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Jerry Feldman

18 Nov 2004 18 Nov '04

20:43

I received my personal copy of the DVD on Monday, but have not had time to try it out until last night. The DVD would neither read nor mount on my laptop. To rule out bad hardware, I was able to successfully mount and read the source DVD. I have since contacted Amazon for a replacement. However, I was able to use another DVD reader here at work, and copy all 8GB to my laptop. One possibility is simply that my laptop DVD reader is a bit off register and the DVD is good, or the DVD is marginal. In any case the replacement will tell the story. -- Jerry Feldman Partner Technology Access Center (contractor) (PTAC-MA) Hewlett-Packard Co. 550 King Street LKG2a-X2 Littleton, Ma. 01460 (978)506-5243

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Jerry Westrick

18 Nov 18 Nov

22:23

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Of course another possibility is that your laptop cannot read dual layer DVD's! Jerry On Thursday 18 November 2004 20:43, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I received my personal copy of the DVD on Monday, but have not had time to try it out until last night. The DVD would neither read nor mount on my laptop. To rule out bad hardware, I was able to successfully mount and read the source DVD. I have since contacted Amazon for a replacement.

However, I was able to use another DVD reader here at work, and copy all 8GB to my laptop. One possibility is simply that my laptop DVD reader is a bit off register and the DVD is good, or the DVD is marginal. In any case the replacement will tell the story. -- Jerry Feldman Partner Technology Access Center (contractor) (PTAC-MA) Hewlett-Packard Co. 550 King Street LKG2a-X2 Littleton, Ma. 01460 (978)506-5243

Jerry Feldman

22:57

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Today 4:23:35 pm

Of course another possibility is that your laptop cannot read dual layer DVD's! This is also a possibility. I'll be able to verify that when Amazon sends

On Thursday 18 November 2004 4:23 pm, Jerry Westrick wrote: the replacement. -- Jerry Feldman Partner Technology Access Center (contractor) (PTAC-MA) Hewlett-Packard Co. 550 King Street LKG2a-X2 Littleton, Ma. 01460 (978)506-5243

Steve Kratz

23:13

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Of course another possibility is that your laptop cannot read dual layer DVD's!

Jerry

Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing? I really find it troubling that I have to jump through hoops for an open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr

Fred A. Miller

19 Nov 19 Nov

01:29

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On Thursday November 18 2004 5:13 pm, Steve Kratz wrote:

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Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing?

I really find it troubling that I have to jump through hoops for an open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr

You got it!! 'NOT good. Fred -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin 1759

George Stoianov

03:42

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Hi Fred, I would sign your petition I like SuSE but the fact that I cannot find a double layer CD to burn a back up is a little concerning for me. And the issue with the CDs definitely deserves more attention from Novell and SuSE. This is definitely not something I expect from SuSE. Just my 2 cent. George --- "Fred A. Miller" wrote:

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Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing?

I really find it troubling that I have to jump

On Thursday November 18 2004 5:13 pm, Steve Kratz wrote: through hoops for an

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open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr

You got it!! 'NOT good.

Fred

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Glenn Holmer

11:26

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George Stoianov wrote:

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the fact that I cannot find a double layer CD to burn a back up is a little concerning for me.

I made several dual-layer copies on a brand new DVD burner; some machines could read them, some could not. The media were shockingly expensive as well (~ US$10/disc). -- ================================================================= Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) ----------------------------------------------------------------- The one sticking point between us and the open-source community is that we actually think that compatibility matters. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -James Gosling, creator of Java =================================================================

peter Nikolic

09:57

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On Thursday 18 Nov 2004 22:13, Steve Kratz wrote:

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Of course another possibility is that your laptop cannot read dual layer DVD's!

Jerry

Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing?

I really find it troubling that I have to jump through hoops for an open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr

Makr me in for it it is simply not good enough i am unable to use the dual layer dvd on a BRAND NEW DVD drive that is reffect with everything else dvd films data ect .. Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

Jack Malone

13:42

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Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing?

I really find it troubling that I have to jump through hoops for an open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr

I not had any trouble with the new dvd format on the 2 machines I have tried it on so far. Today I will tried it on yet another one our main server Im in process of rebuilding an getting ready to deploy before the end of the year. Wait til our account consultant schedules our new software update, very major update at that for us. Wonder if the new disk has trouble with older drives or just certian drives. will let all know the brand of drives I'm using when I get into work. They are all know oem type drives. jack

Joe Morris (NTM)

14:05

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Jack Malone wrote:

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Wonder if the new disk has trouble with older drives or just certian drives.

