June 2014 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse] On the topic of thread hijacks
by Bruce Ferrell 30 Jun '14

30 Jun '14

For your consideration: two people talking publicly -- one asks a proper question to the surrounding populace, get's an answer from a second in the crowd. first formulates a reply, and get's another answer from that same person. At this point a third party steps up and, for all intents and purposes interrupts, shouting at both (and anyone in earshot) "'you're doing it wrong!" Is this extremely rude? I find this is not only quite rude but highly insulting. In a face to face situation, I am entirely likely to tell the offender to shut up and go away. If I've seen this person do this repeatedly, I'm quite likely to be quite angry and heated about it. As long as I don't lay hands on, I'm actually fine, but s/he's quite likely to have hurt feelings and feel insulted while totally ignoring the insult they've already delivered. Is that OK? Is there a better way to address it? Some might say I've done the best thing possible in the first option... The conversation moves forward after a bit of tense back and forth. Some might say what I need to do is go and get a "cop" and have the rude, insulting, anti-social person addressed officially. Here, it seems the later is preferable... And I find myself in agreement. In the long haul, calling a cop (list admin?) clears the problem up. While the first one may FEEL faster, it actually doesn't fix the problem of individuals who feel entitled to force themselves into discussions while offer nothing of substance to that discussion. My apologies to all for my poor judgment. I did neither the list nor myself any service that way. In the future, I'll ignore miscreants and just mail the list admin. 'nuff said -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] HIJACKED THREAD: Asus G750JW wifi (Broadcom BCM4352) and kernel 3.15, s/b: The "right" way to clear up /tmp?
by Patrick Shanahan 30 Jun '14

30 Jun '14

* Bruce Ferrell <bferrell(a)baywinds.org> [06-27-14 07:03]: > On 06/27/2014 03:52 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > >* Rainer Klier <Rainer.Klier(a)xyzmo.com> [06-27-14 02:58]: > >> > >>Am 27.06.2014 02:47, schrieb Bruce Ferrell: > >>>On 06/23/2014 04:59 AM, Rainer Klier wrote: > >>>>Am 22.06.2014 13:40, schrieb Bruce Ferrell: > >>>> > >>> for the version shift and got this: > >>> > >>>KBUILD_NOPEDANTIC=1 make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` > >>>make[1]: Entering directory > >>>`/usr/src/linux-3.15.1-35.g3289da4-obj/x86_64/desktop' > >>>CFG80211 API is prefered for this kernel version > >>>Using CFG80211 API > >>>make[4]: *** No rule to make target > >>>`/home/bferrell/asus-wireless/bcmwl-6.30.223.141+bdcom/src/shared/linux_osl.o', > >>>needed by `/home/bferrell/asus-wireless/bcmwl-6.30.223.141+bdcom/wl.o'. > >>>Stop. > >>>make[3]: *** > >>>[_module_/home/bferrell/asus-wireless/bcmwl-6.30.223.141+bdcom] Error 2 > >>>make[2]: *** [sub-make] Error 2 > >>>make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 > >>>make[1]: Leaving directory > >>>`/usr/src/linux-3.15.1-35.g3289da4-obj/x86_64/desktop' > >>>make: *** [all] Error 2 > >>>:~/asus-wireless/bcmwl-6.30.223.141+bdcom> > >>maybe you miss one of the previous patches. > >>there were some other patches to support kernel versions prior to 3.15. > >> > >>to speed things up, here is my currently used, patched and working > >>source package of this driver: > >>https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwpj5Wm8iVh-MUlkbHhLU1RBOWc/edit?usp=shari… > >Please try and find a patch to not hijack threads, then start a new thread > >instead of poluting information if an existing one. > Patrick, There was no "thread hijacking" as you like to call it. He was very helpfully responding to MY request for assistance to the list so I can pretty definitively say this. > > If you can't be helpful (as you almost never are) then sit down and shut up! > > the only list pollution here is you. As you are apparently *unknowning/ignorant*: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thread+Hijacking -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] troubling line quality results
by Constant Brouerius van Nidek 30 Jun '14

