On 01/19/2017 02:25 PM, Mark Hounschell wrote:

On 01/19/2017 02:41 PM, Terry Eck wrote:

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I have a DELL XPS 64bit computer and I've tried Tumbleweed and Leap 4.2. Between the two which is the most stable.

Is the another openSUSE version more stable for 64bit computers?

The reason I ask is because I've had problem with both Tumbleweed and Leap. Until now I've had great luck

using openSUSE software on my old 32bit computer.

OpenSuSE 13.2 by far IMHO.

Mark

Is there a 64bit version. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/19/2017 02:56 PM, Mark Hounschell wrote:

On 01/19/2017 03:40 PM, Terry Eck wrote:

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On 01/19/2017 02:25 PM, Mark Hounschell wrote:

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On 01/19/2017 02:41 PM, Terry Eck wrote:

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I have a DELL XPS 64bit computer and I've tried Tumbleweed and Leap 4.2. Between the two which is the most stable.

Is the another openSUSE version more stable for 64bit computers?

The reason I ask is because I've had problem with both Tumbleweed and Leap. Until now I've had great luck

using openSUSE software on my old 32bit computer.

OpenSuSE 13.2 by far IMHO.

Mark

Is there a 64bit version.

Absolutely. https://software.opensuse.org/132/en

Mark

Thanks, will download and burn iso. I really hope this solves my problems I've been having with Tumbleweed and Leap 4.2. Terry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

A bit shocked that this has not arrived here to all of us. So, from opensuse-security mailing list: Hi all, with the release of tilda on January 17th, 2017 the SUSE sponsored maintenance of openSUSE 13.2 has ended. openSUSE 13.2 is now officially discontinued and out of support by SUSE. Here are some statistics: openSUSE 13.2 was released on November 4th 2014, making it ca. 26 months of security and bugfix support. Some statistics on the released patches (compared to 13.1 before Evergreen): Total updates: 1344 (+102) Security: 707 (+90) Recommended: 625 (+6) Optional: 12 (+7) Feature: 0 (-1) Fixed CVE-entries: 2651 (+339) Fixed Bugs (overall): 3905 (+876) A huge thanks to our awesome packagers, community and all involved people, who made the next great release possible! Your maintenance- and security-team -- Benjamin Brunner -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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On 01/19/2017 02:41 PM, Terry Eck wrote: > I have a DELL XPS 64bit computer and I've tried Tumbleweed and Leap ... > The reason I ask is because I've had problem with both Tumbleweed ... I am trying to fix the problem. I plan to reinstall Leap 4.2 and if there is no problems I will go with it. I have found a problem with Plasma 5 in Tumbleweed in that under IceWM the mouse is not a problem. If Leap 4.2 fails to work long term (at least 3 months) I will try Tumbleweed for a third time. If no luck there I'll go with 13.2 to see if it works for me.

Thanks for your advice. Terry

Please describe your hardware and your problem. On the list! If not, you will get guesses from people that had other problems on other hardware. This is pointless.

On 2017-01-20 01:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 01/19/2017 04:33 PM, stakanov wrote:

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Sorry but this is senseless. 13.2 received yesterday the out of support notice. It is deprecated and will not receive any updates or security updates. So you better fix the problem you have instead of searching for a new one.

No, its not senseless. After all, there are many other repositories that can deal with updates anyway, ignoring the official ones.

For example, I use the Kernel_Stable repository for my kernel updates rather than the official 13.2 repository. There also the Mozilla repository, language, LibreOffice and many more.

All those repos will stop producing things for 13.2 in a matter of weeks if not days. Sorry, but I also think that installing 13.2 now is senseless, except for testing or proving a point. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 01/19/2017 07:18 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-01-20 01:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/19/2017 04:33 PM, stakanov wrote:

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Sorry but this is senseless. 13.2 received yesterday the out of support notice. It is deprecated and will not receive any updates or security updates. So you better fix the problem you have instead of searching for a new one.

