On 8/29/2011 5:31 PM, Insomniac wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2011 13:08 Brian K. White wrote:
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Don't install them! You have a choice! Any of the older Firefox's work just
fine, as do any of the SeaMonkey's, Konqueror was a beautiful browser *AND* works better than that abortion we have now called dolphin.
Well, I actually agree with 90% of what you said but in the interest of correctness, I do have to point out that this last is not quite true.
Just as it's not unilaterally easy to "just install kde3" as your example shows, so too it is not unilaterally easy to "just keep using the old version"
I never, nowhere said KDE3 will install easily. I said versions 7.3 and 9.3 were, IMO, the best versions suse put out and that KDE3 worked and worked well in them.
Try to log in to Google+ with the version of firefox embedded into the InstantON mini linux OS on several Viao and other laptops. All you get is a screen that says, literal quote, "Your browser is no longer supported. Google+ no longer supports your browser. Please upgrade your browser." and offers download links for the latest chrome, ie, firefox, & safari.
This is where Konqueror shined. I could have it tell a website that pulled that kind of garbage that I *am* using what is needed. None of these other browser did or do that now, unfortunately. It takes many of us too, to tell those who make such wastes of cyberspace to *stop* being so browser centric. What possible good does it do anyone other than to pad the pockets of somebody who can barely turn on their computer in the first place. It's sad that it's come to this (it's just much, much worse these past 4 or 5 years, than it ever was before then).
Gee how nice. I would love to upgrade the browser but that mini OS is only updatable by Sony and they are NOT. It's made of linux and other gpl stuff like firefox but never the less source is not available. Sure it's GPL violation but that doesn't magically make it possible for all the users to actually do what other users and developers are saying they should "just do". And this old version of firefox? It's only from late 2009, not _nearly_ as old as suse 9.3.
Don't support Sony then. Don't use or buy anything that works in such a way. By buying their garbage, you tell them that it's 'okay' to violate GPL and telling the devs to FOAD and screw what license they want used on their work. Seems pretty simple to me, but I'm sure there's a variable in there somewhere, but I'd find a way to get around it if this is the cost and hit to the free world and FOSS.
Show me the non-Sony Vaio-P or (TZ or TT or X or Z1...) They all have unique features that don't exist together anywhere else. There is no such thing as the perfect device or product so of course I buy that which meets the most of the features I want the most, and sacrifice the less-important. I hardly need that mini-os, it just served as an example. Countless other examples exist and should not require explicit demonstration. The concept is general. I have cicso switches that require old versions of java. Spoofing the java version doesn't make the code in the java apps in the embedded web server magically work. I have ip-kvms that require specifically IE6 and ActiveX. Later versions are not compatible simple as that. The device is no longer made, sold or supported by the original manufacturer and there is no (known) way to update the embedded web server on the device. End of story. Only work around is you can use ies4linux to install ie6 in wine and that amazingly works, but you're still using ie6 and activex. Stuff my own customers need that I wrote, I don't support very old browsers. No browser id shennanigans. The ajax features simply don't exist in ie6 or earlier or equivalently old versions of other browsers. I bet our stuff wouldn't work in that embedded firefox either. All I was saying was that neither "just upgrade" nor "just don't upgrade" are valid things you can say to everyone. Life is just not that nice and simple for our convenience. When someone says something sucks, chances are at least 50/50 that their complaint is valid whether you happen to have the same problem or not. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org