REPLY TO *ALL*!!!

REPLY TO ALL!!!

David Krider

11 Apr 2003 11 Apr '03

13:19

I've only been subscribed to this list for a couple days, and already I notice a pretty serious problem. For those that aren't noticing, this list, unlike all the other SANE lists out there, doesn't use the list address when you reply. The best you can get is to CC the list on a reply-to-all. I personally find this list's behavior annoying. I'M SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST! Why should list traffic bypass my procmail filtering and come to my Inbox because the list has a reply to sender "feature?" This is lame. Is there any chance to change it? Regards, dk

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Andre Truter

11 Apr 11 Apr

13:29

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On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 15:19, David Krider wrote:

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I've only been subscribed to this list for a couple days, and already I notice a pretty serious problem. For those that aren't noticing, this list, unlike all the other SANE lists out there, doesn't use the list address when you reply. The best you can get is to CC the list on a reply-to-all. I personally find this list's behavior annoying. I'M SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST! Why should list traffic bypass my procmail filtering and come to my Inbox because the list has a reply to sender "feature?" This is lame. Is there any chance to change it?

Regards,

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Jerry Feldman

13:30

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I've only been subscribed to this list for a couple days, and already I notice a pretty serious problem. For those that aren't noticing, this list, unlike all the other SANE lists out there, doesn't use the list address when you reply. The best you can get is to CC the list on a reply-to-all. I personally find this list's behavior annoying. I'M SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST! Why should list traffic bypass my procmail filtering and come to my Inbox because the list has a reply to sender "feature?" This is lame. Is there any chance to change it? I beg to differ with you. I have been running listservs for over 10 years. Most of the listservs with experienced people have the list set up like SuSE, where the From: address is the address of the person who is posting to the list. This way when you respond, you repond directly to that person, not back to the list. If you want to respond back to the

On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:19:07 -0500 David Krider wrote: list, you can edit the to: address. Over the past 10 years we have debated that issue to death on some of the other listservs I run. (I do not run the SuSE list). I think the people who run this list do an excellent job and have the setting set correctly (and sanely). -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

David Krider

13:47

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Jerry Feldman wrote:

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This way when you respond, you repond directly to that person, not back to the list. If you want to respond back to the list, you can edit the to: address.

Some people have been responding to my posts and not at copying the lists. What's the point of not sharing that wisdom with the rest of the list?

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Over the past 10 years we have debated that issue to death on some of the other listservs I run. (I do not run the SuSE list). I think the people who run this list do an excellent job and have the setting set correctly (and sanely).

I didn't mean to start a flamewar about it. I just -- for the reason given above -- don't understand the rationale. Furthermore, maybe there are others like me who didn't even realize I wasn't getting (my) expected behavior until I had already sent a few posts. dk

John Pettigrew

13:57

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In a previous message, David Krider wrote:

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I didn't mean to start a flamewar about it. I just -- for the reason given above -- don't understand the rationale. Furthermore, maybe there are others like me who didn't even realize I wasn't getting (my) expected behavior until I had already sent a few posts.

The thing is, if you set ReplyTo to the list address, there is no easy way to reply to the sender only. This causes personal replies to end up on the list, which is much worse than having occasional posts intended for the group only going to the original sender. If this mistake is made, you only need to resend the message, whereas it is impossible to recall a group post once it's gone out. Most half-decent email software lets you create groups to which you filter mailing list traffic, and then lets you set a group-specific Reply address. This way, you have transparent and easy access. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards

Bruce Marshall

13:58

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On Friday 11 April 2003 9:47 am, David Krider wrote:

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Jerry Feldman wrote:

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This way when you respond, you repond directly to that person, not back to the list. If you want to respond back to the list, you can edit the to: address.

Some people have been responding to my posts and not at copying the lists. What's the point of not sharing that wisdom with the rest of the list?

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Over the past 10 years we have debated that issue to death on some of the other listservs I run. (I do not run the SuSE list). I think the people who run this list do an excellent job and have the setting set correctly (and sanely).

I didn't mean to start a flamewar about it. I just -- for the reason given above -- don't understand the rationale. Furthermore, maybe there are others like me who didn't even realize I wasn't getting (my) expected behavior until I had already sent a few posts.

dk

I don't either but it gets argued to death. Just drop it and add a rule to your procmailrc. It works. And I think you'll find that many people copy the list as well as sending a response directly to the original poster. :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi "Reply-To: SLE " -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 04/11/03 09:56 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"

David Krider

14:33

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Bruce Marshall wrote:

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I don't either but it gets argued to death. Just drop it and add a rule to your procmailrc. It works.

And I think you'll find that many people copy the list as well as sending a response directly to the original poster.

:0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi "Reply-To: SLE "

Hoohah! You're kung fu is strong! I didn't know how to go about this. (Note that this is a perfect response to be sent to the list so that others can see it. And perhaps others will find it in the archives when they google for how to change reply-to address headers.) Thanks very much! dk

Bruce Marshall

14:42

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On Friday 11 April 2003 10:33 am, David Krider wrote:

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Hoohah! You're kung fu is strong! I didn't know how to go about this.

(Note that this is a perfect response to be sent to the list so that others can see it. And perhaps others will find it in the archives when they google for how to change reply-to address headers.)

Thanks very much! dk

Not sure but I think we can thank Ben R. for this... who gave it to me when I had the same complaints/misgivings/irritations/bleeaaahhhhh.... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 04/11/03 10:41 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "It's always darkest before the dawn. So if you're going to steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it."

