Hi, everyone. If this has been discussed before, my apologies. I did not see it in the archives, but then I might have been using a poorly chosen search term. If there is an archive discussion and you can point me to it, that would be great. Otherwise... About half the time when I try to end a session the computer doesn't initiate the end session activities. I right click the desktop and select "log out," then I select either "end session only" or "restart computer." The pooter plays a sound I have enabled for the commands, but then nothing else happens. It never actually gets into the "end session" or "restart" sequence. I end up having to power-down the computer with the power switch on the box. I can also get the computer to reset with control/alt/backspace, but I think that's probably not an ideal solution -- agreed? Any ideas on how I can trouble-shoot this situation where the computer simply won't reset? Thanks! Gil
There is probably some process still running, maybe hung up. The ps command will find it, but I'm not sure how to use it. The MAN page is very confusing. Someone here told me how to find a hung-up Word Perfect process, and the command was: ps aux | grep wp - Maybe if you put a * where I have wp it may work, I don't know. Somebody else will probably come on and tell you how to do it better. Good luck. --doug On Thursday 12 August 2004 19:39, Gil Weber wrote:
Hi, everyone.
If this has been discussed before, my apologies. I did not see it in the archives, but then I might have been using a poorly chosen search term. If there is an archive discussion and you can point me to it, that would be great. Otherwise...
About half the time when I try to end a session the computer doesn't initiate the end session activities.
I right click the desktop and select "log out," then I select either "end session only" or "restart computer." The pooter plays a sound I have enabled for the commands, but then nothing else happens. It never actually gets into the "end session" or "restart" sequence.
I end up having to power-down the computer with the power switch on the box.
I can also get the computer to reset with control/alt/backspace, but I think that's probably not an ideal solution -- agreed?
Any ideas on how I can trouble-shoot this situation where the computer simply won't reset?
Thanks! Gil
On Thursday 12 August 2004 07:39 pm, Gil Weber wrote:
Hi, everyone.
If this has been discussed before, my apologies. I did not see it in the archives, but then I might have been using a poorly chosen search term. If there is an archive discussion and you can point me to it, that would be great. Otherwise...
About half the time when I try to end a session the computer doesn't initiate the end session activities.
I right click the desktop and select "log out," then I select either "end session only" or "restart computer." The pooter plays a sound I have enabled for the commands, but then nothing else happens. It never actually gets into the "end session" or "restart" sequence.
I end up having to power-down the computer with the power switch on the box.
I can also get the computer to reset with control/alt/backspace, but I think that's probably not an ideal solution -- agreed?
Any ideas on how I can trouble-shoot this situation where the computer simply won't reset?
Thanks! Gil ==========
Gil, I believe you have posted this before and didn't get any answers? I'm not sure if I have any ideas, but let me get a bit more info and we'll see. ;o) Are you logging out of Gnome or KDE? Have you tried both? Gnome only brings you back to the login screen, it, I don't believe, doesn't shut you down. When you log out, what screen do you get too or does it not go out from the desktop? Ctrl-alt-backspace only resets the X server, but ctrl-alt-delete should tell it to shutdown properly. Have you tried going to tty1 to shudown? Press ctrl-alt-F1 and log in as root. After doing that issue the command "shutdown -h now" to completely shutdown or "shutdown -r now" to reboot. See if those work for you and we'll go from there. Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.82 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 I do everything my Rice Krispies tell me to do!
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On Thursday 12 August 2004 07:39 pm, Gil Weber wrote:
Hi, everyone.
If this has been discussed before, my apologies. I did not see it in the archives, but then I might have been using a poorly chosen search term. If there is an archive discussion and you can point me to it, that would be great. Otherwise...
About half the time when I try to end a session the computer doesn't initiate the end session activities.
I right click the desktop and select "log out," then I select either "end session only" or "restart computer." The pooter plays a sound I have enabled for the commands, but then nothing else happens. It never actually gets into the "end session" or "restart" sequence.
