[opensuse] Open Office Question

James Hatridge

13 Feb 2011 13 Feb '11

09:43

Hi all, How can I turn off all forms of numbering and bullets? I really really really hate it when I try to make a numbered list and the !"§$ program takes over my numbering. Thanks! JIM -- The US was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect some... peculiarities. -Mark Damon Hughes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Gilles SICHE

13 Feb 13 Feb

10:20

I'm not exactly how it goes in English, this is what we get in French : Outils (Tools) / Options d'autocorrection / Options / remplacer les puces par * (replace bullets with *). You need to uncheck that option. Hope it helps, Gilles Siche

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How can I turn off all forms of numbering and bullets? I really really really hate it when I try to make a numbered list and the !"§$ program takes over my numbering.

Thanks!

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C

10:20

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:43, James Hatridge wrote:

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Hi all,

How can I turn off all forms of numbering and bullets? I really really really hate it when I try to make a numbered list and the !"§$ program takes over my numbering.

To turn off all autocorrect functions: Format > AutoCorrect > While Typing for just numbering: Tools > AutoCorrect Options > Apply numbering - symbol and remove the check You can twiddle other autocorrect options in this same settings window. Also take a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writ... Usually.. when users are fighting this feature it's because they are not using Writer as it is intended... with styles. In my experience it usually ends up being an annoyance when the user is hard formatting pages instead of applying/using styles. Of course there are always cases where this isn't what's happening, and you can switch the option off. Works both ways :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Hatridge

10:35

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Open Office Question

Hi!

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On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:43, James Hatridge wrote:

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Hi all,

How can I turn off all forms of numbering and bullets? I really really really hate it when I try to make a numbered list and the !"§$ program takes over my numbering.

To turn off all autocorrect functions: Format > AutoCorrect > While Typing for just numbering: Tools > AutoCorrect Options > Apply numbering - symbol and remove the check

You can twiddle other autocorrect options in this same settings window.

Also take a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writ er_Guide/Autoformat

Usually.. when users are fighting this feature it's because they are not using Writer as it is intended... with styles. In my experience it usually ends up being an annoyance when the user is hard formatting pages instead of applying/using styles. Of course there are always cases where this isn't what's happening, and you can switch the option off. Works both ways :-)

C.

Thanks, I found it. When I write short 1 to 3 page documents I don't want "so much" help. :) On the other hand, when I'm writing 50 or more pages, then it worth my time to set up the styles. Thanks, JIM -- The US was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect some... peculiarities. -Mark Damon Hughes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Daniel Bauer

12:00

On Sunday 13 February 2011 11.20:53, C wrote:

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Usually.. when users are fighting this feature it's because they are not using Writer as it is intended... with styles. In my experience it usually ends up being an annoyance when the user is hard formatting pages instead of applying/using styles.

sorry for using this for an off topic question, but as you pointed to styles in OOO...: If you know how I can create my own style sheet containg *only* my own styles, I'd be greatful if you could point me to a page that explains how to... Years ago I asked on the open office mailing list how I can get rid of the predefined formats and unintentionally started a flame war about my ungratefulness for all the great styles... Except of a huge amount of unhelpful expressions of opinion there was no answer and so I simply don't use styles in OOO (and unsibscribed from that list...). I am used to work with styles since PageMaker-times, use them in html css and so on, I'd really appreciate to use them in writer as well, but I have not found a way to get rid of the tons of predefined formats. Per type of doc I need maybe 10 styles, but I have to search for them in a huge list, thus making it much faster just to hard format. Your sentence above brought up back the topic to my mind. Maybe something changed meanwhile, so if the possibility to create slim, simple custom style sheets exists now, I'd like to know... kind regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic nudes: http://www.guapamania.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

13:46

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 13:00, Daniel Bauer wrote:

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If you know how I can create my own style sheet containg *only* my own styles, I'd be greatful if you could point me to a page that explains how to...

Define the styles you want, save them to the Default template, or create your own custom template. Then in the Styles window, down at the bottom there is a dropdown... set it to Custom Styles... and presto, you see only your own styles. You cannot remove the built-in styles, but you definitely do not need to use them or look at them. Take a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Gett... and http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Gett...

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I am used to work with styles since PageMaker-times, use them in html css and so on, I'd really appreciate to use them in writer as well, but I have not found a way to get rid of the tons of predefined formats. Per type of doc I need maybe 10 styles, but I have to search for them in a huge list, thus making it much faster just to hard format.

You're simply using styles the "hard way" if you have to search for them :-) If you're defining 100% custom styles - ie not re-using any predefined styles, then use the Custom Styles view i mentioned above. Alternatively, you can use the Applied Styles view and you see the styles, both custom and predefined, that are in use in the document - makes it super easy to repeat specific styles through a document.