My older machine didn't have a problem with the dual layer dvd. It has a >5 yr old Memorex DVDROM (rebranded Toshiba DVD) in it. It even booted from it with no problem. I am surprised that so many drives are having problems, since it worked on my old drive. I can't write a dual-layer disk in my new (=5mo) dvd writer, though, so it is a bit of a disappointment not to be able to back it up. :-( -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871

Philip Amadeo Saeli

19:34

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* Joe Morris (NTM) [2004.11.19 13:14]:

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Jack Malone wrote:

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Wonder if the new disk has trouble with older drives or just certian drives.

My older machine didn't have a problem with the dual layer dvd. It has a >5 yr old Memorex DVDROM (rebranded Toshiba DVD) in it. It even booted from it with no problem. I am surprised that so many drives are having problems, since it worked on my old drive. I can't write a dual-layer disk in my new (=5mo) dvd writer, though, so it is a bit of a disappointment not to be able to back it up. :-(

My experience is similar. The DVD drive (TORiSAN DRD-U824 DVD-ROM) on my 4+ year-old laptop has had no problems reading the latest 2-layer DVDs. Interestingly, this same drive has beaucoup problems reading the installation/rescue CD-ROMs that shipped with the system!?! I guess I should consider myself lucky that this drive handles the DVDs OK. Phil -- Philip Amadeo Saeli SuSE Linux 8.2 (Hopefully 9.2 soon! Gave up on 9.0: too slow & buggy.) psaeli@zorodyne.com

Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)

22 Nov 22 Nov

14:39

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Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing?

I really find it troubling that I have to jump through hoops for an open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr I think SuSE should only supply single layer DVDs thus enabling the

Steve Kratz wrote: product to be used by many more people without the additional expense of having to buy a dual layer DVD kit. I'll be knocking on Novell's office door very soon to request 2 single layer DVDs if my DVD purchased in Mar 2004 is a 'legacy' model. I bought the full Pro boxed set to support them. If they are going to require people to have the latest and greatest hardware like Mr Gates does, then how are people going to install the DVD packages on older systems ie PI/II's and therefore let the OS grow? -- The legacy Little Helper ======================================================================== Hylton Conacher - Linux user # 229959 at http://counter.li.org Currently using SuSE 9.0 Professional with KDE 3.1 Licenced Windows user ========================================================================

Peter B Van Campen

21:16

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On Monday 22 November 2004 7:39 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:

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Steve Kratz wrote:

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Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing?

I really find it troubling that I have to jump through hoops for an open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr

I think SuSE should only supply single layer DVDs thus enabling the product to be used by many more people without the additional expense of having to buy a dual layer DVD kit.

I'll be knocking on Novell's office door very soon to request 2 single layer DVDs if my DVD purchased in Mar 2004 is a 'legacy' model.

I bought the full Pro boxed set to support them. If they are going to require people to have the latest and greatest hardware like Mr Gates does, then how are people going to install the DVD packages on older systems ie PI/II's and therefore let the OS grow? Hi,

I've said this many times: It the drive is labeled "DVD" then is supports dual layer reading. It is explicitly part of the device specs. If yours can't read it then it is broken; why would anyone want to keep using a broken device? PeterB

Franky Goethals

21:22

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I'm sorry Peter, but then i have 2 broken DVD at home, which work perfectly with any other DVD + serveral at work... I think you're talking about theory... I didn't have any problems with their double-sided DVD of 9.1 neither... Greets, Franky. On Monday 22 November 2004 21:16, Peter B Van Campen wrote:

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On Monday 22 November 2004 7:39 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:

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Steve Kratz wrote:

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Anyone want to start up a petition for Novell/SUSE to provide some sort of an alternate single-layer DVD (or two, one for 32, and one for 64-bit), to customers that bought the thing?

I really find it troubling that I have to jump through hoops for an open-source OS that I bought the box for, and end up having to burn custom images ripped from the disc... Sure, the CDs work fine, but when there's at least 5 packages I normally use that aren't on the CDs... Grr

I think SuSE should only supply single layer DVDs thus enabling the product to be used by many more people without the additional expense of having to buy a dual layer DVD kit.

I'll be knocking on Novell's office door very soon to request 2 single layer DVDs if my DVD purchased in Mar 2004 is a 'legacy' model.

I bought the full Pro boxed set to support them. If they are going to require people to have the latest and greatest hardware like Mr Gates does, then how are people going to install the DVD packages on older systems ie PI/II's and therefore let the OS grow?