30 Jun '14

Since some days I had problems to connect with the internet. After checking the net speed and the line quality with the pingtest of Ookla I found that the computer I always use had a line quality between D and F. According to the test side barely usable for a lot of programms. (computer C) Did run the test also on a reserve set with a fully updated Tumbleweed and much to my surprise with that machine I have a very good line quality A or B. (computer A) Having a notebook with (not fully updated) Tumbleweed gave me a surprise C line quality. (computer B) All computers are connected to the same router. Cable length same. With every repeat of the ping test the results are same. All connectors are clean and according to my logic, the results of all three computers should be same. Could some body come up with the reason or reasons for this troubling result. Details of the computers: A) Desktop Computer 1, Line quality A or B, has a dual core Intel Pentium D, CPU 3,40 GHz, Network card PRO/100 VE Network connection (eth0) B) Notebook Computer , Line quality C, dual core ATOM CPU N270, 1,6 GHZ, Network card Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 PCI-E Ethernet Controler (enp3s0) C) Desktop Computer, line quality D, E, F, Intel Pentium 4 CPU 1,80 GHZ Network card RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (enp1s5) Opensuse Tumbleweed was freshly setup on A and B. Computer C was updated from 12.3. What wonders me is why computer A is still using the old eth0 and both computers with worse line quality are using the new name setting. Really need the help of the list to pin down the reason of my problem before I start working on the mechanics of the machines. -- Linux User 183145 using KDE4 and LXDE on a Pentium IV , powered by openSUSE 13.1 (i586) Kernel: 3.15.1-35.g3289da4-default KDE Development Platform: 4.13.2 12:42pm up 14:31, 3 users, load average: 0.14, 0.15, 0.21 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] NTP clock slow
by James Knott 30 Jun '14

30 Jun '14

On 06/29/2014 06:25 PM, Brandon Vincent wrote: > xclock -d -update 1 produced a clock which was synced to the applet on time.gov. That solves the problem of where the problem lies. Xclock matches my radio clock and is ahead of the KDE clock, which appears to be the cause of the problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] NTP clock slow
by James Knott 29 Jun '14

29 Jun '14

On 06/28/2014 09:40 PM, John Andersen wrote: > On 6/28/2014 5:25 PM, James Knott wrote: >> On 06/28/2014 07:46 PM, John Andersen wrote: >>> not because >>> it is more accurate >> Ummm... As I mentioned earlier, that's from the National Research >> Council, which provides Canada's primary time standard. If they're >> wrong then they've got a serious problem. Also, as I mentioned, my >> Android phone, running clocksync from that same server, agreed with the >> 2 NIST sources. So, if 3 agree and one doesn't, where do you think the >> problem is? >> > If their clock disagrees with every other clock then they have a problem. > I don't care if they were commissioned by God. > > Are you still stubbornly using "time.nrc.ca" instead of time4.nrc.ca > like their own page says you should use? > Have you read all the notices on their page? > http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/time/network_time.html Please read that where it says "However a new time service for the old *TIME *protocol is now offered from a new server, *time4.nrc.ca*. Users are encouraged to switch to the NTP protocol described below, for a more accurate time service." Then further down: "To configure it to synchronize your clock to NRC time, you must set the NTP server to the following host name (do not use the IP address, as this may change): * time.nrc.ca * time.chu.nrc.ca" I am using the time.nrc.ca server they recommend for NTP. I am not using the old time protocol, so I don't use that time4 server. If I read that correctly, that time4 server is for the old time protocol, but they recommend NTP, which I am using at time.nrc.ca. Also, as I mentioned, Clocksync, on my Android phone, also using time.nrc.ca agrees with the NIST sources. So, I have one device using time.nrc.ca agreeing with both NIST sources and one that does not. It does not sound as those the server is the problem. BTW, one of their servers is time.chu.nrc.ca. CHU is a time and frequency station similar in function to WWV in the U.S.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Signing off
by C 28 Jun '14

28 Jun '14

It doesn't really matter to most of you here, but I'll say it anyway. After 16 years on this mailing list (I subscribed way back in the fall of 1998), I've had enough. The abuse, hatred, and anger that is spewed on this ML is... well... I've reached a limit, I've had enough.. I'm signing off, unsubscribing etc. I wish you all the best. To long-time members like Basil, Per, Carlos, Anton, Greg, jdd, Carl, Charles, Felix, James etc., I salute you and thank you. Your help has been incredibly valuable in the years that have gone by. C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.13 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] On suse being difficult ...
by Fred n Sandy 28 Jun '14