No, its not senseless. After all, there are many other repositories that can deal with updates anyway, ignoring the official ones.

For example, I use the Kernel_Stable repository for my kernel updates rather than the official 13.2 repository. There also the Mozilla repository, language, LibreOffice and many more.

All those repos will stop producing things for 13.2 in a matter of weeks if not days.

Sorry, but I also think that installing 13.2 now is senseless, except for testing or proving a point.

It's senseless unless you want a machine that JUST works. I will be using the repos described above for my 13.2 installations for the foreseeable future. I installed Leap 42.2 this morning and it was a nogo for me. First, in the expert partitioning, for every partition I setup (ext4) upon completion the partitioner barfed and spit out some message about debugging the problem (experts only) and had to reenter the expert partitioning for each partition I set up. Fortunately my settings were not lost and I was actually allowed to set them up as I did in 13.2. Then I noticed I could get to no virtual consoles during the install or even after the install was complete and at the graphical login screen. What's up with that? Then when I logged in I get a black screen with a mouse cursor. Mouse buttons do nothing and had no desktop at all. Come on. Install problems? Dead machine after install? IMHO, Leap should be more stable than this. It's like I was back in the SuSE 7.0 days. No thanks. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Sorry Mark, by a mistake that went to your desk, should have gone here, apologies. In data martedì 24 gennaio 2017 09:55:34, Mark Hounschell ha scritto:

On 01/19/2017 07:18 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-01-20 01:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/19/2017 04:33 PM, stakanov wrote:

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Sorry but this is senseless. 13.2 received yesterday the out of support notice. It is deprecated and will not receive any updates or security updates. So you better fix the problem you have instead of searching for a new one.>> No, its not senseless. After all, there are many other repositories that can deal with updates anyway, ignoring the official ones.

For example, I use the Kernel_Stable repository for my kernel updates rather than the official 13.2 repository. There also the Mozilla repository, language, LibreOffice and many more.

All those repos will stop producing things for 13.2 in a matter of weeks if not days.

Sorry, but I also think that installing 13.2 now is senseless, except for testing or proving a point.

It's senseless unless you want a machine that JUST works. I will be using the repos described above for my 13.2 installations for the foreseeable future.

I installed Leap 42.2 this morning and it was a nogo for me.

First, in the expert partitioning, for every partition I setup (ext4) upon completion the partitioner barfed and spit out some message about debugging the problem (experts only) and had to reenter the expert partitioning for each partition I set up. Fortunately my settings were not lost and I was actually allowed to set them up as I did in 13.2.

Then I noticed I could get to no virtual consoles during the install or even after the install was complete and at the graphical login screen. What's up with that?

Then when I logged in I get a black screen with a mouse cursor. Mouse buttons do nothing and had no desktop at all.

Come on. Install problems? Dead machine after install? IMHO, Leap should be more stable than this. It's like I was back in the SuSE 7.0 days. No thanks.

Mark

Well, maybe to tell you what happened, one would have to know: Did you do an update or a fresh install with formatting root? Do you have an AMD graphics card? Nvidia? Intel? What is your RAM? Did you read the release note? You can get virtual consoles any time, nothing changed from 13.2-42.1-42.2. When you logged in..... what desktop did you set to use? Did you maintain the home? Did you try to set up a new empty user to see if the problems were user dependent (local settings) or if this is really a problem with the graphics driver? Come on. Install problems? Dead machine after install because you run into quirks with proprietary driver or because you do an update over two generations (jumping right away 42.1). Yeap that can of course happen. Black screen with a mouse coursor indicates more of a graphics problem (probably plasma crashed). If you wait long enough it should come back all alone (is the case since 42.1 that plasma once crashed generally autostarts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Then when I logged in I get a black screen with a mouse cursor. Mouse buttons do nothing and had no desktop at all.