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changed meanwhile, so if the possibility to create slim, simple custom style sheets exists now, I'd like to know...

This chapter: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Gett... should cover all the basics you need to know. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Daniel Bauer

14:57

On Sunday 13 February 2011 14.46:42, C wrote:

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On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 13:00, Daniel Bauer wrote:

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If you know how I can create my own style sheet containg *only* my own styles, I'd be greatful if you could point me to a page that explains how to...

Define the styles you want, save them to the Default template, or create your own custom template. Then in the Styles window, down at the bottom there is a dropdown... set it to Custom Styles... and presto, you see only your own styles.

You cannot remove the built-in styles, but you definitely do not need to use them or look at them.

Take a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Get ting_Started/Deleting_styles and http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Get ting_Started/Creating_new_styles

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I am used to work with styles since PageMaker-times, use them in html css and so on, I'd really appreciate to use them in writer as well, but I have not found a way to get rid of the tons of predefined formats. Per type of doc I need maybe 10 styles, but I have to search for them in a huge list, thus making it much faster just to hard format.

You're simply using styles the "hard way" if you have to search for them :-)

If you're defining 100% custom styles - ie not re-using any predefined styles, then use the Custom Styles view i mentioned above. Alternatively, you can use the Applied Styles view and you see the styles, both custom and predefined, that are in use in the document - makes it super easy to repeat specific styles through a document.

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changed meanwhile, so if the possibility to create slim, simple custom style sheets exists now, I'd like to know...

This chapter: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Get ting_Started/Templates_and_Styles should cover all the basics you need to know.

C.

thanks for your detailed reply. I had a look at the pages, did a quick test and found that my personal problem with the way OpenOffice uses styles still remains. Bu thanks for your kind effort anyway! Daniel ------------- details/rant for the interested only: -------------------- The problem remains that in the selection list (above the text window, below the menu) still appear all predefined styles, not only my own. This is where I'd have to search in the endless list. I found no way to alter the contents of that list. As nearly all useful names are in use by the predefined styles, I cannot give good names to my own ones, or I'd have to name them like "0_my_title1" thus making the list even longer... To make it worse, when clicking "more..." the styles window changes from "user defined styles" to "automatic". If I'd simply ignore the said list and just use the separate styles window, first I have one more window open (or a larger window/smaller working space if docked), and second I have to double-click on a style to apply it. So I'm still faster just making something "bold" or font-size n than using the styles. Using styles for me just multipicates the amount of clicks. Opening an existing document, changing the contents and "save as" is more comfortable than "open with template...". Must say that I don't use writer very professionally; some letters, some small publications, some bills. ------------- a bit of rant, not to answer please: -------------------- I just wonder why OpenOffice is not capable to present a styles tool where the user decides what and how he wants to use it, as adobe already could do that many many years ago in a very easy, very transparent way. It is one reason why I love linux that linux usually doesn't "think" for me (like windows for example) and just does what I tell it to do. But OpenOffice is very very MS- Word, I guess therefor much more succesful than if it was like I liked it :-) -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic nudes: http://www.guapamania.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

16:02

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 15:57, Daniel Bauer wrote:

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The problem remains that in the selection list (above the text window, below the menu) still appear all predefined styles, not only my own. This is where I'd have to search in the endless list. I found no way to alter the contents of that list.

That list is simply a "quick list" and TBH, not useful for any real documentation development. Press F11 and open the Styles window, and filter the results. Set it to Custom Styles or Applied Styles. I'd suggest not even trying to use the quick dropdown list at all.

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As nearly all useful names are in use by the predefined styles, I cannot give good names to my own ones, or I'd have to name them like "0_my_title1" thus making the list even longer...

You can modify the existing styles, reusing the predefined names.

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To make it worse, when clicking "more..." the styles window changes from "user defined styles" to "automatic".

For real serious style use... as I mentioned, don't use the quick menu... it's only "quick" for simple stuff. beyond that it becomes more trouble to use than it's worth.

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If I'd simply ignore the said list and just use the separate styles window, first I have one more window open (or a larger window/smaller working space if docked), and second I have to double-click on a style to apply it.

So I'm still faster just making something "bold" or font-size n than using the styles. Using styles for me just multipicates the amount of clicks. Opening an existing document, changing the contents and "save as" is more comfortable than "open with template...".

That may be faster in a small document, but it's a nightmare if you want to change some aspect - but since you are familiar with styles, you're already aware of that. I hate working on a doc that has hard formatting... they make my job a LOT more difficult. but... for a simple letter... or a quick one page doc that is only temporary (ie info only, not something that will persist over multiple edits), I do the same.. hard format and be done with it.

