On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:22:37 -0500, Rajko wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:12:52 +0200 cagsm
wrote: Maybe some others think of this situation expressed here, as worthy to be tackled and maybe opensuse could also come up with a concept of patch integration into release media and doing updated enhanced revisions of major releases as well.
At least one of "others" thinks that is correct way, instead of pointing everyone to susestudio.com and clogging their Build Service with numerous identical requests.
The current situation is that distro will fix bugs though update channel, but basic media stay in a original (bad) shape and drive people that can't update (lack of knowledge, lack of time) to other options.
There are other use cases, like when user decide to use DVD for installation due to slow Internet connection at home, there will be a lot of updates once system is installed which will slow down normal use of Internet.
Giving new released version after some time, or some number of fixed bugs, or some number of megabytes of fixes, will for sure help a lot.
Nobody seems to be volunteering to even look at taking this on. I'm just hearing "it'd be nice if there were more frequent releases" with what appears to be little to no thought as to what the resource requirements are for actually doing that. Either resources need to be added to do additional testing (ie, more volunteers), or something loses resources to take on the additional testing. Or I suppose quality goes down, but I don't think anyone here wants that to happen. We already have trouble in some quarters with getting sufficient testing to get certain types of bugs resolved - now you want to reduce the release cycle, which in turn increases the testing and release management requirements? Releasing "interim releases" isn't a trivial thing. It's not just a matter of slapping the latest updates onto the DVD ISO and making it available for anyone to download. An intermediate release would probably need as much testing as a regular release, or people would download an ISO that was potentially non- functional. That would turn people away just as media in "original (bad) shape". Maybe instead of focusing on more rapid release cycles, we should work on making sure the actual releases aren't in "bad shape" (not my experience, but certainly not everyone has a perfect experience). Reducing the amount of testing in order to get more rapid releases isn't - IMHO - the way to improve quality. Getting people involved in testing the betas and release candidates is. Otherwise all you do is increase the frequency and number of complaints that the releases are of "poor quality" and "don't work on my funky hardware" because your releases are less well-tested. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org