It's probably not related, but -- when I put oS 42 on my wife's HP Probook, it would install fine but when I'd reboot it after the installation, it would just end up in a reboot loop, or it would try to boot and then black screen. To fix it, I had to put the hard drive in IDE mode, install, reboot (which would go fine) and then turn it back over to AHCI mode after the first reboot. I repeated this issue on my own Probook (using a different hard drive.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-01-24 22:47, Mark Hounschell wrote:

On 01/24/2017 04:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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First, in the expert partitioning, for every partition I setup (ext4) upon completion the partitioner barfed and spit out some message about debugging the problem (experts only) and had to reenter the expert partitioning for each partition I set up. Fortunately my settings were not lost and I was actually allowed to set them up as I did in 13.2.

Were you using labels for the partitions? This particular feature is broken in this version installer.

Yes, in fact I was.

There you have. It is a known problem, I found it. O:-) And it is in the release notes. It is possible that some of the later problems came from that one.

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Something went badly wrong for you.

Installed a 4.9.5 kernel and patched 304.134 nvidia driver and I now have a Desktop and virtual consoles. Like I said though this was just a "try and see". I'm still going to be running 13.2 for some time. Leap does _look_ good though.

Well, if 42.2 has more issues you have to report them in bugzilla so that they get corrected, either now or for 42.3. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

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Still won't be using Leap in house yet. As I said I'm sticking to 13.2. I may keep the Leap disk around to play with as I get the time but I have work to do and will be doing it on 13.2. BTW, I've only reported 2-3 bugs via Bugzilla but don't remember ANY of them ever being resolved.

re: Bugzilla With so small a sample size and unknown time period, there are many legitimate reasons that none of your 2-3 bugs have been resolved. Care to provide reference to put your "claim" into perspective? w/o some reference, your claim is meaningless and amounts to fud. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Mark Hounschell [01-25-17 08:30]:

On 01/25/2017 08:11 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Still won't be using Leap in house yet. As I said I'm sticking to 13.2. I may keep the Leap disk around to play with as I get the time but I have work to do and will be doing it on 13.2. BTW, I've only reported 2-3 bugs via Bugzilla but don't remember ANY of them ever being resolved.

re: Bugzilla With so small a sample size and unknown time period, there are many legitimate reasons that none of your 2-3 bugs have been resolved. Care to provide reference to put your "claim" into perspective? w/o some reference, your claim is meaningless and amounts to fud.

Some of you get so personal about things. This wasn't a knock on anything. I was simply making a statement of fact. It's not a "claim" that I need prove nor do I give a rats A what your personal opinion about it is.

So you get *huffy*? Not a fact w/o some substantiation, merely fud! If you didn't care, better left unsaid. enjoy your day. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 26.01.2017 um 06:18 schrieb L A Walsh:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Then make sure you make a local mirror copy of all the repos you may need now and in the future, because they will be deleted soon, if not already.

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Repos going back to the 12.x timeframe are still around. Who would go out of their way to sabotage the 13.2 repos?

Probably he mainly meant buildservice repos? Because those are usually disappearing quickly for unsupported distros. The main repos are alive for a real long time (so far). Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

Le 26/01/2017 à 06:18, L A Walsh a écrit :

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Then make sure you make a local mirror copy of all the repos you may need now and in the future, because they will be deleted soon, if not already.

---- That's abusive!

Repos going back to the 12.x timeframe are still around. Who would go out of their way to sabotage the 13.2 repos?

may be OBS accounts?

depends what you mean about "repos"

Typically http://download.opensuse.org I would think. The OBS repositories do get cleared out quite quickly. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-6.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-01-26 06:18, L A Walsh wrote:

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Repos going back to the 12.x timeframe are still around. Who would go out of their way to sabotage the 13.2 repos?

