'New' KDE file navigation Dialog
Is it only me that *totally hates* the new methods being used for file navigation in KDE apps? The one that presents you with choices of: Home Desktop Filesystem and then makes you click all over the place to try and figure out where you're at and where the stuff you're looking for is?? I find it totally unintuitive, hardly user friendly, requires much more time to navigate, and in general is ugly. And it is also NOT usable by keyboard. That is, it doesn't give the focus to the dialog box so for instance if you want to Save As...., you can't type in the name of the file and then hit ENTER. Nope, gotta go back to the mouse and click on SAVE. And when doing a Save As.... it highlights the supposed filename when you get to the dialog, so you think you can just start typing... but no, the name doesn't have focus. So you have to click once on the name to kill the current highlight, then highlight it again, and then you can type a new name. Sorry for the rant but I would love to get a bunch of hate mail going the way of the KDE developers. I can't believe this is going to help win converts from Windows, especially when it is a) so different from windows navigation, and b) much worse. If I'm all wet, just tell me.
Bruce Marshall wrote:
Is it only me that *totally hates* the new methods being used for file navigation in KDE apps?
The one that presents you with choices of:
Home Desktop Filesystem
and then makes you click all over the place to try and figure out where you're at and where the stuff you're looking for is??
I find it totally unintuitive, hardly user friendly, requires much more time to navigate, and in general is ugly.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I have no idea what you're talking about. What app in particular, so I can see what you're referring to?
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 08:57 pm, James Knott wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote:
Is it only me that *totally hates* the new methods being used for file navigation in KDE apps?
The one that presents you with choices of:
Home Desktop Filesystem
and then makes you click all over the place to try and figure out where you're at and where the stuff you're looking for is??
I find it totally unintuitive, hardly user friendly, requires much more time to navigate, and in general is ugly.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I have no idea what you're talking about. What app in particular, so I can see what you're referring to?
Just about any app.... but I've been using audacity today and it's a lot worse than before the change. Ok, here's a good one. Try to open a file in gimp2 and you'll see what I mean. And I can find other apps I'm sure.
* Bruce Marshall
Ok, here's a good one. Try to open a file in gimp2 and you'll see what I mean. And I can find other apps I'm sure.
But the gimps file interface is *not* kde. Gimp presents it's own file interface. There was comment both for and against the new interface on the gimp list. You cannot blame kde here. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 09:31 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
But the gimps file interface is *not* kde. Gimp presents it's own file interface. There was comment both for and against the new interface on the gimp list.
You cannot blame kde here.
You're right... I'm going to blame qtk2.
Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 08:57 pm, James Knott wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote:
Is it only me that *totally hates* the new methods being used for file navigation in KDE apps?
The one that presents you with choices of:
Home Desktop Filesystem
and then makes you click all over the place to try and figure out where you're at and where the stuff you're looking for is??
I find it totally unintuitive, hardly user friendly, requires much more time to navigate, and in general is ugly. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I have no idea what you're talking about. What app in particular, so I can see what you're referring to?
Just about any app.... but I've been using audacity today and it's a lot worse than before the change.
Ok, here's a good one. Try to open a file in gimp2 and you'll see what I mean. And I can find other apps I'm sure.
Well, it's not the greatest, but certainly usable. Incidentally, I didn't know that Gnome and audacity were KDE apps. I thought they were from elsewhere and run under KDE. Compare, for example, with Kword or KolourPaint.
On 19 Oct 2005, bmarsh@bmarsh.com wrote:
Just about any app.... but I've been using audacity today and it's a lot worse than before the change.
Ah, the gtk2 file dialog (gtk2/gnome is not KDE), I hate it too. It took them a long time to come out with a new file dialog and it is indeed worst than the original> I especially dislike that weird half-arsed implementation of a NeXT style file path at the top. Charles -- printk("%s: huh ? Who issued this format command ?\n") linux-2.6.6/drivers/block/ps2esdi.c
On Thursday 20 October 2005 02:54, Charles philip Chan wrote:
Ah, the gtk2 file dialog (gtk2/gnome is not KDE), I hate it too. It took them a long time to come out with a new file dialog and it is indeed worst than the original> I especially dislike that weird half-arsed implementation of a NeXT style file path at the top.
Yes, I have to agree - it is absolutely awful. It's a complete mystery to me how this came through their vaunted "Human Interface Guidelines". -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD
On Thursday 20 October 2005 02:54, Charles philip Chan wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005, bmarsh@bmarsh.com wrote:
Just about any app.... but I've been using audacity today and it's a lot worse than before the change.
Ah, the gtk2 file dialog (gtk2/gnome is not KDE), I hate it too. It took them a long time to come out with a new file dialog and it is indeed worst than the original> I especially dislike that weird half-arsed implementation of a NeXT style file path at the top.
Charles
Yes, it's crappy. Annoying for me as I use Gimp a lot, and don't keep my files under /home. Any way to make it revert to a 'ready to browse' file tree, or to make it remember where I last opened a file between sessions rather than reverting to /home? -- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB UK Tel: 0161 834 7961 Fax: 0161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 09:54 pm, Charles philip Chan wrote:
Just about any app.... but I've been using audacity today and it's a lot worse than before the change.
