-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed October 4 2006 12:45, Anders Johansson wrote:
And you still don't see how idiotic this is starting to sound? "These evil people want to make it the default, and they don't give it to us. They must not make it default, and they must start giving it to us"
Please at least separate the paranoid rantings into two separate emails, to minimise the confusion for newcomers
Ok, so it's LGPL - fine. And yes they don't have to release it. But what's up with the push for GNOME as a default but not making them available for people to use. Perhaps I am being a bit foolish. But it seems that if you want to promote something (esp a desktop) you'd make it available for people to use/try in order to have them warm up to it. It all seems as if they are perhaps trying to monitize/proprietize GNOME. It's Ximians ballgame and they can do as they see fit. But once again. How am I supposed to decide if I should take GNOME seriously as something I would like on my desktop when I can't even get any of the current software. And the present form of GNOME on 10.0 works sometimes - until I update a GNOME related package and then it's back to depencency hell and broken stuff - much more so than others such as KDE. Sure KDE will break as will other integrated packages when one updates from time to time. But it seems that if I sneeze too hard that the Damn thing goes kludge on me. I thought about installing generic GNOME packages from Gnome.org but that hasn't gone to well either. I have sworn off the usr-local-bin packages and other 3rd party packages because everytime I install one of these GNOME essentially pukes. It's not that those making 3rd party packages are doing poor work - I generally have a lot of confidence in them. It's more like I don't trust the core GNOME stuff to remain stable enough to indeed install 3rd party stuff. Novell and Ximian are trying to run a business, I understand this. But seriously, where would one make a decision about how the Gnome dev is going if I can't test drive it from time to time without having to go out and buy a boxed set in order to get the silly stuff in the first place (cause if I can't find and install the packages from a repository where the hell else do I get the latest and greatest GNOME stuff except for what in offered in the latest SuSE product - e.g. boxed 10.1/10.2/etc). It's a lot like buying a car. "Sure, I'll sell you a new car" "Can I test drive it first" "No, you'll have to buy the car first - then you can drive it to your hearts content." "How will I know if this car is running right and drives well?" "If you buy the car then you can find out." "How stable is Gnome now?" "Check out the latest release in SLD 10.x., we've put a lot of work into it." "But isn't there a way to run the desktop on my present system to see if I like it" "No" "Last time I tried Gnome I had a lot of problems - I would rather try it first before laying down $100 for the latest boxed set to find out" "Sorry, I don't know where you would get these Gnome packages - they're not available to the public in an open download site" "So the only way I can try the latest Gnome desktop is to buy the latest version of SUSE?" "Yep!" "Nevermind" So perhaps my logic is indeed flawed. But then again I've had no problem with the other desktops. Such as XFCE4, KDE, WindowMaker, etc.... So Gnome is a special case - ok, it's their baby! But considering that DeAcaza said that he had helped Brazil setup a bunch of desktops with Gnome only to return to find they had replaced them all with KDE, much to his surprise. When he asked why they said they had to many problems with Gnome and KDE was far less of a hassle to maintian. So, I guess I'm supposed to just deal with it? I am - I avoid GNOME - but I would like to think that it's improving. How would I know? Wait for the next SuSE release and see if it works as advertised? I'm not that confident given the track record. Cheers, Curtis. - -- Spammers Beware: Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Like the song say: "Everything's 'Zen'... I don't think so"! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJBe47CQBg4DqqCwRAtzOAJ0ZBgEIO/qlZFgb5E9aA0SRGj/yYgCgt8v2 tI8mjZMbPXVX8G/ZWA8iYvg= =/DbR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----