* Alexandr Malusek (Alexandr.Malusek@imv.liu.se) [021120 14:34]: ->> 2. There's the LSB which should sort that out. -> ->I don't think LSB says anything about "high level" administration ->tools which work the same way on SuSE, RedHat, ... but I may be wrong. ->Perhaps these tools already exist. -> ->Anyway, I'm not going to defend their reasons. I just want to know ->what the current situation with Linux support is so that I can apply ->some pressure on them. A. The LSB doesn't have much to do with sys admin style or the tools that are used. Linux supports 90%+ of the standard Unix tools such as grep, awk, sed..etc...etc. So if one knows how to admin a Unix box then Linux is trivial to admin. I have 55 SuSE 8.1 boxes on desktops in my dept that are my responsiblity along with 4 large Solaris clusters. I don't have issues that I can't handle with either. If your talking about GUI tools that are frontends to what can be done via commandline then..yes...there are differences but GUI tools are point and click..they are easy to figure out. I firmly believe that if a system admin can't admin Linux/Unix boxes via commandline then they are not capable of doing the job and shouldn't be in the job. It's just the nature of the beast. As far as support is concerned. All one has to do is buy support from the vendor that sells the hardware/software..such as IBM, SuSE, RH or any of the 100's of companies that have put these programs in place. I also firmly believe that companies should invest in training their employee's to know WTF they are doing instead of counting on litigation to fix their problems. The old mindset of " If something goes wrong who do I sue.." goes out the window with OSS because it's cheaper to hire admins and developers who know WTF their doing and it's a lot more time efficient because problems get fixed quicker. That's the main problem with "paper mcse's"..they know what they were taught in those cert classes and nothing more in most cases. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.