The repos at openSUSE infrastructure will be deleted,

What domain names are you talking about? When I try to ping infrastructure.opensuse.org, I get "unknown host". I'm talking about 'download.opensuse.org'. On that site, if you go to the "distribution" directory, you can see distributions 11.4, 12.{1,2,3}, 13.{1,2}, leap, current and stable. Are you thinking that 13.2 will be deleted leaving only 11.4-13.1 (& current distributions)? That's the part I'm questioning. Looking at 12.1, it's dated from 2011, or over 5 years ago. I would expect that 13.2 would not be deleted for, _at least_, a few years. It may not be guaranteed, but looking at previous releases, they seem to be kept for 5+ years. Is there something about 13.2 that is different? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

In data venerdì 27 gennaio 2017 00:07:35, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:

(Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen, whatever that means) Society for scientific elaboration of data GmbH (is the equivalent of LTD - so it is not a University if it is a GmbH). Cheers.

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stakanov wrote:

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In data venerdì 27 gennaio 2017 00:07:35, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:

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(Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen, whatever that means)

Society for scientific elaboration of data GmbH (is the equivalent of LTD - so it is not a University if it is a GmbH).

Largely irrelevant, but gwdg is a joint setup, owned by the Uni Göttingen and the Max-Planck Society.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_f%C3%BCr_wissenschaftliche_Datenv erarbeitung_mbH_G%C3%B6ttingen Thanks. nice update, wouldn't have come to my mind to search in wiki. Interesting, a University and a no profit Organisation can choose a joint venture with a LTD as legal figure. Nice. Totally O.T. but as we are there: in Italy you can also found a one person LTD (so called SRL) but you enjoy the legal advantages of it only with a second societal member. As a result, many choose

In data venerdì 27 gennaio 2017 10:49:48, Per Jessen ha scritto: their wife. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Very OT - but how can you have a one-person SRL that isn't an SRL ? It seems it must be one or the other. It may be best to continue on opensuse-offtopic. Trying to set up IRC but I do not understand a thing. Program is KDE Konversation. Can you point me to the pertinent info? Never used that in my life. The nick is quite straightforward but the "Autoidentify"? What kind of server to choose, what password? Puzzled. Is my nick my email?

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stakanov composed on 2017-01-27 12:31 (UTC+0100):

Trying to set up IRC but I do not understand a thing. Program is KDE Konversation. Can you point me to the pertinent info? Never used that in my life. The nick is quite straightforward but the "Autoidentify"? What kind of server to choose, what password? Puzzled. Is my nick my email?

I don't use Konversation, but I do use IRC. If you have installed SeaMonkey with Chatzilla already installed, or if you install the Chatzilla addon in SeaMonkey or Firefox, then you can goto opensuse IRC directly by pasting one of the following into the browser urlbar: irc://freenode/#opensuse irc://freenode/#opensuse-factory Auto identification isn't always necessary. It's something one does only after registering on an IRC server. Most servers have a help mechanism so you can learn how to do whatever is required or desired with that server, such as registering a "nick" (your IRC name or "handle"). Once you understand how things work you should be able to transfer what you learned into using Konversation. Or, you could try the first Google hit I found: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:IRC_for_newbies -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

stakanov wrote:

Sorry but this is senseless. 13.2 received yesterday the out of support notice. It is deprecated and will not receive any updates or security updates. So you better fix the problem you have instead of searching for a new one.

So...um why not install the same packages from leap or tumbleweed? If you have too many probs with dependencies, then rebuild the RPM from source -- the dependencies can easily be met if you rebuild and fix the spec file. Though -- BETTER would be if apps linked to the library version they needed. Then many library versions could exist "side-by-side" and support apps over several years. MS solved this in Win7 (maybe vista -- didn't use it) several years ago. They keep 10-20 versions of libraries "side-by-side" to link with apps that require a specific version. Why does SuSE refuse to provide this solution? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 20/01/2017 12:52, Carl Hartung wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:53:51 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

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Terry Eck wrote:

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I have a DELL XPS 64bit computer and I've tried Tumbleweed and Leap 4.2. Between the two which is the most stable.

Is the another openSUSE version more stable for 64bit computers?

As Anton likes to say - context is everything. For my purposes & context (desktop business environment, 8-5 office work), 13.1 and 13.2 are both very good. Leap42x is not yet ready for that environment.

