Not everybody is bitten by the via bugs. It's a serious problem and has not been solved yet. A machine at school would not boot with the 2.2.18 update from suse a few weeks ago and the problem was with the optimizations used with the VIA chipset. It is being discussed in the linux-kernel mailing list also. My mentioning it was to make a point that linux will not run out of the box for everybody, that in some cases it'll plainly bomb. People here are complaining that their upgrades didn't work and blamed suse about it. This forum is for us users to help each other, all this argument is moving slowly in figuring out what happened to these guys. The sooner they start describing their problems in detail the quicker we'll solve it. -- Rafael