Hi,

I've said this many times: It the drive is labeled "DVD" then is supports dual layer reading. It is explicitly part of the device specs.

If yours can't read it then it is broken; why would anyone want to keep using a broken device?

PeterB

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C. Richard Matson

23 Nov 23 Nov

08:01

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On Monday 22 November 2004 12:22 pm, Franky Goethals wrote:

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I'm sorry Peter, but then i have 2 broken DVD at home, which work perfectly with any other DVD + serveral at work...

I think you're talking about theory... I didn't have any problems with their double-sided DVD of 9.1 neither...

Greets, Franky.

My 9.2 dvd wouldn't work with my new HP laptop. I had installed 9.1 off of the dvd's a couple of weeks eariler and it had worked fine, so I tried 9.1 again and it worked again. I ended up using the cd's to install 9.2. I've been able to get some of the apps missing on the cd's to install from the dvd. The 9.2 dvd worked fine on my desktop. Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA

Chris

11:53

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On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 23:01 -0800, C. Richard Matson wrote:

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On Monday 22 November 2004 12:22 pm, Franky Goethals wrote:

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I'm sorry Peter, but then i have 2 broken DVD at home, which work perfectly with any other DVD + serveral at work...

I think you're talking about theory... I didn't have any problems with their double-sided DVD of 9.1 neither...

Greets, Franky.

My 9.2 dvd wouldn't work with my new HP laptop. I had installed 9.1 off of the dvd's a couple of weeks eariler and it had worked fine, so I tried 9.1 again and it worked again. I ended up using the cd's to install 9.2. I've been able to get some of the apps missing on the cd's to install from the dvd. The 9.2 dvd worked fine on my desktop. Rich

-- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA

Has any one tried puting in disc no 2; rebooting; when it asks is disc 1 in the drive, put the dvd in the dvd drive and click ok. Worked for me. Chris

Darryl Gregorash

25 Nov 25 Nov

08:32

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Peter B Van Campen wrote:

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I've said this many times: It the drive is labeled "DVD" then is supports dual layer reading. It is explicitly part of the device specs.

If yours can't read it then it is broken; why would anyone want to keep using a broken device?

Are "the" DVD device specs you refer to DVD-ROM, +R, -R, +RW or -RW? Red laser, or blue?

C. Richard Matson

19 Nov 19 Nov

09:29

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On Thursday 18 November 2004 11:43 am, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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l However, I was able to use another DVD reader here at work, and copy all 8GB to my laptop. One possibility is simply that my laptop DVD reader is a bit off register and the DVD is good, or the DVD is marginal. In any case the replacement will tell the story.

I had to use the cd's on my HP ze4600. The dvd worked fine on my desktop. Several other people have had problems with the dvd's RichRich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA

Randall R Schulz

18:18

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Jerry, For the hell of it, I did this: % cd /media/cdrom % time tar cf - * |dd of=/dev/null 15722260+0 records in 15722260+0 records out Elapsed: 21m20s (1280); User: 0m21.1s (21.1); System: 2m0.8s (120.8) % du -s 7858392 . % find * -type d |wc -l 61 % find * -type f |wc -l 7983 (Pay no attention to the mount point name--for some reason, that's what my SuSE 9.1 system wants to call my DVD recorder.) Dd, by default, transfers 512-byte records, so that represents just under 7.5 gigabytes of file contents. No errors were reported by tar or in /var/log/messages or ../warn, so presumably the the entire disc's contents were read successfully. It appears my Sony DVD +/- RW drive (Model DRU 510A) is able to read these dual-layer DVDs. Randall Schulz On Thursday 18 November 2004 11:43, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I received my personal copy of the DVD on Monday, but have not had time to try it out until last night. The DVD would neither read nor mount on my laptop. To rule out bad hardware, I was able to successfully mount and read the source DVD. I have since contacted Amazon for a replacement.

However, I was able to use another DVD reader here at work, and copy all 8GB to my laptop. One possibility is simply that my laptop DVD reader is a bit off register and the DVD is good, or the DVD is marginal. In any case the replacement will tell the story. -- Jerry Feldman

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C. Richard Matson
Chris
Darryl Gregorash
Franky Goethals
Fred A. Miller
George Stoianov
Glenn Holmer
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Jack Malone
Jerry Feldman
Jerry Westrick
Joe Morris (NTM)
Peter B Van Campen
peter Nikolic
Philip Amadeo Saeli
Randall R Schulz
Steve Kratz