Jerry Feldman

14:00

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Some people have been responding to my posts and not at copying the lists. What's the point of not sharing that wisdom with the rest of the list? I agree mostly. In some cases, a response should go to the list and in some cases it should be private. I generally always respond directly to

On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:47:53 -0500 David Krider wrote: the list in this case. But, one of the reasons for the setting is to keep unnecessary chatter off a busy list. Years ago, when we moved the Boston Internet SIG list from the former group director's home site to the Boston Computer Society, we set the list up to reply to the list. It had initially been set up at MIT to reply to sender. That started a big flame war, but at that time, the majority of people wanted the setting to the list. However, other lists we run, the majority of people want it to reply to sender. All depends on the nature of the list.

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I didn't mean to start a flamewar about it. I think that you are simply opening up a discussion that should be reviewed periodically or at least explained. I hope that the tone of my email was not taken as a flame, as the flame was not intentional.

-- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

O'Smith

14:10

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On Friday 11 April 2003 09:47 am, David Krider wrote:

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Jerry Feldman wrote:

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This way when you respond, you repond directly to that person, not back to the list. If you want to respond back to the list, you can edit the to: address.

Some people have been responding to my posts and not at copying the lists. What's the point of not sharing that wisdom with the rest of the list?

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Over the past 10 years we have debated that issue to death on some of the other listservs I run. (I do not run the SuSE list). I think the people who run this list do an excellent job and have the setting set correctly (and sanely).

I didn't mean to start a flamewar about it. I just -- for the reason given above -- don't understand the rationale. Furthermore, maybe there are others like me who didn't even realize I wasn't getting (my) expected behavior until I had already sent a few posts.

dk ======================

David, Did you consider maybe some of the replies were meant to come to you rather than the entire list. I think I might have responded to one of your mails directly rather than the list, simply because that was the way I wanted it. It's very easy to respond to the list from any mail via KMail though. It was a bit confusing at first the way this list was setup for me, but I better understand the reasoning now. Simply right clicking on the list address in the mail will get you a menu to reply to the list in that mail or pressing "L" will reply or I believe you can set a particular folder's options to address the list only. I guess it just comes in learning how the kmail programs works, but then, that's why we are all here, to learn from each other. :o) Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.9.1i --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...

Fergus Wilde

14:20

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On Friday 11 April 2003 14:19, David Krider wrote:

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I've only been subscribed to this list for a couple days, and already I notice a pretty serious problem. For those that aren't noticing, this list, unlike all the other SANE lists out there, doesn't use the list address when you reply. The best you can get is to CC the list on a reply-to-all. I personally find this list's behavior annoying. I'M SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST! Why should list traffic bypass my procmail filtering and come to my Inbox because the list has a reply to sender "feature?" This is lame. Is there any chance to change it?

Regards, dk

Please check the archives, this has been done to death. Personally I'd appreciate subject lines not in all caps, as well. Best Fergus -- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB Tel: +44 161 834 7961 Fax: +44 161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk

David Krider

16:05

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Fergus Wilde wrote:

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Personally I'd appreciate subject lines not in all caps, as well.

Just remember your countrymen's famous song... You can't always get What you want But if you try sometimes You might just find You get what you need ;-) dk

Marcel Broekman

14:21

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On Friday 11 April 2003 15:19, David Krider wrote:

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I've only been subscribed to this list for a couple days, and already I notice a pretty serious problem. For those that aren't noticing, this list, unlike all the other SANE lists out there, doesn't use the list address when you reply. The best you can get is to CC the list on a reply-to-all. I personally find this list's behavior annoying. I'M SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST! Why should list traffic bypass my procmail filtering and come to my Inbox because the list has a reply to sender "feature?" This is lame. Is there any chance to change it?

Regards, dk

hi David, see the Unofficial SuSE FAQ: http://susefaq.sourceforge.net/maillist.html#AEN445 and http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html cheers, Marcel

fsanta

15:48

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On Friday 11 April 2003 15:19, David Krider wrote:

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I've only been subscribed to this list for a couple days, and already I notice a pretty serious problem. For those that aren't noticing, this list, unlike all the other SANE lists out there, doesn't use the list address when you reply. The best you can get is to CC the list on a reply-to-all. I personally find this list's behavior annoying. I'M SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST! Why should list traffic bypass my procmail filtering and come to my Inbox because the list has a reply to sender "feature?" This is lame. Is there any chance to change it?

Regards, dk

You've got no chance mate. It comes up once every six months, it says here. They won't budge and it's not a serious problem. So there. Oh, and don't shout.

Christopher Mahmood

19:23

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And away we go! There's a comment about this in the welcome message that you were politely asked to read when you subscribed pointing you to the faq. I'm sure you have a good excuse for not doing that. -- -ckm

Kelly L. Fulks

23:31

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On Friday 11 April 2003 08:19, David Krider wrote:

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I've only been subscribed to this list for a couple days, and already I notice a pretty serious problem. For those that aren't noticing, this list, unlike all the other SANE lists out there, doesn't use the list address when you reply. The best you can get is to CC the list on a reply-to-all. I personally find this list's behavior annoying. I'M SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST! Why should list traffic bypass my procmail filtering and come to my Inbox because the list has a reply to sender "feature?" This is lame. Is there any chance to change it?

Regards, dk

Change your procmail filter a little. Filter on the X-Mailinglist: header instead of the reply-to header. Also, you can have procmail add the reply-to header as I understand it. I don't use procmail and KMail has a reply to list option that I use. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account

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