I concur, Per, but of course 13.2 is EOL.

In any case, I've concluded that it will be smarter / better this time for me to ride out the rest of 2017 on my current (IMHO) 'production' grade, highly tailored 13.2 installation.

The GNOME2 -> 3 fiasco I experienced during the move from 12.3 to 13.2 was horribly disruptive. I ultimately abandoned GNOME and switched to KDE4. I also installed Mint 17.x w/ Cinnamon DE in parallel -- but in the space that would have normally held the next SuSE / SUSE / openSUSE release. This alternative installation has actually worked out well in the long run, since I'm able to run it at work. Our company's software won't install and run on 13.2.

Is anyone else thinking along these lines?

Thx!

Carl

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Carl Hartung composed on 2017-01-20 07:14 (UTC-0500):

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:57:12 +0100 Jide Ogunmekan wrote:

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I upgraded to Leap 42.2 when it came out and found it more stable than 42.1, especially with plasma. Not had any major issues with it.

That's highly encouraging, Jide. I appreciate your feedback! I can always pop in a spare disk for a trial run.

What's supposedly wrong with 42.1? I've been running it for a year with zero issues. Unless backleveling gtk3 to 42.1's version, 42.2 with IceWM, KDE3, TDE or Plasma5 and maybe others suffers this wontfix usability handicap: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269274 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Personally, I'm more focused on Leap422. For the desktop, these are holding me back:

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905034 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012299 (only for our new Lenovo laptops) https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1011196

The above is really minor, but we have a website that is used internally as well as by customers - it has to work. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On 01/20/2017 11:13 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Carl Hartung composed on 2017-01-20 07:14 (UTC-0500):

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:57:12 +0100 Jide Ogunmekan wrote:

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I upgraded to Leap 42.2 when it came out and found it more stable than 42.1, especially with plasma. Not had any major issues with it.

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That's highly encouraging, Jide. I appreciate your feedback! I can always pop in a spare disk for a trial run.

What's supposedly wrong with 42.1?

Personally, I'm more focused on Leap422. For the desktop, these are holding me back:

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905034 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012299 (only for our new Lenovo laptops) https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1011196 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1015478

None of these affect me for some reason. I probably have different hardware, but scanning, okular and all work great. At least as well as on 13.2. I so seldom use firefox I wouldn't notice any bugs there.

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I also have a "slowness" issue with alt-tab for switching windows, it often seems to need multiple tries before it takes.

This is totally dependent on your Bling level in Desktop Effects. Toggle those off (shift-alt-f12) and you will see it return to being very fast.

All switched off already. The alt-tab still sometimes seems slow to react, and needs to pressed two-three times.

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I have libreoffice and pdf dolphin previews working in leap422, not sure if they also work in leap421. (I would have preferred the previews as tooltips, but the sidebar on the right is okay).

I get previews both in the side panel and (by pressing preview button at the top of dolphin)

That preview is a thumbnail - it's necessary for navigating, but the tooltip is really useful when you are trying to see if you have the right document (date, version, keywords, author) when there are several similar ones - having to shift your eyes over to the right is annoying, but it works.

in the the listing of files. But not as popup tool tips. I suspect that would be annoying as hell.

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On 2017-01-20 18:50, Felix Miata wrote:

What's supposedly wrong with 42.1? I've been running it for a year with zero issues. Unless backleveling gtk3 to 42.1's version, 42.2 with IceWM, KDE3, TDE or Plasma5 and maybe others suffers this wontfix usability handicap: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269274

Precisely. Many components were actually older than in previous releases. I currently don't use either KDE nor Gnome. Too many problems. Can't ensure smooth upgrades over the years, too many paradigm shifts for my liking. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 01/20/2017 04:39 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

KDE's wallpaper situation annoys me too. What situation is that?

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On 01/20/2017 05:55 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

I know about a hack, and I even tried it, but it was a bit complicated to set up. If it annoys me enough I'll try it again.

