than KDE3 I just tried to install it (KDE 4.4.4).

Are you running KDE3.5 alongside KDE4? There have been issues with KDE3 and KDE4 co-existing on the same install... it's been discussed a while back on the mailing list here. I don't know if the probs have been resolved though... I don't run KDE3 anymore.

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- First I tried to make the desktop icons smaller and after I moved the slider, the plasma crashed:

I tried to duplicate the crash... works perfectly on my KDE4.4.4. I can resize up adn down as much as I want with no plasma crashes.

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- I found that the enema icon in the right top corner cannot be disabled: when you choose to disable it, the desktop icons also disappear.

Enema icon? What's on your mind? You cannot remove the Desktop activity icon if you're using Desktop Activities.... that doesn't make any sense to try and remove it. If you want a traditional desktop layout, then change the Desktop Activity to Plain Desktop... don't try to remove the Activity icon.

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- Then I tried to customize the panel. I accidentially deleted the taskbar and tried to return it to the place. But the taskbar returned only to the place right of the tray. Is seems there is no possibility to move the widget so I removed all the widgets and added them back in the proper order. In the process plasma again crashed, but this time automatically restarted.

Did you go to Right click on the panel > Panel Settings > Panel Settings? (assuming the widgets are unlocked when you did this). You can rearrange the panel any way you want.

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- It seems that the only rectangular styles in KDE4 (even with kdeartwork4 installed) are Phase and customized Qtcurve. But there in no corresponding plasma theme for both. The only style for which there is approximately similar plasma style is oxygen, so there is no choice.

No idea what you're on about here....

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- I have tried to change the icon theme but it seems that the only theme compatible with KDE4 is Oxygen: after choosing any other theme the folders on the desktop still were displayed with icons from Oxygen theme.

I use a different theme... no problems. No idea what you bumped into...

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- Then I tried to choose a mouse cursor theme. After choosing a non-KDE theme Bluecurve, I found that resize cursors are confused: in the right-top corner of a window the arrow is top-left-bottom-right, in top left corner it is top-right-bottom-left.

Never seen this either.

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- Desktop icons sometimes go over other windows: it looks like in a delirium: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0726/h_1280136020_cc4731eca5.png Also clicking on a desktop sometines leads to all icons on the desktop move some pixels up together.

I've seen the problem you showed in the screen cap. That usually only happens on my cheap crappy intel video card. A driver issue?

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- The My Computer icon on the desktop did not work: clicking on it made no effect. There is also no trash and network icons.

I've never had My Computer not work. Trash icon is not on your desktop by default.. you can add it... just add the Trash widget if you're using the default desktop activity layout. Why it's not there... well, the Desktop is no longer justa place to drop files... its purpose has changed, and the Trash icon (in my opinion) is out of place there now. I don't miss it.

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- The Documents folder on the desktop was displayed with Russian name "Документов", which is incorrect (it should be "Документы"). I've tried to rename but without success: no error, no warning, but it's still "Документов".

So.. it's a localization issue... and.. did you file a bug report?

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- I did not find a way to disable the transparent rectangle with rounded corners around selected items on desktop. It seems in dissonance with the style I use and ugly.

Ummm.. that's because that rectangle is part of the widget... you can't disable it.

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- I started Konqueror but found that it shows files only in the form of browsing free space view. There is no possibility to view them as icons.

No comment.. haven't use Konq in ages now that Dolphin is available.

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So I would assess KDE4 is currently in in less than beta quality. It crashes, unstable, has huge visual artefacts and bugs and feature incomplete.

And i'd say.. you're trying to use it like it's KDE3... :-P I've been using KDE4 for a while now and, yes it's got a few bugs, but it's stable, works very well, and I've been installing it on desktops used by people who are not computer nerds... and they get along just fine with it. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dotan Cohen

27 Jul 27 Jul

01:19

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So as some people here claim you can customize KDE4 to be not worser than KDE3 I just tried to install it (KDE 4.4.4).

Thanks for taking the time, Iliya. Let's see what we can do about those issues.

