Another quesiton for you cups guru's out there. I have had our server here before a crash running 8.0. My reasoning for staying with it was its a working production server so why break it by going with new version at the time. Now due to crash I have added new raid card an bigger hd's. Going with suse 9.0 now. In 8.0 the print services was lpd based. I new how to kill lpd an restart it if I needed to get the printing system going again. With cups I know nuthing. How/ what do you recommend to use for administation. I will have 5 printers attached via ethernet to the network to manage. Thanks for any info. jack malone Network Administrator EAST TEXAS LIGHTHOUSE FOR THE BLIND dba HORIZON INDUSTRIES 903-595-3444 http://www.horizonind.com