Am Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 08:29:06 schrieb Sven Burmeister:

Am Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 07:50:28 schrieb Michael S. Dunsavage:

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I've been trying to install Amarok2 on OS11.1. I've even used the repo on Amarok's page, but it wants down grade to workspace 4.1.1. I don't want to do that if I'm running 4.3. How can I fix this problem?

You should check the repo-priorities and make sure oss' is lower than the KDE 4.3 one, i.e. a higher number.

And I forgot: kde4-amarok is now amarok if you are using KDE:Factory or :UNSTABLE. If you try to install amarok 2.0.x the downgrade seems reasonable. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 09:34:54 schrieb Michael S. Dunsavage:

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And I forgot: kde4-amarok is now amarok if you are using KDE:Factory or

:UNSTABLE. If you try to install amarok 2.0.x the downgrade seems : reasonable.

Yeah, 2.1.1 is out, and I tried a 1-click install for that and it complains about the same. But I'm not sure I want to downgrade to 4.1.3 when i have 4.2.93 installed. I really like 4.3

You do not have to, amarok 2.1.1 is available in the kde:factory or unstable repo and works with 4.3. If you have 4.3 you also have one of those repos. Just try to install amarok and not kde4-amarok. You can also go to http://software.opensuse.org/search and search for amarok. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 11:09:12 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 09:41 +0200, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 09:34:54 schrieb Michael S. Dunsavage:

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And I forgot: kde4-amarok is now amarok if you are using KDE:Factory or

:UNSTABLE. If you try to install amarok 2.0.x the downgrade seems : reasonable.

Yeah, 2.1.1 is out, and I tried a 1-click install for that and it complains about the same. But I'm not sure I want to downgrade to 4.1.3 when i have 4.2.93 installed. I really like 4.3

You do not have to, amarok 2.1.1 is available in the kde:factory or unstable repo and works with 4.3. If you have 4.3 you also have one of those repos. Just try to install amarok and not kde4-amarok.

By 4.3, you mean the stuff in: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/42

Right? And Factory is now 4.4

Did you read http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4 ? To be honest, if you cannot handle package conflicts and don't have a clue about the repos, you should stick to whatever comes on the DVD and save you the trouble you will almost certainly run into.

What about Community and Backports?

Which Qt version is best with this?

I know there is a one-click install, but I do not think it deals with QT/Community/Backports.

It does, there is one for the base, one for community and none for backports, because those are just KDE3. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 05:38:51 schrieb Michael S. Dunsavage:

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 20:30 +0200, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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To be honest, if you cannot handle package conflicts and don't have a clue about the repos,

Fuck Off.

Thanks. Please quote full sentences.

I did manage to get it upgraded just by upgrading amarok. I did not notice that there was an updated version available in the yast software management because I only searched for kde4-amarok. Now take your attitude and go away if you're not going to post anything useful.

Please don't make me cry! You starting to insult people really makes me feel bad about my remark phrased in a non-insulting way and only pointing out that if people cannot get past conflicts and repo config might run into trouble they cannot handle. Your frustration must really be a pain in your life. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 10:31:56 schrieb Michael S. Dunsavage:

On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 09:04 +0200, Sven Burmeister wrote: Here, you're complete sentence.

"To be honest, if you cannot handle package conflicts and don't have a clue about the repos, you should stick to whatever comes on the DVD and save you the trouble you will almost certainly run into."

How am I supposed to take that? You're essentially saying because I ran into some trouble here that I'm too stupid to use repos? That's what I got from "and don't have a clue". I thought this mail list was for help on things like this. Silly me.

Indeed silly you, reading into it what you think of yourself is not really my problem. What I said is in the quote, nothing more and nothing less. If people have issues resolving conflicts they should think twice if what they do is within their scope otherwise they might end up with a broken system/KDE/whatever. And I was the only one even trying to help you but who cares about that tiny fact. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 11:37:22 schrieb Mike:

On Thursday 02 July 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Please don't make me cry! You starting to insult people really makes me feel bad about my remark phrased in a non-insulting way and only pointing out that if people cannot get past conflicts and repo config might run into trouble they cannot handle.

Your frustration must really be a pain in your life.

And you have NEVER had a problem that YOU couldn't solve without asking for help? Yea right..

And how does that relate to what I said? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 14:44:18 schrieb Mike:

On Thursday 02 July 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 11:37:22 schrieb Mike:

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On Thursday 02 July 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Please don't make me cry! You starting to insult people really makes me feel bad about my remark phrased in a non-insulting way and only pointing out that if people cannot get past conflicts and repo config might run into trouble they cannot handle.

Your frustration must really be a pain in your life.

And you have NEVER had a problem that YOU couldn't solve without asking for help? Yea right..

And how does that relate to what I said?