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- First I tried to make the desktop icons smaller and after I moved the slider, the plasma crashed: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0726/h_1280134708_0c9620833f.png After the next attempt it worked. So I got the plasma crash in the very first minute.

Ouch! Most of the crashers are taken care of, did you file this one so that it can be fixed? What is the bug number?

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- I found that the enema icon in the right top corner cannot be disabled: when you choose to disable it, the desktop icons also disappear.

I hate the cashew, too: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/I+HATE+the+Cashew?content=91009

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- Then I tried to customize the panel. I accidentially deleted the taskbar and tried to return it to the place. But the taskbar returned only to the place right of the tray. Is seems there is no possibility to move the widget so I removed all the widgets and added them back in the proper order. In the process plasma again crashed, but this time automatically restarted.

When you click the panel's Cashew icon (after unlocking it) then you can easily move the plasmoids around. It is overly complicated, let that be known here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205402 It doesn't address the moving plasmoids issue directly, but it is a start. If you can think of a better way to move the plasmoids, then describe it in detail (in detail means not saying "like KDE 3").

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- It seems that the only rectangular styles in KDE4 (even with kdeartwork4 installed) are Phase and customized Qtcurve. But there in no corresponding plasma theme for both. The only style for which there is approximately similar plasma style is oxygen, so there is no choice.

Try Plastik with Klearlooks. It is the least painful combination, accessibility-wise. I've filed accessibility issues on Oxygen, it is a mess.

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- I have tried to change the icon theme but it seems that the only theme compatible with KDE4 is Oxygen: after choosing any other theme the folders on the desktop still were displayed with icons from Oxygen theme.

Please comment here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245850

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- Then I tried to choose a mouse cursor theme. After choosing a non-KDE theme Bluecurve, I found that resize cursors are confused: in the right-top corner of a window the arrow is top-left-bottom-right, in top left corner it is top-right-bottom-left.

Might be a bluecurve issue, the cursor appears as expected on every cursor theme that I tried (but I don't have bluecurve installed).

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- Desktop icons sometimes go over other windows: it looks like in a delirium: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0726/h_1280136020_cc4731eca5.png Also clicking on a desktop sometines leads to all icons on the desktop move some pixels up together.

Please file that at BKO, and mention your video hardware and drivers. Thanks!

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- The My Computer icon on the desktop did not work: clicking on it made no effect. There is also no trash and network icons.

Please comment here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204953

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- The Documents folder on the desktop was displayed with Russian name "Документов", which is incorrect (it should be "Документы"). I've tried to rename but without success: no error, no warning, but it's still "Документов".

Sounds like a translation issue, file it.

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- I did not find a way to disable the transparent rectangle with rounded corners around selected items on desktop. It seems in dissonance with the style I use and ugly.

Do you mean the rubberband? Can you post a screenshot?

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- I started Konqueror but found that it shows files only in the form of browsing free space view. There is no possibility to view them as icons.

View -> View mode -> Icons There should also be a toolbar button for that by default.

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So I would assess KDE4 is currently in in less than beta quality. It crashes, unstable, has huge visual artefacts and bugs and feature incomplete.

Your assessment is correct. Thanks, Iliya, for helping get these last details worked out! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

08:12

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Might be a bluecurve issue, the cursor appears as expected on every cursor theme that I tried (but I don't have bluecurve installed).

On Gnome, KDE3 and KDE2 this theme works OK. After restart of KDE4 also seems OK. But once I also experienced unexpected return of Oxygen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dotan Cohen

10:06

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Might be a bluecurve issue, the cursor appears as expected on every cursor theme that I tried (but I don't have bluecurve installed).

On Gnome, KDE3 and KDE2 this theme works OK. After restart of KDE4 also seems OK. But once I also experienced unexpected return of Oxygen.

That is why I always dive with a buddy!

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Please file that at BKO, and mention your video hardware and drivers. Thanks! Video hardware is GeForce 9500GT. Drivers are proprietary 195.36.

You will have to file this one, as I cannot reproduce.

