On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Herbert Graeber
No. if ypu want stability, then a beta version isn't acceptable. And delaying the release isn't acceptable, too. I this would be once, we would start deleaying every release because of something.
That's thrown up a lot, but KDE is a huge part of the distro. It's not like it's something like Firefox.
May be my shoose of the word "rant" wasn' proper (I am not a native english speaker). But waht I observe is that many people here say just bad things about KDE4, which are partly wrong and have no real alternatve. The only possible one is to have the choice to use KDE3 with openSUSE 11.1 and that's possible. Where is the problem. I cannot see it.
Because KDE4 is just plain lacking for so many of us. We have repeatedly tried to make use of it and it just doesn't deliver. Like I said, it's slower, glitzy, missing expected options and configurations, etc. It WILL get better. But it will take time. But for many, the KDE4.04 released with 11.0 was not usable. Yes, it got better after adding the updates for 4.1.x, but a lot of people did not know that was possible, so they were stuck with it as it was released.
May be I find this type of poll silly? I nearly never take part in them, because the possible answers are too focused already.
Yes, but it's something. The devs said that 40% of opensuse users were using KDE4, but it was actually 40% of the KDE users, so KDE3 Still had a majority over KDE4.
That's not what the SUSE KDE team has done here. Most of the backports are prue functionality for people like you. Don't let blind you by the bling. BTW: A little bit bling is neccessary, especially to win new users.
That may be, but when you have to jump through hoops to turn it off, it's a pain. That's why I asked for the return of KPersonalizer at first load. But it hasn't been ported yet......
Not fro me, The state some weeks ago wansnt that well. Be the current KDE4.3.1 from the BuildService is OK. I only wished NVIDIA would make better drivers, or even better support open source, lika ATI and VIA are doing now.
Again, the nVidia and ATI drivers work just fine with KDE3. So, again, it's still a matter of compelling reasons to switch. I'm using the nVidia driver on my 6200 and it's just fine. If I'm going to have issues with KDE4, then I just don't see a reason to run KDE4.
That's a valid choice. If you find what you need elsewhere do it. Open source is of choice.
Correct. But removing choice is the problem. A lot of KDE4 people think that KDE4 is the greatest and KDE3 should be dropped. But, especially from usability standpoints for disabled, KDE4 is not prime time ready for too many. That's why I don't agree with having KDE3 in the "others" catagory. However, the community will have KDE3 livecds hopefully just like we had the 11.0 ones that Carlos made.
No, you are not wasting your time. Please continue to tell what you think, you need. But I would like I could see less destructive comments here. KDE4 is NOT so bad. For me it on par with KDE3 in some parts worse in some better. And Im sure it will become better in future.
For you. Not for me and a small minority of others. Yes, some aren't very tactful, but it's an issue.
BTW: I think most things disscussed her should be discussed in KDE mailing lists, because only a small fraction of KDE developers can be reached here.
Again, I am on about 5 lists. I just don't have time to be on any more right now. However, if you want to forward what I have said, please do. I have seen responses from the devs here and on Factory as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org