From: Bernd Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:20:56 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [SLE] Remote desktop?!?

On Monday 17 October 2005 18:55, James Knott wrote:

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Bernd wrote:

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I have two machines that I use the most; one has SuSE 9.3, the other has WinXP. These 2 machines are located in different areas of the house.

I am thinking of adding SuSE to the Win XP machine as a dual boot, but I want to be able to use it as if I were on the other machine. Can I use a remote desktop, or a remote login on the linux SuSE side of the dual boot? How? How much of SuSE do I need to install if I will be using the other machine through it?

I have a wireless NIC on both machines, each pointed to my router for internet access. Maybe this is a question for another thread, but... can I route the dual boot through the SuSE machine to the internet? How?

If I understand you correctly, you want to run Linux & XP at the same time, on the same computer? If so, you'd need a something like VMware.

No.

Run linux (from the machine that will have dual boot or both OS's installed) and access the SuSE machine as if I were on it (i.e. see my desktop, access files, run applications, etc.).

From the client machine (that is, the dual-boot), do `ssh -X user@server`

("user", of course, you should replace with your username. "server" you should replace with the IP address of the machine to which you're connecting.) You'll have a command line for the other machine in front of you. Then, just type the name of a program that you want to load (ie, `konquerer` or `firefox` or `yast2` or...) It'll appear in front of you, in a normal X-style window, nice as can be. The program will actually be running on the other "server" machine, but the display will be tunnelled via the SSH connection to the client. (that's what the -X in the ssh command line does.) This is, of course, the geek solution to remote execution of programs (It's a Linux list, you gotta expect that...). There are no menu bars that you can pop up to launch programs (except the local one on the "client"), no desktop (except the local one on the "client"), and so on. But it does give you the ability to run a program remotely with the display local. As for full-featured solutions: if you want to see the whole desktop on the "server", you're going to be looking for VNC, I think. And I'm not sure about setting that up on SuSE, beyond knowing that it's supposed to be easy. But X-tunnelling is good for you! - Ian

You can use rdesktop, which uses the RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol) to get your entire desktop in a window. It will even show your background image. It works well over a LAN, over the iInternet might require some visual adjustments to increase performance. rdesktop comes with SuSE and is probably already in your menu.

Or you can use x11vnc in place of the RDesktop - RDesktop is nice to use, but I found it to be a pain to get it to connect to screen :0... connecting to a new session (:1, :2 etc.) was easy.. connecting to the existing session was more trouble than it was worth considering how easy it was to do it with x11vnc. I wrote up a very brief HowTo (assumes you know your way around Linux and ssh) on my blog at http://blog.digitaldragon.ca - in the Linux meanderings section (more notes for myself than anything else). I am planning on expanding that to something a little easier to follow, and including a section on connecting to/from Linux to/from Windows using the ssh tunnelling route. C.

By the way why we are into the remote desktop thingy, has anybody heard about a printing solution like simplify printing for Linux? I would really love a linux client for simplify printing but I know that might be a bit tricky. Regards Per Qvindesland Per Qvindesland wrote:

Hello Bernd,

I have not read all the threads on this one but if you do a search in Yast for freenx then you have a really work able solution for home usage, it's the free version of the NX server, just download the clients from www.nomachine.com/download

Regards Per Qvindesland

Bernd wrote:

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I have two machines that I use the most; one has SuSE 9.3, the other has WinXP. These 2 machines are located in different areas of the house.

I am thinking of adding SuSE to the Win XP machine as a dual boot, but I want to be able to use it as if I were on the other machine. Can I use a remote desktop, or a remote login on the linux SuSE side of the dual boot? How? How much of SuSE do I need to install if I will be using the other machine through it?

I have a wireless NIC on both machines, each pointed to my router for internet access. Maybe this is a question for another thread, but... can I route the dual boot through the SuSE machine to the internet? How?

Bernd

Easy have a look at www.tricerat.com It simplifies and speeds up the printing for users coming into a ts server, very nice piece of app but sadly it is for windoze usage only as of yet, but I am wondering in someone has found the same solution for a Linux server with both Linux and Windoze clients. Regards Per Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 10:37, Per Qvindesland wrote:

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By the way why we are into the remote desktop thingy, has anybody heard about a printing solution like simplify printing for Linux? I would really love a linux client for simplify printing but I know that might be a bit tricky.

How do you mean 'simplify'? And how is this related to remote desktops?

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Regards Per Qvindesland

Per Qvindesland wrote:

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Hello Bernd,

I have not read all the threads on this one but if you do a search in Yast for freenx then you have a really work able solution for home usage, it's the free version of the NX server, just download the clients from www.nomachine.com/download

Regards Per Qvindesland

Bernd wrote:

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I have two machines that I use the most; one has SuSE 9.3, the other has WinXP. These 2 machines are located in different areas of the house.

I am thinking of adding SuSE to the Win XP machine as a dual boot, but I want to be able to use it as if I were on the other machine. Can I use a remote desktop, or a remote login on the linux SuSE side of the dual boot? How? How much of SuSE do I need to install if I will be using the other machine through it?