28 Jun '14

It has been claimed that later versions of Suse are difficult to use as they are installed but it has been my experience, after installing a few of these versions on PCs of older (80+ years) folks who definitely are not computer savvy, that they are able to use their system just fine with no followup calls needed after the initial how to explanation. These users might as well be using a thin client since most of their work - email, banking, etc - is web-based and all they need is a web browser. and Libre Office to handle their occasional office work. Between the web browser and L.O., there are all the included games and other apps that make them happy. Every user is, so far, tickled to death that they don't have to worry about those nasty Windows malware programs out there and, so far, they have not had any issues. I hope it stays that way. So, Suse is hard to set up and use unless you are an experienced user? Evidently not. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Decrypting password protected PDF files
by Carlos E. R. 28 Jun '14

28 Jun '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm trying to use "pdftk" to decrypt pdfs on the command line, like this: +++·································· cer@Telcontar:~> pdftk INPUT.pdf output unsecured.pdf do_ask The password you supplied for the input PDF: INPUT.pdf did not work. This PDF is encrypted, and you must supply the owner password to open it. If it has no owner password, then enter the user password, instead. To quit, enter a blank password at the next prompt. Please enter the open password to use on the input PDF: INPUT.pdf. It can be empty, or have a maximum of 32 characters: PASSWORD The password you supplied for the input PDF: INPUT.pdf did not work. This PDF is encrypted, and you must supply the owner password to open it. If it has no owner password, then enter the user password, instead. To quit, enter a blank password at the next prompt. Please enter the open password to use on the input PDF: INPUT.pdf. It can be empty, or have a maximum of 32 characters: ^C cer@Telcontar:~> ··································++- However, the same password, /pasted/ into evince, works. My password has non alphabetic chars. Is pdftk supposed to work, or is it buggy? Is my command line syntax wrong? I'm using openSUSE 13.1, CLI, and "pdftk 1.45". - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlOtxpUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WLKgCglj7zEHphLlirYY1NB26FiJUI 86QAniERV5CkConzVW2XgVaZw4e+p3NZ =1KzM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[opensuse] Issue with Kmail thrash folder
by Arup Rakshit 28 Jun '14

28 Jun '14

Hi, Why the thrash folder is showing there messages count, although I am seeing the folder as empty. -- ================ Regards, Arup Rakshit ================ Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. --Brian Kernighan

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Re: [opensuse] Need better ... icons? thumbnails?
by Anton Aylward 28 Jun '14

28 Jun '14

On 06/27/2014 05:13 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Anton Aylward <opensuse(a)antonaylward.com> [06-27-14 16:51]: >> On 06/27/2014 04:15 PM, Simon Heimbach wrote: >>> sure I understood what you want. And believe me you can achieve this easily >>> with PHP. I'm a developer for almost ages. >>> But I can't imagine you'll get a satisfying solution when you reject any >>> suggestions from the list instead of actively helping to develop an idea. >>> >>> Just browse the web and get some inspiration. If you have trouble setting it >>> up, you may want to ask and I'd be happy to help out. >> >> I've browsed the web and seen at least a dozen 'possibilities'. >> For reasons I think I've made clear I rejected to ones that were clearly >> 'gallery' as in 'web site for showing off your photographs'. >> I have one of those of my own as an adjunct to my blog and don't use it >> much because it requires so much setting up on a step-and-repeat basis. > > A kludge for your particular needs while clearly a gallery but is quick, > easy and scriptable have a look at fgallery for your particular distro > version. You can limit the sizes. > > Or I haven't completely understood your needs :^) I think the latter. I really really really am happy with the ftp-mode IF ONLY the lines were accompanied by a small image/thumbnail. As I say, this isn't a problem with ~anton/Documents because the document names are meaningful. While, when at the console, Konq/Dolphin shows thumbnails of documents as well, that isn't a concern when downloading to the tablet. As I say, the names are meaningful. Its only with ~anton/Photographs does it matter. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | The scripts in the web pages I keep referring to would do | | this just fine if only I could get them to work. | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ Fgallery is nice, but not that simple as it needs more to be downloaded. Let me add a requirement: if it needs a database I've already said that, yes?), needs imagemagic python or perl, zips files up into packages, adapts in any way, is more suited for viewing individual images in detail before downloading, has options or overrides available to the viewer or a configuration file, or generates thumbnails into a separate directory by use of a 'batch mode' process, then its not what I want. The slightly augmented 'ftp-mode' described in the article I keep referring to seems to be what I want. Here you go again. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9622 If only I could get that working! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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