On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:38:34PM -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
Ruben Safir wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 03:38:34AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
What I told you to do was «issue "init 5", or "systemctl start graphical.target"». I never told you to use startx, because it is quite problematic, as you are finding out.
It is problematic because it is BROKEN. Putting it in init 5 is EXACTLY what I ***don't*** want to do.
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Carlos is right... As root (usually), ** if you have your system defaulting to "init 3" (tty console with 1-6 being vt's), then after the system is up and running -- if you want your system to start it's "graphical state", you tell it to go to "state 5" -- which is the X11 state.
No, Carlos is wrong is so far as that is NOT what I want to do. I do NOT want to use xdm et al. X is a program I want to run from my terminal manually at run level 3. There is no rule and there is NO REASON to have to restart an initialize an entire run level and relogin just to start the graphic displa manager. It is irrational to think otherwise. I don't want my system at run level 5. I don't want to log in to XDM and I don't want the overhead.
That will move it from the default "state 3" that you seem to be saying you want to boot up in, by default (it is also my system's default state, as I use my linux system as a server not a display server).
Typing in 'init 5' under sysVinit and, I'm told, under systemd, should temporarily "move the system into the GUI (with X).
No, that is another run level. It is reinitializing the entire system.
In a tty window (like xterm), if you type "init 3" -- the system should end your X-session (abruptly! -- so everything better be saved!) and put you back at full-screen terminal window (aka vt0).
It doesn't. It just does not understand init 3 at all and it hangs. ..although I think sometimes it kicks back out to run level 5. there are so many problems I forget which ones are which already.
Using 'init 5' at run-time guarantees that all of the "X" support processes (right now, on my system, that is *only* "xdm"), but it could also start "xfs" (the font server) if it was only used for local font serving.
Hope that helps a bit...
xinit will kick off xfs, or at least i never had a problem with fonts until now under init 5 and systemd where it is totally screwed up now. Or maybe that is the removal of KDE that caused all the fonts in X to get screwed up....not that it matters at this point. This whole path of a desktop environment and systemd in init 5 isn't worth the problem it has caused and I want to throw it all out by coming up in run level 3 and starting x manually with xinit. I used to have 6 kids in the house and EACH KID used to have their own X11 display running simutansously on F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 and F12 One kid would use the system, and lock their screen and walk away in the middle of work and then another might come over, flip screen and unlock their display, without needing to log off. and that was on a 586 arch on running opensuse 8. This thing is completely broken now. X11 is designed to function for multiple users just like this. Ruben
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