Hi, I tried again and have a 10.3 box up and running. using vmware player instead of workstation 5.5 has helped the system quite a bit. evolution 2.12 is much better than 2.8 12 hours later and after a couple of evolution hangs it is still checking my exchange email account which it would not do before. The only major issue I see as of right now is that the panel and both KDE and Gnome get confused with a dual monitor setup that worked fine in 10.2 my setup Dell Latitude D620, nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] 2GB Ram Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz my xorg.conf file is attached. laptop monitor is WFP Resolution 1440x900 second monitor is a Dell 20WFP Resolution 1680x1050 Anyhow, what happens in 10.3 both gnome and kde is that the 20WFP xwininfo looks right xwininfo: Window id: 0x12000d6 "Desktop" Absolute upper-left X: 0 Absolute upper-left Y: 0 Relative upper-left X: 0 Relative upper-left Y: 0 Width: 1680 Height: 1050 Depth: 24 Visual Class: TrueColor Border width: 0 Class: InputOutput Colormap: 0x1a3 (installed) Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no Map State: IsViewable Override Redirect State: no Corners: +0+0 -0+0 -0-0 +0-0 -geometry 1680x1050+0+0 But if I maximize an application it only gets this big xwininfo: Window id: 0x2a00020 "d620:/home/nessts" Absolute upper-left X: 0 Absolute upper-left Y: 46 Relative upper-left X: 0 Relative upper-left Y: 20 Width: 1440 Height: 853 Depth: 24 Visual Class: TrueColor Border width: 0 Class: InputOutput Colormap: 0x1a3 (installed) Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no Map State: IsViewable Override Redirect State: no Corners: +0+46 -240+46 -240-151 +0-151 -geometry 177x54+0+26 If the panel is set for the bottom it is 900 pixels from the top. and 200 short of making it to the right edge of the screen. I can manually stretch things to the full screen width but it is somewhat annoying. Also, a panel that is in autohide mode does move down and jump around quite a bit which is entertaining for a minute or two. if I use the panel hide button in kde where the panel disappears off the right edge of the screen you can see 200 pixels of it hiding in plain view. I would be happy to provide any more information besides the config file and the Xorg.log that I already attached if somebody can help. Thanks -- Todd Ness