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It should be also mentioned that spatial mode (open each folder in separate window) does not work in Konqueror.

Thanks, please comment here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245874

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I do not use and have no plans to use KDE4. I just installed KDE4 to look how it progressed. In fact there is no progress at all. In first 5 minutes I encountered tens of bugs. I think it would be reasonable to report bugs only when it reaches at least beta stage.

The devs have already released it, that means that it works fine on their (and my) hardware. For any more bugs to be fixed, you need to test on your hardware. Even if you don't intend to use it right now, I appreciate your help in uncovering these issues, especially the crashers and the usability issues. 2010/7/27 C :

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Is there a bug open on this? I poked bugs.kde.org and can't find anything.

I would imagine that such an issue would have already been found, but I couldn't find it so I filed it.

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Seems Dotan could reproduce this bug. I can't reproduce in KDE4.4.5. Changing icons works as expected. Possibly fixed between 4.4.4. and 4.4.5?

Possibly. Did you check the desktop icons, those were the icons affected by the bug. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

10:17

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2010/7/27 Dotan Cohen:

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Seems Dotan could reproduce this bug. I can't reproduce in KDE4.4.5. Changing icons works as expected. Possibly fixed between 4.4.4. and 4.4.5?

Possibly. Did you check the desktop icons, those were the icons affected by the bug.

Yes. I can change to any icon theme and all icons are updated in the KMenu and everywhere else including desktop icons (in the Desktop folder widget). I tested over loads of icon sets I pulled down using the tools within KDE4 (not just using openSUSE provided ones). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

10:24

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The devs have already released it, that means that it works fine on their (and my) hardware. For any more bugs to be fixed, you need to test on your hardware. Even if you don't intend to use it right now, I appreciate your help in uncovering these issues, especially the crashers and the usability issues.

In certain sense I am glad that KDE4 still has serious problems. This would provide reason for keeping and supporting KDE3 for a longer time.

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Possibly. Did you check the desktop icons, those were the icons affected by the bug.

I bet KDE devs do not use folder view on their desktops otherwise they would not miss this bug. That's why KDE4 is bad: even if they implement all requested features (which is improbable in itself), they still would use the desktop in their own new way and would miss many issues with the classical view so the users who prefer the classical view will always suffer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dotan Cohen

10:30

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2010/7/27 Илья Черных :

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The devs have already released it, that means that it works fine on their (and my) hardware. For any more bugs to be fixed, you need to test on your hardware. Even if you don't intend to use it right now, I appreciate your help in uncovering these issues, especially the crashers and the usability issues.

In certain sense I am glad that KDE4 still has serious problems. This would provide reason for keeping and supporting KDE3 for a longer time.

Not for the love of Mordechai, but rather for the hate of Haman? :)

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Possibly. Did you check the desktop icons, those were the icons affected by the bug.

I bet KDE devs do not use folder view on their desktops otherwise they would not miss this bug. That's why KDE4 is bad: even if they implement all requested features (which is improbable in itself), they still would use the desktop in their own new way and would miss many issues with the classical view so the users who prefer the classical view will always suffer.

I tested using the Desktop type, not the Folderview type. I suspect that most KDE devs use this as it is the default. they probably just don't switch icon themes. By the way, I confirmed in Kubuntu, not OpenSuse, so it is in fact a KDE issue. Please mention that you are on Suse when you comment on the bug that I posted. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Nikolic

10:55

On Tuesday 27 Jul 2010 09:24:42 Илья Черных wrote:

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The devs have already released it, that means that it works fine on

their (and my) hardware. For any more bugs to be fixed, you need to test on your hardware. Even if you don't intend to use it right now, I appreciate your help in uncovering these issues, especially the crashers and the usability issues.

In certain sense I am glad that KDE4 still has serious problems. This would provide reason for keeping and supporting KDE3 for a longer time.

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Possibly. Did you check the desktop icons, those were the icons

affected by the bug.

