On Sunday, April 27, 2003, at 10:28 PM, Curtis Rey wrote:
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OTOH, the nature of Linux is that there are going to be users who don't want *ANY* handholding - and they are the current core Linux users.
Well, your right. Though many of the gui oriented are coming to Linux/SuSE as is evident by the increase of the nature of the posts that I've seen over the last 3 years. (which also makes one wonder how many ex-windblowers aren't using the list because of the mind set that permeates this group in the belief that , like windows, they're on their own and don't subscribe or think
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, perhaps the shell/console minded are also thrown off - just perhaps. They see the gui, aren't comfortabe with it, and therefore perhaps they presume that they don't have an options. This is the way of windows and I could see some admins that have had to deal with a M$ server install having this experience and thinking "great now what". Just a thought/observation.
At the present track of the gui installer development that SuSE is doing, I will literally be able to throw a set of SuSE discs and a formatted and unused set of hdd's setup in a machine and have my Mother install it. And I think this is the right direction to go for the general public. I strongly agree, however, that the gurus and stanch penguinistas should "always" have a means/method of going the route they now best and are more comfortable with. Losing this would be as silly as not having a gui installer in the first place. I mean do your really need an Xserver to setup most servers on the farm?
Cheers, Curtis.
As a crossover from many various mac OS's with minimal experience in any other operating system before coming to SuSe and this list I'm made a few observations myself: First Suse has an incredible configurable and simple installer. Since coming on this list about 2 yrs ago or so, I have had the pleasure/displeasure of installing many operating systems. As a newbie to linux, suse has the easiest and most relieble installer. (save a few of the red hat preconfigured server packages. i.e., ip cop and clarke connect) It beats windows hands down in speed and hardware detection, and is simple enough for a migrating newbie. Secondly. My observation has been that if you know enough about unix/linux then you should be able to figure out how to turn these things off. I prefer gui's myself. Migrating from a mac, that was all I knew. I, with observations of this list and some direct response, have some of them out. If I don't want something to start, I do a little research and turn it off. Simple enough. I don't have nearly as many options under the mac (especially osx which is incredible) and even if I'm given an options in windows, it does it how ever it wants to anyway so why even bother giving me an option. Thirdly. I've noticed that some of you guys will never be happy. If it came to your door for free, walked up to your computer and jumped right in and loaded it's self. Ran perfectly forever, someone would gripe because it knocked instead of rang the door bell, or left the easy chair reclined when it was done. It does keep life entertaining and usually does pass some informative information. (such as some of the command line hints in this thread) Anyway, just my two cents. Thanks for all the invaluable information. Especially ben, anders, and ckm. Not knocking any of the rest of you, they've just been here longer. thanks again will