On 12/12/09 00:10, jdd-gmane wrote:
Le 11/12/2009 13:27, Basil Chupin a écrit :
From your response, and from other responses I have read, it seems that all these responses are skirting around this very basic question of security: is openSUSE impenetrable or not?
of course not
suffer the same hernia as any MS or Apple OS now can suffer from malware?
I don't know for Apple, but on windows it's nearly impossible to run it securely, that is it's much easier to compromise the system than on Linux. As there are also much more windows computers, we see quite often warnings on the TV about viruses. Did you see any for Linux?
Linux is more secure by history. nearly no Linux run with user having raw root permissions. This makes it much more difficult for malware to work.
Agreed.
not impossible.
THIS is the bit I been questioning. All a person normally hears from Linux supporters is that Linux is *secure* - not like MS products. (DAMMIT! I just went to a stored URL where this is claimed [by a Unix/Linux User Group] but the URL has changed ownership and contents. DAMN!)
Microsoft could never enforce the simple fact that no application should use an other place than the user account to store data, this is aid shortly why the viruses works. Msoft wants users to be as confident as they can on they computer, taking the risk. And users do like it.
I remember one "windows virus" that was a simple letter saying: "search for this file (name was given in the mail), if you find it, you will see that his icon is a small bear. It's a virus, remove it!!"
this file did exists, was perfectly normal and even mandatory to windows work, however, this couldn't prevent many users from removing it only on the faith of a mail and on thinking having a little bear as icon was a proof of being a virus.
same thing can happen on Linux...
Which is what I am asking about. With MS and Apple you have a group (of many thousands, all over the world) of programmers writing software. Anything which they write is not vetted by their peers because they write code confined to a specific "sandbox" or "module". So they can naturally produce crap which sooner or later will lead to exploits. We all know about this. All this is taken as a "given". But this not what has been 'pushed' by Linux devotees re Linux and generally understood by the punter. BC -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org