I bet KDE devs do not use folder view on their desktops otherwise they would not miss this bug. That's why KDE4 is bad: even if they implement all requested features (which is improbable in itself), they still would use the desktop in their own new way and would miss many issues with the classical view so the users who prefer the classical view will always suffer.

I have to jump in here .. Having just installed 11.3 with KDE 4.4.4 i do not know what you are running but i can change Icon themes without any problem in all desktop versions so think you got some corruption there pal . I have been following this thread since it's start and i have to say it is 99.5% hot air and a whinge , I dont like some of the things about KDE 4.x.x but it is nowhere near as bad now as you are making it out to be you have no choice but to face up to the fact that KDE 3.x.x is now dead and gone and all the whinging and whining in the world is NOT going to change that . Things are different some of it i dont like BUT that does not change the fact that 3 is dead and burried it was good but alas is no more KDE 4.x.x will get there it is getting there , There is no doubt at all in my mind it should NOT have been pushed out when it was it WAS VERY beta but now is getting there I know Sven will disagree with some of my comments but Tough ICNGAT .. Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" 09:45 up 1 day 1:19, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

11:03

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fact that KDE 3.x.x is now dead

How did you determine it? I think it is much more healthy than KDE4.

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all the whinging and whining in the world is NOT going to change that

Why?

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the fact that 3 is dead and burried

Again, how did you determine it? Seems indeed some people want to kill it.

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KDE 4.x.x will get there it is getting there

Where? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Nikolic

12:37

On Tuesday 27 Jul 2010 10:03:11 Илья Черных wrote:

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fact that KDE 3.x.x is now dead

How did you determine it? I think it is much more healthy than KDE4.

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all the whinging and whining in the world is NOT going to change that

Why?

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the fact that 3 is dead and burried

Again, how did you determine it? Seems indeed some people want to kill it.

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KDE 4.x.x will get there it is getting there

Where?

You are purley argumentative and i think it is time to end communication till you start to accept a few things . Dont get me wrong i used to like KDE 3 .x.x i still have one machine that uses it and OS10.3 that will not change for more than one reason But i dont expect to update that bbox at all it works it does it's job . KDE3 as a mainstream release is dead and gone end of story if you cannot see that might i suggest a trip to your local eye specialist . KDE 4.4.4 is stable it does most things well some things not yet as good as say 3.5.10 one of my gripes is Quanta but i have found other ways of achieving the same results , As for your seeming request that everything be quantified fiorget it pal it aint going to happen simple suffice to say is there any new releases out there of 3.x.x answer no so that means it aint gunna happen end of story unless of course you are going to take on the job of maintaining it that is Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" 11:28 up 1 day 3:02, 4 users, load average: 0.12, 0.11, 0.09 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

13:09

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KDE3 as a mainstream release is dead and gone end of story if you cannot see that might i suggest a trip to your local eye specialist .

Maybe the difference is in the terminology. I just cannot figure what do you mean under colorful words like 'dead'. In my impressinon KDE3 is still widely used, more so than LXDE, for example.

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is there any new releases out there of 3.x.x answer no

Maybe (or maybe not as there is Trinity team which issues their KDE 3.5.11 and KDE 3.5.12), and what? The vanilla KDE3 branch is also updated and bugfixed. Even if it was not, what does it change?

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unless of course you are going to take on the job of maintaining it that is

Maintaining and making releases is different thing. KDE3 is still more or less maintained thanks to Novell. Of course we always want better maintenance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dotan Cohen

12:28

2010/7/27 Peter Nikolic :

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I have to jump in here ..

Having just installed 11.3 with KDE 4.4.4 i do not know what you are running but i can change Icon themes without any problem in all desktop versions so think you got some corruption there pal .

I have been following this thread since it's start and i have to say it is 99.5% hot air and a whinge , I dont like some of the things about KDE 4.x.x but it is nowhere near as bad now as you are making it out to be you have no choice but to face up to the fact that KDE 3.x.x is now dead and gone and all the whinging and whining in the world is NOT going to change that .

