Well, after the discussions about the 2.4.16 kernel build problems with the orinoco_cs.o driver, I decided to try the 2.4.17 kernel. It has some problems, so I am reverting back to 2.4.16. Here are the problems that I encountered: Sound card es1986 module not found, so no more sound. Unplugging an a hot ethernet PCMCIA card results in NFS mounts taken down after the card has been pulled, which fail because there is no contact with the NFS server. The entire PCMCIA system hangs when this happens, forcing me to shut the system down with the power switch. I hate that. The orinoco_cs.o driver loads OK, but I can't ever seem to get a connection. The wvlan driver always worked quickly. So for now, at any rate, I am ditching the 2.4.17 kernel in favor of the known devils of 2.4.16. -ronc