Re: [SLE] Microsoft sings a new tune on Linux
I think why linux is growing so slowly in companies are because of the it managers that do not deserve that title.They dont know whats out there. Whats better or how to save money. When the dinosaurs retire things should change, i hope.
I can't agree more. Our company is struggling to adopt Linux as a home for our Notes Domino mail servers as - get this - I was told in a meeting on which OS to use for our mail server that "Linux is too stable for our needs". The fear is that no one will know how to fix it when it eventually does break - say hard disk crash etc. Man this has to be the most incredible statement I have ever heard. My logic that proves this is a crock of bits: - If you have a correct backup solution, then you have no problem - Once you adopt Linux your young tech staff will be rallying to get the skills to support the new technolgy/OS. This is the case with anything else new - the technolust ensures you have two or three guys fighting to support it - espcially as Linux is all the buzz at the moment and its skills are in demand. - How many average IT deparments have AS400's or even more tough HP3000's that have a single guy that knows how to operate it and no one else? Linux is far more friendly and supported than any of these two OS's (of which we use two and they are both excellent) - Surley you can train up some of thos lasy (whoah I am gonna cause myself harm here ;-)) yet superior degreed chaps in the top office that support the AS400 (via highly paid contractors mind you!) to expand their skills to Linux? As long as the old goats that have been running the IT departments since MS-DOS 3.02 are still in charge of tech - we will have to sit quietly through meetings listening to horsebit statements like the one I have noted above. Their fear of Linux breeds their hate of it. For the record - I had to nod yes to this statement and agree. I have no choice, as I was told at the end of the meeting - our organisation does not have a use for Linux in our strategy at the moment. Yeah - we only have use for the massive licencing fees we are facing and maoning about right now. Micro$oft has one good thing going for it - it suits the preplanned, back scratching, buddy buddy support of upper management. Linux is fresh, cheap, agressive, progressive and MAY REQUIRES NEW GUYS WITH NEW SKILLS to support it (well OK in some cases) and THAT does not suit the 10 year plans these guys made 5 years ago. Also they fear losing control and looking silly when the Linux support guys correct them in meetings. As I say - "Ahhh, just duck it!"
On Wednesday 11 August 2004 14:43, jonathan_hughes@goodyear.co.za wrote:
- How many average IT deparments have AS400's or even more tough HP3000's that have a single guy that knows how to operate it and no one else? Linux is far more friendly
There I have to disagree. OS/400 is one of the best operating systems ever written, I don't see anything else coming even close to it in terms of logic and power of the command interface. Its only drawbacks are the text only interface (powerful but unsexy) and IBM's incredible lack of marketing skills Never seen HP-UX first hand so I can't comment on that, but I have heard some pretty horrible stories from friends who've worked with it
On Wednesday 11 August 2004 14:31, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 11 August 2004 14:43, jonathan_hughes@goodyear.co.za wrote:
- How many average IT deparments have AS400's or even more tough HP3000's that have a single guy that knows how to operate it and no one else? Linux is far more friendly
There I have to disagree. OS/400 is one of the best operating systems ever written, I don't see anything else coming even close to it in terms of logic and power of the command interface. Its only drawbacks are the text only interface (powerful but unsexy) and IBM's incredible lack of marketing skills
Never seen HP-UX first hand so I can't comment on that, but I have heard some pretty horrible stories from friends who've worked with it
I accidentally bought a second-hand machine with HP-UX on it - it's perfectly good and nice, but just frustrates you if you're used to Linux or Sun or BSD by doing everything just differently enough to wind you up ... and online resources are somewhat scant by comparison, too. -- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB Tel: +44 161 834 7961 Fax: +44 161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk
On Wednesday August 11 2004 8:43 am, jonathan_hughes@goodyear.co.za wrote:
I think why linux is growing so slowly in companies are because of the it managers that do not deserve that title.They dont know whats out there. Whats better or how to save money. When the dinosaurs retire things should change, i hope.
I can't agree more. Our company is struggling to adopt Linux as a home for our Notes Domino mail servers as - get this - I was told in a meeting on which OS to use for our mail server that "Linux is too stable for our needs". The fear is that no one will know how to fix it when it eventually does break - say hard disk crash etc. Man this has to be the most incredible statement I have ever heard.
Whoever in management said that, I'd document it and send it ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP of the corp. ladder, with a preferace as to why the Co. looses money and efficency. Ignorant fools like that DON'T belong in management. Yeah, by now ya'll know I'm not fond of "suits" who can't get in the trenches and do the work themselves, which describes MOST in management in the US. [snip]
For the record - I had to nod yes to this statement and agree. I have no choice, as I was told at the end of the meeting - our organisation does not have a use for Linux in our strategy at the moment. Yeah - we only have use for the massive licencing fees we are facing and maoning about right now.
The same hairballs in management who will continue to pay those fees to M$ will also send American jobs to China and it's slave labor. Oh boy - my blood pressure is going up again. :)
Micro$oft has one good thing going for it - it suits the preplanned, back scratching, buddy buddy support of upper management. Linux is fresh, cheap, agressive, progressive and MAY REQUIRES NEW GUYS WITH NEW SKILLS to support it (well OK in some cases) and THAT does not suit the 10 year plans these guys made 5 years ago. Also they fear losing control and looking silly when the Linux support guys correct them in meetings.
Oh yeah they do!
As I say - "Ahhh, just duck it!"
Can't, as much as I'd like to. :) Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
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