Things are different some of it i dont like BUT that does not change the fact that 3 is dead and burried it was good but alas is no more KDE 4.x.x will get there it is getting there , There is no doubt at all in my mind it should NOT have been pushed out when it was it WAS VERY beta but now is getting there

I know Sven will disagree with some of my comments but Tough ICNGAT ..

Iliya is not whining, he tested KDE 4.4, and it crashed on him repeatedly and he could not configure it to a comfortable setting. So far a few bugs have been filed due to this. Iliya, make sure that you report the crashers! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

14:20

* Dotan Cohen [07-27-10 06:29]:

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Iliya is not whining, he tested KDE 4.4, and it crashed on him repeatedly and he could not configure it to a comfortable setting. So far a few bugs have been filed due to this.

Iliya, make sure that you report the crashers!

I believe you are beating a *dead* horse. He previously commented: <direct quote> I do not use and have no plans to use KDE4. I just installed KDE4 to look how it progressed. In fact there is no progress at all. In first 5 minutes I encountered tens of bugs. I think it would be reasonable to report bugs only when it reaches at least beta stage. He is just pulling your chain and sitting back and laughing about it. "Die Thread" -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dotan Cohen

15:21

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 15:20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Iliya is not whining, he tested KDE 4.4, and it crashed on him repeatedly and he could not configure it to a comfortable setting. So far a few bugs have been filed due to this.

Iliya, make sure that you report the crashers!

I believe you are beating a *dead* horse. He previously commented: <direct quote> I do not use and have no plans to use KDE4. I just installed KDE4 to look how it progressed. In fact there is no progress at all. In first 5 minutes I encountered tens of bugs. I think it would be reasonable to report bugs only when it reaches at least beta stage.

He is just pulling your chain and sitting back and laughing about it.

"Die Thread"

So long as he finds bugs and reports them, he can pull my chain all day. I'm more worried about the crashers that I suspect he is not reporting. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

16:01

* Dotan Cohen [07-27-10 09:22]:

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 15:20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Dotan Cohen [07-27-10 06:29]:

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Iliya is not whining, he tested KDE 4.4, and it crashed on him repeatedly and he could not configure it to a comfortable setting. So far a few bugs have been filed due to this.

Iliya, make sure that you report the crashers!

I believe you are beating a *dead* horse. He previously commented: <direct quote> I do not use and have no plans to use KDE4. I just installed KDE4 to look how it progressed. In fact there is no progress at all. In first 5 minutes I encountered tens of bugs. I think it would be reasonable to report bugs only when it reaches at least beta stage.

He is just pulling your chain and sitting back and laughing about it.

"Die Thread"

So long as he finds bugs and reports them, he can pull my chain all day.

He said, "I think it would be reasonable to report bugs only when it reaches at least beta stage." He is not reporting bugs!

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I'm more worried about the crashers that I suspect he is not reporting.

That you "know" he is not reporting. There is an amazing resemblance to "Aaron Kulkis" here, who was or still is banned. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

08:14

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Please file that at BKO, and mention your video hardware and drivers. Thanks!

Video hardware is GeForce 9500GT. Drivers are proprietary 195.36. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

08:49

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2010/7/27 Илья Черных:

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Please file that at BKO, and mention your video hardware and drivers. Thanks!

Video hardware is GeForce 9500GT. Drivers are proprietary 195.36.

That might be part of the problem? 195.36 is painfully old... current release nVidia proprietary drivers are up to 256.35 now. There have been major issues in the past with nVidia drivers not playing nice with KDE4.. I can't remember which specific versions though. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

08:28

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Your assessment is correct.

It should be also mentioned that spatial mode (open each folder in separate window) does not work in Konqueror. I did not work from the very beginning of KDE4. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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08:47

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2010/7/27 Илья Черных:

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Your assessment is correct.

It should be also mentioned that spatial mode (open each folder in separate window) does not work in Konqueror. I did not work from the very beginning of KDE4.

Is there a bug open on this? I poked bugs.kde.org and can't find anything. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

12:53

Илья Черных said the following on 07/27/2010 02:28 AM:

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It should be also mentioned that spatial mode (open each folder in separate window) does not work in Konqueror. I did not work from the very beginning of KDE4.