There was a lengthy hack posted in the principal bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143#c214 which nobody could follow and it was a mess and easily horked. Just two posts up from that there was an elegant solution that should really have the kde devs hanging their head in embarrassment and shame: https://github.com/martenjj/wallpaperswitch I installed that (very minor problem of chasing a few prerequisite packages in Leap, but you might already have all the packages you need. On Manjaro it worked in one shot). It is exactly what you were looking for. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On January 20, 2017 7:34:22 PM PST, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 01/20/2017 05:55 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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I know about a hack, and I even tried it, but it was a bit complicated to set up. If it annoys me enough I'll try it again.

There was a lengthy hack posted in the principal bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143#c214 which nobody could follow and it was a mess and easily horked.

Just two posts up from that there was an elegant solution that should really have the kde devs hanging their head in embarrassment and shame:

https://github.com/martenjj/wallpaperswitch

I installed that (very minor problem of chasing a few prerequisite

* John Andersen [01-01-70 12:34]: packages in Leap,

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but you might already have all the packages you need. On Manjaro it worked in one shot).

It is exactly what you were looking for.

and it does not need to be built. It is available for tw and 42.2 and .1

https://build.opensuse.org/package/binary/home:kill_it/

Oh cool. It wasn't available when I first found it, but then I would never have found that download site. How do things like that get known anyway? I've already submitted two minor bug reports and had them solved. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On January 20, 2017 8:35:43 PM PST, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John Andersen [01-20-17 23:18]:

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On January 20, 2017 7:34:22 PM PST, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 01/20/2017 05:55 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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I know about a hack, and I even tried it, but it was a bit complicated to set up. If it annoys me enough I'll try it again.

There was a lengthy hack posted in the principal bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143#c214 which nobody could follow and it was a mess and easily horked.

Just two posts up from that there was an elegant solution that should really have the kde devs hanging their head in embarrassment and shame:

https://github.com/martenjj/wallpaperswitch

I installed that (very minor problem of chasing a few prerequisite

* John Andersen [01-01-70 12:34]: packages in Leap,

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but you might already have all the packages you need. On Manjaro it worked in one shot).

It is exactly what you were looking for.

and it does not need to be built. It is available for tw and 42.2 and .1

https://build.opensuse.org/package/binary/home:kill_it/

Oh cool.

It wasn't available when I first found it, but then I would never have found that download site. How do things like that get known anyway?

software.opensuse.org/search search for wallpaperswitcher

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I've already submitted two minor bug reports and had them solved.

I don't see report numbers ???

I submitted to the developer on his git-hub page. Probably before this package was built. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 21/01/2017 à 05:17, John Andersen a écrit :

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It wasn't available when I first found it, but then I would never have found that download site. How do things like that get known anyway?

a wiki page?

jdd Not to highjack the thread but regarding the OP about the wallpaper situation above I have also noticed a very annoying issue regarding wallpapers. I did update from 42.1 to 42.2 Then I found that, although some wallpapers had been taken over, others not. And the most curious thing, one of the icons where "blind", that is w/o any

In data sabato 21 gennaio 2017 09:15:07, jdd ha scritto: picture and a title "high security" or something like it (a pity I did not take a shot at the time). I clicked on that....and was presented with a totally different selection of wallpapers... and no way to get back the original choice. So, I have no idea what happened there, but I notice also of other machines that the wallpapers in an upgrade i.e. from 13.2 to 42.1 where (in my case not preserved). Since this is very visible to a user and can touch personal affections I would like to know how I can ensure that the wallpapers installed are available after upgrade. If somebody experienced the same I would be happy to know how to avoid to loose these settings or at least to save the pictures beforehand. About multiple desktops: AFAIK that was more a "we push our activities" no matter what. Since there was also a try to phase out multiple desktop completely to favour activities, I suppose that this "bug" was more an "persuasive enhancement". But I may be badly minded, of course. For me activities would have made sense if I could have bound them to hardware settings. That is the case only energy saving settings. And for elderly users I found them to be a source of mayor despair if activated inadvertently. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday, January 20, 2017 6:08:14 PM EST John Andersen wrote:

On 01/20/2017 05:55 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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I know about a hack, and I even tried it, but it was a bit complicated to set up. If it annoys me enough I'll try it again.