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Must say that I don't use writer very professionally; some letters, some small publications, some bills.

I use OOo for my job, and at home. Once the custom styles are defined how you want them to be, and you set the Styles window "correctly" it's actually very useful. I've worked on professional documents in the 2000 page range with Writer... with 100% custom styles. I agree the defaults are poorly defined (just make a test doc and apply the various predefined Heading styles in order... and you will see what I mean), and a major pain if you're trying to sort through them as your main Styles view... a huge long list of styles that is difficult to filter if you're using the All Styles view. Step around that to the Custom Styles or Applied Styles view, and it's OK.

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I just wonder why OpenOffice is not capable to present a styles tool where the user decides what and how he wants to use it

I've had this exact discussion with the OOo devs a few times (most of them sit down the hall or in the 2 floors below my office). There are various answers... and my interpretation of the answers comes down to... legacy (it's been like that forever), lack of developer time to "fix" it, and it's useful for new users. Each excuse is easily countered... the real reason I think though, is lack of developer resources... at least from the Sun and now Oracle side. There are loads of "why" questions with OOo... like why can't you style tables... why are the predefined styles so bad, and so difficult to work with etc etc. :-P Like any software, once you work around the idiosyncrasies, it does the job. :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

13:59

New subject: [opensuse] Libre Office (was: Open Office) Question

Is it worth switching over ? Has anyone done that yet? Do we get a new set of spiffy icons? T-Shirts? Hats? Does it look just the same or is this like a Microsoft Upgrade where we get a completely different UI and have to discard all we knew before? Will all the this discussed earlier in this thread still apply? The same functionality? Again, I note that in the past, later versions of MS-Word have formatted and printed documents created with earlier versions quite differently. It will really spoil my life and waste my time if I have to re-edit documents to make them look like they 'used to'. I've been though that at client sites where they suffered this from Microsoft! What a bummer! Will our old settings under ~/.ooo3 still apply or will the be redone as a LO version? In the past I've been forced to load the A4 templates even though I don't want or use them. Is this 'requirement' going to be removed? -- There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe everything or to doubt everything; both ways save us from thinking. -- Alfred Korzybski -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

14:28

New subject: [opensuse] Libre Office (was: Open Office) Question

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 14:59, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Is it worth switching over ? Has anyone done that yet? Do we get a new set of spiffy icons? T-Shirts? Hats? Does it look just the same or is this like a Microsoft Upgrade where we get a completely different UI and have to discard all we knew before?

Best place to look is here: http://www.libreoffice.org/features/ LibreOffice is based on OpenOffice.org, in roughly the same way Go-OO was based on OOo (not counting for any political kerfuffle and/or agreement/disagreement with Oracle, which has nothing to do with compatibility)... Go-OO was what you got with openSUSE in past releases. You will be getting LibreOffice by default in all upcoming mainstream Linux distributions. Essentially, you should see no difference... although there may be bugs in the LibO version that are not in OOo and vice versa... but this is no different that with past releases of OOo/Go-OO. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ilya Chernykh

22:27

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On Sunday 13 February 2011 17:28:45 C wrote:

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LibreOffice is based on OpenOffice.org, in roughly the same way Go-OO was based on OOo (not counting for any political kerfuffle and/or agreement/disagreement with Oracle, which has nothing to do with compatibility)... Go-OO was what you got with openSUSE in past releases.

In OpenSUSE 11.3 it is called OpenOffice.org, not Go-OO. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14 Feb 14 Feb

00:30

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In OpenSUSE 11.3 it is called OpenOffice.org, not Go-OO.

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lynn

13 Feb 13 Feb

15:28

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On Sunday 13 Feb 2011 14:59:11 Anton Aylward wrote:

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Is it worth switching over ? Has anyone done that yet? Do we get a new set of spiffy icons? T-Shirts? Hats? Does it look just the same or is this like a Microsoft Upgrade where we get a completely different UI and have to discard all we knew before?

Will all the this discussed earlier in this thread still apply? The same functionality? Again, I note that in the past, later versions of MS-Word have formatted and printed documents created with earlier versions quite differently.

It will really spoil my life and waste my time if I have to re-edit documents to make them look like they 'used to'. I've been though that at client sites where they suffered this from Microsoft! What a bummer!

Will our old settings under ~/.ooo3 still apply or will the be redone as a LO version?

In the past I've been forced to load the A4 templates even though I don't want or use them. Is this 'requirement' going to be removed?

I don't think opensuse ships openoffice any longer. It now has it's own novell version of go-oo (www.go-oo.org) which merged with libre office. Unless you use base you are better off with the opensuse version. It looks modern and users switching from office do fine. Base is different. If you want to connect to mysql and get support you'll have to stick with openoffice. L x L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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