Yes it does. -- "Good judgement comes from experience, and experience -- well, that comes from poor judgement." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

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Yes it does.

Wow. How did you make it work? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

13:24

Илья Черных said the following on 07/27/2010 07:10 AM:

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Wow. How did you make it work?

1. I don't try to run KDE3 in parallel so I don't have any of the conflict issues 2. I don't try to make KDE4 behave like KDE3 Its sort of like ZEN. I accept what is and work with it rather than fight against it, and it .... just works. Oh, I have other problems, you can see my postings here, but trying to make KDE4 behave like some romanticised version of KDE3 isn't one of them. So long as you have this nasty and belligerent attitude things won't work well for you. Yes I know this is a 'machine' and should be deterministic and independent of the operator's emotions, but centuries of engineering have shown the converse. Please take this discussion to the KDE list. -- We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it. --Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

13:35

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1. I don't try to run KDE3 in parallel so I don't have any of the conflict issues

So you made the spatial mode in Konqueror working?

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Its sort of like ZEN. I accept what is and work with it rather than fight against it, and it .... just works.

So you simply do not bother with the bugs and can work in any environment.

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Oh, I have other problems, you can see my postings here, but trying to make KDE4 behave like some romanticised version of KDE3 isn't one of them.

Spatial mode is not only in KDE3 but also in Gnome, Windows and so on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

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Илья Черных said the following on 07/27/2010 07:35 AM:

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1. I don't try to run KDE3 in parallel so I don't have any of the conflict issues

So you made the spatial mode in Konqueror working?

I said that.

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Its sort of like ZEN. I accept what is and work with it rather than fight against it, and it .... just works.

So you simply do not bother with the bugs and can work in any environment.

You seem to see bugs where others don't. Why do these things not work or you when they do work for others? I'd think about that if I were you. I choose to work in KDE4. That's my choice. You obviously don't want to work in KDE4. I'm OK with that, but I don't see why you should be dragging it down for the rest of us.

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Oh, I have other problems, you can see my postings here, but trying to make KDE4 behave like some romanticised version of KDE3 isn't one of them.

Spatial mode is not only in KDE3 but also in Gnome, Windows and so on.

Your point being? And please don't say it isn't in KDE4 because it is. I've been using it without even knowing it's called 'spatial mode'. I just assumed that was how it was supposed to work. Is there a name for any other way of working? What's the converse of 'spatial'? -- A sense of humor is part of the art of leadership, of getting along with people, of getting things done. Dwight D. Eisenhower -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Илья Черных

13:55

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I said that.

So by doule-clicking a folder it opens in a new window? Can you record a video?

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You seem to see bugs where others don't. Why do these things not work or you when they do work for others?

Which exactly? That spatial mode in Konq is broken confirmed by multiple people.

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I've been using it without even knowing it's called 'spatial mode'. I just assumed that was how it was supposed to work.

It is turned off by default and it completely removed from Dolphin.

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What's the converse of 'spatial'?

Browser mode. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

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Илья Черных said the following on 07/27/2010 07:55 AM:

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I said that.

So by doule-clicking a folder it opens in a new window? Can you record a video?

Unless I set it to this 'browser mode' of which you speak. hey! that's cool! Saves on screen real-estate. Thank you!

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You seem to see bugs where others don't. Why do these things not work or you when they do work for others?

Which exactly? That spatial mode in Konq is broken confirmed by multiple people.

And not. Also confirmed.

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It is turned off by default and it completely removed from Dolphin.

It must have inherited my settings. What's "Dolphin"? Oh, I see. It seems redundant, but then *NIX is full of "there's more than one way of doing things". Do you have MC installed?

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What's the converse of 'spatial'?

Browser mode.

Thank you. I'll be using that from now on, now that I know about it. fewer windows to keep track of, less clutter on the screen. -- Farming looks mighty easy when your plough is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field. Dwight D. Eisenhower, September 11, 1956 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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