On 07/30/14 02:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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El 2014-07-29 a las 16:57 -0400, Anton Aylward escribió:
On 07/29/2014 03:28 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I beg to differ. When a tool that I used for decades disappears from a distribution, I *am* forced to do something. I don't do that change by free choice, it doesn't come with any advantage for me.
There are many tools that have disapeared.
for instance, uw-imap, a very simple to setup imap and pop3 server, has disapeared as well, probably because its developper died. Such is life... software comes and goes.
Yes, I know. If there would be another light-weight POP3 server replacement; I wouldn't actually engage in this discussion. In fact, for me it's irrelevant, I can and do compile/install/manage such software myself. I try to explain to Anton that the approach of "I don't need it, so it's not relevant if it's available for openSUSE, and - by implication - you don't need it either" is not a proper one. I don't seem to succeed with that explanation, though. :-(
I suggest you (Joachim) search for this post - I had forgotten this, but it was me who raised the question of qpopper disapeareance:
Oh; I know that qpopper is gone. That's not an open question for me.
So forget it, qpopper is not comming back to openSUSE. If you want it, you have to build it yourself.
I do already. Since you're the 2nd person who didn't understand that, I was obviously too dense in my comments. Let me elaborate: /usr/local has been traditionally the place where software is installed that was neither delivered by the vendor (nowadays read: distribution) nor by an ISV. (ISV software often installs itself in /opt, following a convention from UNIX(tm).) I still use that convention, and have site-specific software installed there. Looking at our installation, I observe that the size of /usr/local increases over the last few years. I have to manage and maintain software myself that once was supplied by openSUSE. That trend is actually the trigger why I started to engage in this discussion -- not the actual demise of qpopper. Obviously, I didn't succed in getting this message across. Btw, please note: When I write about /usr/local installations, I don't write about manual "make install" or such. Actual installation is managed by packages and Puppet, that's not something that's done manual. Any system in my installation must be replacable within a few minutes by fully automated means, e.g., in case of hardware problems. While almost all our disks are redundant (mirrored, laptops being an exception), CPUs and power supply ain't so; we use spare hardware if they fail. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod, Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org