I have a wireless NIC on both machines, each pointed to my router for internet access. Maybe this is a question for another thread, but... can I route the dual boot through the SuSE machine to the internet? How?

Bernd

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Only the clients is running Linux but that are using rdesktop to connect to the rdp server, Look not to worrie I will figure this one out my self. Regards Per Qvindesland Ken Schneider wrote:

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 13:47 +0200, Per Qvindesland wrote:

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Easy have a look at www.tricerat.com It simplifies and speeds up the printing for users coming into a ts server, very nice piece of app but sadly it is for windoze usage only as of yet, but I am wondering in someone has found the same solution for a Linux server with both Linux and Windoze clients.

Regards Per

Please STOP top posting and trim your replies to the pertinent info your reply refers to.

Simplify Printing refers to a terminal server printer setup. Are you running your linux box as a terminal server?

You do know that you have your complete (remote) Linux Desktop in a XP windows? And that you can have your complete remote XP Desktop in a Linux Windows?

Isn't this more like what you want than Dual Boot, or running both environments simultaneously on one machine?

Jerry, Could you expand on this please??? When I'm sitting in front of my XP machine, I would most definitely like to use my SuSE desktop, as if I were on it. Is this what your saying is possible? And this is possible in reverse (from SuSE to XP)? Bernd

--- Jerry Westrick wrote:

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Could you expand on this please???

When I'm sitting in front of my XP machine, I would most definitely like to use my SuSE desktop, as if I were on it. Is this what your saying is possible?

And this is possible in reverse (from SuSE to XP)?

Bernd

Yeap, I tought you might not have know about it...

Okay, there are several ways of doing this, which one you use depends on several things:

On the XP machine, you are going to need a VNC client. There are many, but I suggest you get the Free version from http://www.realvnc.com .

When you install it on the Windows machine select Install as server, and give it a password.

On the linux enter "vncviewer <ip of xp machine>:0" in a commandline enter the password of the VNC server installation, and Voila! you got the XP desktop on your linux machine....

[snip (the Windows to Linux remote connection)] Actually there is a much simplier solution (at least in 9.3 and 10) to connect to your Windows XP Pro desktop from SuSE: - Enable the remote connection in Windows XP (Control Panel -> System -> Remote -> Remote Desktop -> Allow users to connect remotely to this computer) - Use krdc in SuSE(System -> Remote Connection -> krdc) to connect to your Window XP desktop Hope it helps, Dmitry

I'm sure you'll be back for more....

Till then, Happy Remoting....

Jerry

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On Tuesday 18 October 2005 08:09, Jerry Westrick wrote:

On the linux enter "vncviewer <ip of xp machine>:0" in a commandline enter the password of the VNC server installation, and Voila! you got the XP desktop on your linux machine....

The other way around has much more options as linux is a multiuser system. But try the following on your linux machine: start->Control Panel->Internet & Networking->Desktop Sharing->Access There you: Click "Allow uninvited connections", Unclick "Confirm uninvited...", Click "Allow univited connections to controll the desktop" enter a password and Click "Apply"

Then on XP do Start->Programs->Real Vnc->VncViewer->Run VncViewer enter <Linux IP>:0 type password and Viola! you got the linux desktop in a window....

I'm sure you'll be back for more....

Till then, Happy Remoting....

Jerry

Jerry, I'm coming to you via vncviewer on my XP machine through my suse machine. Pretty cool!!! A bit slow, but... very nice! 2 Questions: -about desktop sharing in Yast - Invitations are timed - how can I allow untimed invitations? -when connecting to SuSE from XP, the invitation has to be accepted on the SuSE machine or it will not go through, even though the settings in vnc viewer do not require it. Is it because the user is logged on? How can I change that requirement? Bernd

On Thursday 20 October 2005 06:35, Jerry Westrick wrote:

On Thursday 20 October 2005 16:26, Bernd wrote:

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The other way around has much more options as linux is a multiuser system. But try the following on your linux machine: start->Control Panel->Internet & Networking->Desktop Sharing->Access There you: Click "Allow uninvited connections", Unclick "Confirm uninvited...", Click "Allow univited connections to controll the desktop" enter a password and Click "Apply"

Jerry

I'm coming to you via vncviewer on my XP machine through my suse machine. Pretty cool!!! A bit slow, but... very nice!

2 Questions:

-about desktop sharing in Yast - Invitations are timed - how can I allow untimed invitations?

-when connecting to SuSE from XP, the invitation has to be accepted on the SuSE machine or it will not go through, even though the settings in vnc viewer do not require it. Is it because the user is logged on? How can I change that requirement?

Bernd

Okay, Bernd...

On the linux you need to go here: start ->Control Panel ->Internet & Networking ->Desktop Sharing ->Access

There you: Click "Allow uninvited connections",

Unclick "Confirm uninvited...", =================== Click "Allow univited connections to controll the desktop"

enter a password and Click "Apply"

Jerry

I see the error of my ways... I missed your instructions on unchecking "confirm uninvited". I also had created an invitation that was timed. Once I unchecked the box and deleted the open invitation I created, all worked well. Thanks!!! Bernd

On Thursday 20 October 2005 07:52, Jerry Westrick wrote:

On Thursday 20 October 2005 16:49, Bernd wrote:

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Once I unchecked the box and deleted the open invitation I created, all worked well.