There was a lengthy hack posted in the principal bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143#c214 which nobody could follow and it was a mess and easily horked.

Just two posts up from that there was an elegant solution that should really have the kde devs hanging their head in embarrassment and shame:

https://github.com/martenjj/wallpaperswitch

I installed that (very minor problem of chasing a few prerequisite packages in Leap, but you might already have all the packages you need. On Manjaro it worked in one shot).

It is exactly what you were looking for.

I also found and installed the "wallpaper switch". Easily done. Simple to use. Satisfies the basic requirement of a different wallpaper for each virtual desktop. This is the only acceptable workaround I could find. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Those non-users of Gnome and its derivatives who are contemplating upgrading to 42.2 or TW and who use HiDPI displays should know that there is a known upstream wontfix regression in GTK3 that is likely to cause UI fonts in apps built with GTK3 to disobey desktop settings. Here is further description: https://features.opensuse.org/322401 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/20/2017 08:05 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

but when the new one doesn't work,

Seems a tad harsh. Your meager list of bug in a prior post does not rise to the level of "doesn't work" in my view. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/20/2017 11:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-01-20 20:47, John Andersen wrote:

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On 01/20/2017 08:05 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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but when the new one doesn't work,

Seems a tad harsh. Your meager list of bug in a prior post does not rise to the level of "doesn't work" in my view.

They are blockers for him. They impede his work.

All but one were not Opensuse issues. His scanner issue may be a show stopper for him, but the rest seem annoyances. And none of these seem to be the fault of Opensuse itself. What tuning did he accumulate over the years in 13.2 that was not applied to the 42.2 install? What drivers did he track down and install in the past, and then forget about? I've migrated from release to release so often that I have several old checklists of these things. I keep my prior hard drive in a USB caddy for weeks after an upgrade, and reach back to it to grab settings, config files, drivers, etc. Admittedly, KDE changes over time, sometimes for the worse, but these changes are seldom totally debilitating. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done.

John Andersen wrote:

On 01/20/2017 08:05 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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but when the new one doesn't work,

Seems a tad harsh. Your meager list of bug in a prior post does not rise to the level of "doesn't work" in my view.

I accept it's matter of opinion (and/or context-sensitive), but when someone working on a leap42x desktop cannot print an invoice or an envelope or scan a document without LSD colours, that amounts to "doesnt work" in my book. The network issue with the Lenovo laptops is annoying, and also means we don't want to switch just yet. The truth is that Leap42x does not bring any must-have world-shattering bits of new functionality. When your focus is keeping the office running 8-5, 13.2 is the answer at the moment. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On 01/20/2017 12:17 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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The truth is that Leap42x does not bring any must-have world-shattering bits of new functionality.

On that we agree. Everything about Leap was a retrograde movement from 13.2, which was one of the finest versions Opensuse ever produced.

Couldn't agree more. We've been moving everything to 13.2 for quite some time, xen hosts, physical hosts, desktops, laptops. I'm advocating moving servers to leap422, on that level it's rock-solid.

For my needs, 42.2 is finally at an equivalent level. A few things from KDE4 are missing from Plasma5/KDE5, but that's not Opensuse's fault.

It's not so much about whose fault it is, it's about whether the end result works or not. The apparent deprecation of knode is not openSUSE's fault either, but it has to be dealt with. We'll probably switch to pan instead.

I've been known to run releases long after they have dropped off maintenance, until vulnerabilities start to scare me. (I'm not easily stampeded).