I guess it's hard for you to understand exactly what you said, and how you said it. He had a problem, he was looking for help in the solution. You come in and state that if he doesn't know what he is doing that he should stick with the DVD. Then you get even more sarcastic when he calls you on it. And as I said, you have obviously NEVER had a problem with something that you couldn't fix. Wow. That's amazing. You've never asked for help. You must either stick with the stock installation, or are so well versed that nothing is beyond you.

The only thing that is really hard for me to understand is that you seem to deliberately ignore parts of this thread and thus fail to make a valid point. Most obvious, but by far not the only thing you ignored, is that I never used words like "stupid" or phrases like "fuck off". Especially the latter is something I would never use, simply because I would discredit myself no matter how valid my point is. He did, that's really all there is to say regarding his attitude and self-awareness. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 16:34:14 schrieb Mike:

On Thursday 02 July 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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The only thing that is really hard for me to understand is that you seem to deliberately ignore parts of this thread and thus fail to make a valid point.

Not at all. My point is perfectly valid. Your response was not exactly what I'd call helpful. You are right, his response wasn't the best after that, but you continue on. That's your choice. But when you continue to deny that your response of "To be honest, if you cannot handle package conflicts and don't have a clue about the repos, you should stick to whatever comes on the DVD and save you the trouble you will almost certainly run into." was uncalled for. And this was after you had tried to be helpful. That's the reason I made the response I did. Maybe instead of that remark, you should have given up and not replied. I try to help also, but when I realize that my suggestions can't help, or won't help for whatever reason, I just stop.

You are right that I had a choice of either just stopping or warning him that users that cannot handle package conflicts might cause themselves more bad than good when using non-DVD stuff. I'm not sure whether not warning them is the better choice per se ─ judging his reaction it would have been the best if I did not even start trying to help in the first place. That does not mean though that it warning people uncalled-for, quite in contrast, warnings are most useful, especially given the experience with people messing their system due to uninformed actions regarding KDE+Qt packages and repos. I hope I remember his name for the next help request and simply stop before I start helping. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2009 08:45:28 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:

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By 4.3, you mean the stuff in: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/42

Right? And Factory is now 4.4

Did you read http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4 ?

To be honest, if you cannot handle package conflicts and don't have a clue about the repos, you should stick to whatever comes on the DVD and save you the trouble you will almost certainly run into.

Sven, that is a bit harsh. I know this stuff very well. I am not having problems. But I do perceive a lack of information on a few points, as I asked. Please show me even a reference to Community or Backports in that page. There is none. I stand by my statement that there is no SINGLE and CONSISTENT description of ALL the parts in repositories/KDE:

If we cannot comment on existing documentation, how will it improve.

This is going to be called harsh again instead of just taken as what it was, i.e. a warning to users that using non-DVD stuff might get them into trouble they cannot cope with. If I just count the times I helped people who were using the wrong Qt repo and hence had YaST failing... To find info about all KDE repos I did: http://www.google.com/search?q=kde4+repositories&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 which displays http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories as first result and on that page one finds a lists all repos and a sentence of explanation for each. I think that one can expect people to use google before claiming a lack of information.

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What about Community and Backports?

Which Qt version is best with this?

I know there is a one-click install, but I do not think it deals with QT/Community/Backports.

It does, there is one for the base, one for community and none for backports, because those are just KDE3.

Which one-click install sets these up for KDE 4.3?

Not sure which page I found those on, it's been a while since I added the repos. They might even have been removed because too many people that should not used playground or community repos and ran into trouble. If you cannot find them just use the one-click install to add the base and add the others manually or use the repos list mentioned above to copy and paste the correct URL. Regarding "which Qt to use for what repo", if one right-clicks the base one- click install link and opens it in a text-editor, one can see the repos it suggests to add. If there is no Qt repo, you do not need any, either because the packages are already part of that repo or because your opensuse version's fit the purpose. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:29:17 +0100, you wrote:

An even better solution would be lets can that darn Amarok thing it IS the pits and get back to XMMS far far far better

You're barking up the wrong tree. Xmms is based on gtk1 and there is *no* way a gtk1 application will be added to the distribution. Complain to the xmms2 developers to get their act together and release a stable version of xmms2. That would have good chances to be added to openSUSE. BTW, I like and use xmms too, so I would really love to see a working xmms2 with adapted plugins. But the way things are looking, I doubt we'll ever see a stable xmms2. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Bob S <911@sanctum.com> [07-02-09 21:59]:

Clarification for me.

I also love and use XMMS on 11.0 which runs gtk-1.2.10-1049.1. Does that mean if I upgrade to 11.2 I will be unable to run XMMS?

1. you *could* look and see if the package was available for 11.2. 2. I have it installed in 11.2. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:58:58 -0400, you wrote:

I also love and use XMMS on 11.0 which runs gtk-1.2.10-1049.1. Does that mean if I upgrade to 11.2 I will be unable to run XMMS?

It will run as the gtk1 libraries are still available. But xmms is a dead end and it's replacement is not in sight. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org