Thanks!!!

Bernd

Once you are confortable with this we can start talking about other options, like:

Linux Vnc Server Simultaneous Connections to Multiple (User) Desktops on your linux.

XWindows Vnc Allowing Connection to Linux even before you are are logged in.

Remote Access from Internet Accessing your Xp/Linux from internet and doing it Securely!

Remote Support Allowing Friends/Family to send you thier desktop across internet so you can have the priviledge of helping them!

Etc....

Jerry Glitch, or oops!

I was able to connect to SuSE machine from XP, but now I get "No password configured for VNC Auth". The password is configured on SuSE and on both XP machines. What am I missing? Bernd

On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:32, Jerry Westrick wrote:

On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:23, Bernd wrote:

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Glitch, or oops!

I was able to connect to SuSE machine from XP, but now I get "No password configured for VNC Auth".

The password is configured on SuSE and on both XP machines. What am I missing?

Bernd

try this again...

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On the linux you need to go here: start    ->Control Panel         ->Internet & Networking             ->Desktop Sharing                 ->Access

There you: Click "Allow uninvited connections",

Unclick "Confirm uninvited...", =================== Click "Allow univited connections to controll the desktop"

enter a password and Click "Apply"

Jerry Been there, done that...

Are there specific password files that I need to tweak? I did add the vnc module to XF86Config as suggested in readme file. Anything else? Ahah! Found it! That was my problem. I just tried to complicate something really simple. DO NOT add the vnc module into the XF86Config file!!! All is well! Tested, rebooted all machines, and tested again from all. What's next? XWindows VNC and secure remote access via internet are the 2 that strike me as most needful to start with. Bernd

On 10/20/05, Jerry Westrick wrote:

Oh well, I'll let you get past this before we discuss how to modify your internet router to allows ssh in to your linux box (and thereby allowing you to securely access both your Linux and your XP boxes from the internet!)

Jerry

Jerry, that was great :) Would you consider to put it in susewiki.org? Cheers -- -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

On Thursday 20 October 2005 14:46, Jerry Westrick wrote:

On Friday 21 October 2005 00:07, Sunny wrote:

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Jerry, that was great :)

Would you consider to put it in susewiki.org?

Cheers

-- -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

I looked at it, and it looks like a couple of hours work... Then again, I've explained all this so many times, that I'm sure it would be worth my effort!

Let's see if it helps Bernd first, then I'll give it a try this weekend.

Jerry P.S. Bernd, you are now my guinea-pig!

I feel like I'm in school again!!! Thanks Jerry. Let me digest this and report back. Bernd

On Tuesday 18 October 2005 11:09 am, Sunny wrote:

Looking to SuSE desktop from XP:

Enable the Desktop Sharing in KDE Control Center/Internet&Network. Then use tightvnc client for XP to connect to it.

XP on SuSE - if this is a Pro version, you can enable remote help, or whatever it is called, and then use krdc from your SuSE box. If this does not work, start tightvnc server on the XP machine, and use some vnc client from the SuSE box to connect.

Note, that the vnc solution is not secure, and while it is for home use, it's OK. But if you want to use it over a public network, better approach will be to tunnel the connection over an ssh.

Cheers Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Don't forget that the dosutils directory on most SUSE install CDs/DVDs contain many useful Windows programs such as putty.exe and tightvnc.exe (v1.2.9) among others. Stan

On 10/20/05, Maccy wrote:

Hi

Can anyone confirm the filesize of the 9.3 professional DVD please.

My double layer DVD counts for almost 8.5 GB of data (+- 100 MB), source and binaries. \Steve

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:22 am, Maccy wrote:

Can anyone confirm the filesize of the 9.3 professional DVD please.

darius:/ # cd /home/cbf/suse/i386/ darius:/home/cbf/suse/i386 # ls -l total 4 dr-xr-xr-x 7 root root 920 2005-10-19 15:15 10.0/ dr-xr-xr-x 7 root root 664 2002-09-14 08:45 8.1/ dr-xr-xr-x 7 root root 664 2003-03-20 00:47 8.2/ dr-xr-xr-x 8 root root 784 2003-09-25 06:01 9.0/ drwxrwxrwx 7 root root 792 2004-06-01 10:02 9.1/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2004-06-08 15:56 9.1-source/ drwxrwxrwx 7 root root 792 2004-11-01 10:13 9.2/ drwxrwxrwx 7 root root 872 2005-04-27 09:05 9.3/ drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 392 2005-10-21 11:17 SLES9/ drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 144 2003-09-24 15:42 contrib/ drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 256 2005-06-20 12:47 update/ darius:/home/cbf/suse/i386 # du -sk 9.3/ 8344105 9.3/ So just copying the DVD to an install server, it occupies 8,344,105 KiloBytes -- Michael James michael.james@csiro.au System Administrator voice: 02 6246 5040 CSIRO Bioinformatics Facility fax: 02 6246 5166 No matter how much you pay for software, you always get less than you hoped. Unless you pay nothing, then you get more.