We still have production systems on 11.x, my own workstation is still 10.3. Rock-solid, although firefox is beginning to show it's age. I'm very attached to 10.3 :-) Keeping up with the openSUSE rate of change is not easy when you depend on everything working 24x7. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-4.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/20/2017 03:52 AM, Carl Hartung wrote:

In any case, I've concluded that it will be smarter / better this time for me to ride out the rest of 2017 on my current (IMHO) 'production' grade, highly tailored 13.2 installation.

I was prepared to do the same, and then switch distros when 13.2 finally fell out of maintenance or a serious security flaw appeared. But a hard disk replacement (with an ssd) caused me to reconsider, and give 42.2 a try. (I had the old drive on the shelf as fallback). So I did a fresh install of Leap 42.2, and I have to say I am pleasantly surprised. For the desktop environment, software development, Vmware, etc, I've found 42.2 quite stable, zero crashes, easy to manage. This dated laptop has never been better. I've trimmed (shut off) QT logging chatter, avoided BTRFS entirely. But other that, its a bog standard Opensuse install. I don't understand the criticism of 42.2 for the desktop role. Seems fine to me. And I'm known around here as THAT GUY who would be bitching if there were major problems. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/21/2017 03:17 AM, John Andersen wrote:

On 01/20/2017 03:52 AM, Carl Hartung wrote:

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In any case, I've concluded that it will be smarter / better this time for me to ride out the rest of 2017 on my current (IMHO) 'production' grade, highly tailored 13.2 installation.

I was prepared to do the same, and then switch distros when 13.2 finally fell out of maintenance or a serious security flaw appeared.

But a hard disk replacement (with an ssd) caused me to reconsider, and give 42.2 a try. (I had the old drive on the shelf as fallback).

So I did a fresh install of Leap 42.2, and I have to say I am pleasantly surprised.

For the desktop environment, software development, Vmware, etc, I've found 42.2 quite stable, zero crashes, easy to manage. This dated laptop has never been better.

I've trimmed (shut off) QT logging chatter, avoided BTRFS entirely. But other that, its a bog standard Opensuse install.

I don't understand the criticism of 42.2 for the desktop role. Seems fine to me.

And I'm known around here as THAT GUY who would be bitching if there were major problems.

Wow long thread and lots of good comments. I will just weigh in here and sort of reiterate what John is saying. I bought a Dell XPS back in March of last year, upgraded to a 500GB SSD over the 128 that it came with, set it up for dual boot on Windows 10 and openSUSE, and then installed Leap 42.1 on it. Leap 42.1 had 2 primary problems - 1st was that the plasma desktop was very unstable, and I had to go with gnome for a few days until I could connect with the right repositories to get qt and other things to work. The 2nd problem was that the wifi didn't work, because the standard kernel didn't support the latest and greatest network card Dell had installed on the XPS. So, on advice from this list, I downloaded the latest stable kernel from the kernel repository, and then was able to connect to wifi. Since then it has run pretty well. Last month I upgraded to Leap 42.2, and I found it refreshingly stable. Before the upgrade I put a lock on the kernel so it wouldn't change (I upgraded via a zypper dup), and I have been continuing to run with that ever since. I will also note, like John, that I have avoided BTRFS on this installation, and all my other installations, until I have time to study the system out and make sure it runs effectively. I tried to do an install with BTRFS on my first 42.1 install on my desktop, and the install failed, but I didn't take time to troubleshoot it as I was very busy then with other things. It took some work to get things going well on my XPS (mostly with help from this list), but it was worth the effort. George -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/20/2017 06:52 AM, Carl Hartung wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:53:51 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

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As Anton likes to say - context is everything. For my purposes & context (desktop business environment, 8-5 office work), 13.1 and 13.2 are both very good. Leap42x is not yet ready for that environment.

I concur, Per, but of course 13.2 is EOL.

Not really a problem when so many of my heavily used apps and kernel come from other repositories.

In any case, I've concluded that it will be smarter / better this time for me to ride out the rest of 2017 on my current (IMHO) 'production' grade, highly tailored 13.2 installation.

Is anyone else thinking along these lines?

Yes. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org