I end up having to power-down the computer with the power switch on the box.
I can also get the computer to reset with control/alt/backspace, but I think that's probably not an ideal solution -- agreed?
Any ideas on how I can trouble-shoot this situation where the computer simply won't reset?
Thanks! Gil ==========
Gil, I believe you have posted this before and didn't get any answers? I'm not sure if I have any ideas, but let me get a bit more info and we'll see. ;o)
No, first time posting with this issue.
Are you logging out of Gnome or KDE? Have you tried both? Gnome only brings you back to the login screen, it, I don't believe, doesn't shut you down.
From KDE. I don't use Gnome (at least not knowingly!)
When you log out, what screen do you get too or does it not go out from the desktop?
It does not go out from the desktop. I'm left staring at my desktop. As I mentioned in the original posting, it first plays a sound (normal) and then just sits.
Ctrl-alt-backspace only resets the X server, but ctrl-alt-delete should tell it to shutdown properly.
Yes, understood. The first time I try to exit the desktop it doesn't matter if I do ctrl-alt-delete or right click on the desktop. It brings up the choices to end session, turn off computer, or restart computer. I can select any of them and after playing the sound the computer just sits. If I try again with either ctrl-alt-delete or right clicking the desktop, now NOTHING happens. I don't even get the screen with the 3 choices. To this point (based on my rather limited knowledge of Linux) my only choice has been to turn off the pooter with the power switch.
Have you tried going to tty1 to shudown?
Had never tried this. New to me.
Press ctrl-alt-F1 and log in as root. After doing that issue the command "shutdown -h now" to completely shutdown or "shutdown -r now" to reboot. See if those work for you and we'll go from there.
I used shutdown -r now and that worked! I have not tried shutdown -h now, but I assume if it rebooted it will also shutdown. So using a command in the shell does work. But I can't get the same function everytime from the desktop. And the problem seems to be occuring more often. It's increasingly rare that the pooter will shut down reboot in the normal manner. Hope this additional info gives you some ideas. Thx. Gil
On Friday 13 August 2004 09:24 am, Gil Weber wrote: [...]
Have you tried going to tty1 to shudown?
Had never tried this. New to me.
Press ctrl-alt-F1 and log in as root. After doing that issue the command "shutdown -h now" to completely shutdown or "shutdown -r now" to reboot. See if those work for you and we'll go from there.
I used shutdown -r now and that worked! I have not tried shutdown -h now, but I assume if it rebooted it will also shutdown.
So using a command in the shell does work. But I can't get the same function everytime from the desktop. And the problem seems to be occuring more often. It's increasingly rare that the pooter will shut down reboot in the normal manner.
Hope this additional info gives you some ideas. Thx. Gil =============
Ok, from this new info, we know you can log the system out from the command line. Now since you still have X running, we'll assume that's not part of our problem. To test that, you could go to the "login" screen and see if you can shutdown from there. If that works ok, we'll guess X is not entering in the equation. Now the next thing to try is to see if you can shutdown via the shell from KDE. Log back in to KDE, open a shell, su to root and again issue the command "shutdown -r now" to see what happens. If that works, my first guess for problem shutdown in KDE would be a setting or problem with KDE. Maybe someone else will jump in and offer an opinion as well. I know there is something in YaST2 that let's you set the shutdown procedure, but don't remember the exact place. There is also a setting to let "everybody" shut things down, you might check to see if you changed that at some point mistakenly to root only. Report back with your findings. Baby steps to track it down. ;o) Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.82 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 I do everything my Rice Krispies tell me to do!
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On Friday 13 August 2004 09:24 am, Gil Weber wrote: [...]
Have you tried going to tty1 to shudown?
Had never tried this. New to me.
Press ctrl-alt-F1 and log in as root. After doing that issue the command "shutdown -h now" to completely shutdown or "shutdown -r now" to reboot. See if those work for you and we'll go from there.
