On Wednesday 03 June 2009 13:29:25 Heinz Diehl wrote:
At Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:25:46 -0500,
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. wrote:
Therein lies the point. There is a difference between 'getting work done' on a computer and never getting done 'getting your computer to work.'
That point has been entirely missed in the decisions made surrounding the forced transition to KDE4. I would not have been hesitant at all to move to KDE4 if I could just sit down and 'get work done' on the desktop. But instead I end up endlessly chasing disappearing widgets or plasmoids that add nothing to my ability to 'get work done' but cause endless problems when they crash.
That's the main point here.
Though I'm usually a GNOME user, I have one production machine with KDE4 installed. It took me a whole day to reinstall the system, running GNOME now, solely for the purpose of getting work done. And it has eaten a lot of time being spent for bug hunting and working around things which did prevent people to be able to use that machine at all. KDE4 is deeply broken, period. I'm not going to move back to it ever, and so there will not be any bug reports from me either.
Thanks for clarifying the situation, that's just it. KDE developers should realise what's going on (and maybe take the great KDE3 and re-develop things from there again), and distribution makers should consider the consequences of forcing people to radically change the desktop environment by force-moving them to KDE4.
Some said above, it doesn't affect me that much, I'm a convinced GNOME user, these are just my 5�.
Don't want to start a flame war, but I'm a die-hard KDE user (since 1.0) and to be honest, the only problems I've got with KDE 4.x are with openSUSE. Other distros (ArchLinux to be precise) don't have the issues openSUSE has with KDE 4.x. What issues did I have? - segfaults - CPU and RAM hogged up - system unstable Hardware I'm using: - ia32 laptop with Intel VGA, intel driver, EXA acceleration (have some issues with UXA), 1 GB RAM. Running openSUSE in 1 partition and Arch in another partition. Both partitions have the same hardware, drivers, KDE, ... Both distros are the ia32 version - x86_64 deskside: ATI (radeonhd driver). Same story: one partition with openSUSE and one with Arch, same drivers, same versions of KDE,... Both distros are the x86_64 version. The openSUSE KDE 4 gives me endless problems, none with Arch Yes, also tried AMD/ATI drivers and problems still persist with openSUSE and not with ArchLinux IMHO, it's not a KDE issue. Got a buddy that uses Debian with KDE 4 and doesn't have issues either, another one uses Kubuntu: no issues. I'm not "attacking" openSUSE. I think it has great stuff like YaST2, user friendliness, ... But the openSUSE KDE 4 hasn't been as cared for as the rest of the sw openSUSE has. My 2¢ Rafa -- "We cannot treat computers as Humans. Computers need love." rgriman@skype.com rgriman@jabberes.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org