Ah, the gtk2 file dialog (gtk2/gnome is not KDE), I hate it too. It took them a long time to come out with a new file dialog and it is indeed worst than the original> I especially dislike that weird half-arsed implementation of a NeXT style file path at the top.
Great, I know where to direct my ire then.... Thanks.
Bruce, On Wednesday 19 October 2005 15:30, Bruce Marshall wrote:
Is it only me that *totally hates* the new methods being used for file navigation in KDE apps?
The one that presents you with choices of:
Home Desktop Filesystem
and then makes you click all over the place to try and figure out where you're at and where the stuff you're looking for is??
No need to complain. The collection of preset file-system starting points in the left-hand portion of the KDE open and save dialogs is customizable. Give it the entries you want. Right-click in that section for the menu of editing operations.
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If I'm all wet, just tell me.
You're all wet. Randall Schulz
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 15:30, Bruce Marshall wrote:
Is it only me that *totally hates* the new methods being used for file navigation in KDE apps?
The one that presents you with choices of:
Home Desktop Filesystem
and then makes you click all over the place to try and figure out where you're at and where the stuff you're looking for is??
I find it totally unintuitive, hardly user friendly, requires much more time to navigate, and in general is ugly.
Hmm. I have the opposite reaction. In fact I just today nicked a little further into the Wall o' Windows by mentioning the flexibility of the KDE open dialog. Take this image: http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/laptop_desktop5.jpg It shows a KDE dialog. I have the regular stuff. In addition, I can add my own favorites, as I did here with "My Projects." You can't do that in Windows. My co-workers were amazed that KDE (Linux) could do this. http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/ScreenShot175.jpg By comparison, the Windows open dialog is a bit more limited. I can perform many of the same functions, but the ability to customize is gone. HTH! -- kai www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part
On 20 Oct 2005, kai@perfectreign.com wrote:
I have the opposite reaction. In fact I just today nicked a little further into the Wall o' Windows by mentioning the flexibility of the KDE open dialog.
Please reread the OP's messages more carefully. Although he mentions KDE, he is actually talking about the revamped gtk2 dialog and not KDE's. Charles -- printk("%s: huh ? Who issued this format command ?\n") linux-2.6.6/drivers/block/ps2esdi.c
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 21:28, Charles philip Chan wrote:
On 20 Oct 2005, kai@perfectreign.com wrote:
I have the opposite reaction. In fact I just today nicked a little further into the Wall o' Windows by mentioning the flexibility of the KDE open dialog.
Please reread the OP's messages more carefully. Although he mentions KDE, he is actually talking about the revamped gtk2 dialog and not KDE's.
Huh? Could've fooled me. I didn't see gtk2 mentioned anywhere. If that were the case, I would have agreed. GTK dialogs in general are seriously lacking in their UI abilities no matter what platform. I run GIMP on Windows at work and hate having to open the open dialog for that. Yecch! -- kai www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part
On 20 Oct 2005, kai@perfectreign.com wrote:
Huh? Could've fooled me. I didn't see gtk2 mentioned anywhere. If that were the case, I would have agreed. GTK dialogs in general are seriously lacking in their UI abilities no matter what platform. I run GIMP on Windows at work and hate having to open the open dialog for that.
It wasn't in his first post, but a later one. Here are the quotes: ,---- | Just about any app.... but I've been using audacity today and it's a | lot worse than before the change. | | Ok, here's a good one. Try to open a file in gimp2 and you'll see | what I mean. And I can find other apps I'm sure. `---- Audacity is a wx-gtk2 app, and gimp2 is of course plain old gtk2.
Yecch!
Same reaction to the "new and improved" gtk2 open file dialog. At least with the old one, one can start typing and use completion. Charles -- panic("No information about myself?"); linux-2.6.6/arch/mips/sgi-ip27/ip27-timer.c
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 21:28, Charles philip Chan wrote:
On 20 Oct 2005, kai@perfectreign.com wrote:
I have the opposite reaction. In fact I just today nicked a little further into the Wall o' Windows by mentioning the flexibility of the KDE open dialog. Please reread the OP's messages more carefully. Although he mentions KDE, he is actually talking about the revamped gtk2 dialog and not KDE's.
Huh? Could've fooled me. I didn't see gtk2 mentioned anywhere. If that were the case, I would have agreed. GTK dialogs in general are seriously lacking in their UI abilities no matter what platform. I run GIMP on Windows at work and hate having to open the open dialog for that.
The OP was complaining about KDE. Gimp is not KDE.
* James Knott
The OP was complaining about KDE. Gimp is not KDE.
Yes he was, but *he* sited gimp as an example. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Thursday 20 October 2005 01:01 am, Kai Ponte wrote:
Huh? Could've fooled me. I didn't see gtk2 mentioned anywhere. If that were the case, I would have agreed. GTK dialogs in general are seriously lacking in their UI abilities no matter what platform. I run GIMP on Windows at work and hate having to open the open dialog for that.
No I didn't mention gtk2... Now I know where the dialog comes from.
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