I used shutdown -r now and that worked! I have not tried shutdown -h now, but I assume if it rebooted it will also shutdown.
So using a command in the shell does work. But I can't get the same function everytime from the desktop. And the problem seems to be occuring more often. It's increasingly rare that the pooter will shut down reboot in the normal manner.
Hope this additional info gives you some ideas. Thx. Gil =============
Ok, from this new info, we know you can log the system out from the command line. Now since you still have X running, we'll assume that's not part of our problem. To test that, you could go to the "login" screen and see if you can shutdown from there. If that works ok, we'll guess X is not entering in the equation.
From the login screen I was able to reboot. I did not try to shut down from there, but I assume if I can restart that I can also shut down from the login screen.
Now the next thing to try is to see if you can shutdown via the shell from KDE. Log back in to KDE, open a shell, su to root and again issue the command "shutdown -r now" to see what happens.
Yes, I was able to do that from the shell. It restarted the computer and I logged back in as usual. If that works, my
first guess for problem shutdown in KDE would be a setting or problem with KDE. Maybe someone else will jump in and offer an opinion as well. I know there is something in YaST2 that let's you set the shutdown procedure, but don't remember the exact place.
That's in Yast2/system adminstration/login manager/shutdown.
There is also a setting to let "everybody" shut things down, you might check to see if you changed that at some point mistakenly to root only.
Nope. I checked and shutdown is set to "local/everybody."
Report back with your findings. Baby steps to track it down. ;o)
Thanks! Gil
On Friday 13 August 2004 06:13 pm, Gil Weber wrote: [...]
If that works, my
first guess for problem shutdown in KDE would be a setting or problem with KDE. Maybe someone else will jump in and offer an opinion as well. I know there is something in YaST2 that let's you set the shutdown procedure, but don't remember the exact place.
That's in Yast2/system adminstration/login manager/shutdown.
There is also a setting to let "everybody" shut things down, you might check to see if you changed that at some point mistakenly to root only.
Nope. I checked and shutdown is set to "local/everybody."
Report back with your findings. Baby steps to track it down. ;o)
Thanks! Gil =========
Ok, Gil, I think we might be back to someone else's suggestion then. You have a stray program running that KDE can't seem to kill on shutdown. You can close anything running, especially non-KDE programs down before attempting to logout. Be sure to check your systray for anything there, other than normal stuff and check the taskbar for any other windows/programs open still. If that works to cure your problem, then if you like, you can start eliminating them one by one, until you find the rogue program! If it continues to hang after quitting everything, then we might have a program that closes it's window, when you select quit from the menu, but not actually quitting! You can press ctrl-esc to get kdesysguard up and see if they all quit and were removed from the list of processes. Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.82 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 I do everything my Rice Krispies tell me to do!
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Ok, Gil, I think we might be back to someone else's suggestion then. You have a stray program running that KDE can't seem to kill on shutdown. You can close anything running, especially non-KDE programs down before attempting to logout. Be sure to check your systray for anything there, other than normal stuff and check the taskbar for any other windows/programs open still. If that works to cure your problem, then if you like, you can start eliminating them one by one, until you find the rogue program! If it continues to hang after quitting everything, then we might have a program that closes it's window, when you select quit from the menu, but not actually quitting! You can press ctrl-esc to get kdesysguard up and see if they all quit and were removed from the list of processes.
Lee, my guess is that it's my e-mail program (Polarbar). From time to time when I click reply or forward I do not get a complete new screen into which I would enter the new message and address. Instead I get a blank window -- not fully "painted"). My guess is that I'm having some sort of video problem. When I get the partially painted window it hangs the e-mail program, and I have to do ctrl/alt/esc (or use the sysguard) to kill the program. I'm thinking that maybe something is causing the e-mail program to remain open in the background, even though it doesn't appear in the system tray at the bottom of the screen. I am still pursuing this as a possibility. I will let you know if I can make any more definitive conclusions based on my investigations. Thanks Gil
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