I have to admit it, but I'm well pleased. Couple of weeks ago, inherited a TNT2 graphics card unfortunately XFree 3.3.6 just wasn't up to it, Quake2 had dodgy graphics and UT didn't run at all. So...... Downloaded XFree86 4.0.1 from xfree86.org - about 18meg in all but only took a couple of hours. copied my /usr/X11R6 to a backup and set about installing 4.0.1 All seemed to go well, until I re-started KDE, it asked me for new templates - I said yes,,,, word to the wise.. don't in future, it overwrites your settings.. anyway, tried to login as root, complete disaster, logged in to 'xsm' what the hell was that about ? panicked, re-installed 3.3.6 and went to bed. Next day (and thats another tip - if its getting too much, walk away from it and have a rest), went back to 4.0.1, sorted KDE out and copied over a .xsession file. As everyone else has, a crappy grey screen on KDM but will have a play with kdmrc later and as it happens - this was nothing to do with yast/sax2. Tonight, re-read Thomas's homepage and installed the nvidia kernel and driver Crikey, the damn thing works, I've got glorious quake2 and UT ticks along very nicely thank you. If anyone is stuck with an NVidia chipset and 3.3.6, take the plunge, go for 4.0.1, you get a -configure option with xf86config.. Excellent...... Pete -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq