March 2006 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

evolution + supplementary repo
by kool suse 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

i'm writing this just to maka a confirmation that doing a "smart upgrade" for the system makes evolution disapper from the machine: error message on GUI: http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evolutionbug3cb.png this is the console error i get when i try to put on again evolution: can't install evolution-2.6.0-12@i586: no package provides gtkhtml2 >=3.10.0 /me on gmail web page, filling the bug on another tab :-) --- nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com

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Dropping pine and pico from the distribution
by Pascal Bleser 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (sorry for cross-posting, but not really sure whether this is purely a packaging matter or if it should be discussed "in the hallroom") On IRC, Benjamin Weber pointed me to some odd situation about the "pico" and "pine" packages. They're part of the SUSE Linux OSS distribution but their license is not even near something OSI approved (not even to mention FSF). Quoting Benjamin: "it doesn't allow redistribution of modified versions, and redistribution of the unmodified versions is only for inclusion in non-profit things or by prior inclusion". Also read: http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v1.2/faq.html#6.2 http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-02-025-21-OP-CY-DB&t… Comparing that to the OSI open source definition: "The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software." Also violates this one: "The license must not place restrictions on other software that is distributed along with the licensed software." And that one: "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources." How about dropping them from the distribution ? pico can be replaced by GNU nano (that is already included in the distribution btw), and pine.. well... anyone still use pine ? (hint: use mutt ;)) What do you think ? NB: thanks to Benjamin for collecting all that data, I'm just transmitting ;) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser(a)skynet.be> <guru(a)unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEHgadr3NMWliFcXcRAi4MAKC7G0zDGYYlrkSairlNT/pfTJdq4gCdH4bn LAq7XwB4jS7wsYzmxn3+law= =IBqy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Question on fonts:///
by Clark P. Case 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

I am pretty new to Linux and this board so I apologize if I have posted this in the wrong place... I have been using version 10.0 for about two months now and I have found that the help files have given direction for adding TrueType fonts by opening the 'fonts:///' folder in the file manager. (I am using Gnome) I can view the contents but I cannot copy anything there. I did find a work around to add the fonts though.. This is similar to an issue where the help files refer me to the "applications:///" folder for dealing with the Gnome menu as well. In this case, I don't even get it to open anything... Even more confusing is that if I try to launch the File Manager - Super User I get the prompt for the root password but after putting it in... nothing happens.. Does anyone have any suggestions or answers to these behaviors? Am I being prevented from accessing these locations or are they locked down? Thanks in advance for your help and patience with me... Clark

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Novell client set up
by Hugo Garcia 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

Hi Complete newbie here using Novell Client for Linux. What is the genral procedure for installing Novell Client? Do I just download the Novell Client 1.1 for SuSE 10 and follow the instructions? I went into YaST | Sofware Management and did a search for 'Novell' before downloading anything. I found that I have following installed and wonder if they are necesary, important or relevant?: ncpfs - Tools for Accessing Novell File Systems zen-updater - Novell ZENworks Linux Management daemon zmd - Novell ZENworks Linux Management daemon but not CASA - Novell Common Authentication Service Adapter (CASA) Thanks -H

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Quick KDar question.
by John N. Alegre 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

I am trying to understand differential (incremental) backups in KDar. I create a main archive of a directory tree, for example /home/. The second time I back up I create a different backup with a different date in the name and choose the first backup to compare to. It selects files that are new or modified. Question ... What is the difference the third and subsequent time with choosing the first main backup or the second differential backup (or the n - 1 backup) as the reference? All comments welcome. Thank you john

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[SLE] Which Linux?
by Harikrishnan T 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Harikrishnan T <t.harikrishnan(a)gmail.com> Date: Mar 29, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] Which Linux? To: Allen <slackwarewolf(a)comcast.net> On 3/28/06, Allen <slackwarewolf(a)comcast.net> wrote: > That's the scarey part. Now you are getting the implications of Novell's new SUSE strategy. After all these years? WTF are you talking about? I wasn't eh one saying > KDE > was gone or not useable anymore.... Foul langauge ambly emphazies your shaky position. It is you who has now chanced upon the supriority of Gnome, thus relegating KDE to the second position. > May be. But your priorities are changing. That is what the SUSEites are > > worried about. > > Mine are changing? Don't think so. SUSE users will be really glad if it is actually so. Where in the hell are you getting this from? Novell never said they were > getting rid of KDE or any other desktop manager, so how would you NOT > click > on Gnome and hit enter? Your point - Gnome as default desktop is not a big issue. My point (and many others', as you too pointed out earlier) - KDE - as default desktop is not a big issue. Since we don't differ much, why tinker around with SUSE for no valid reason? Actually it does as Slackware was what SUSE started with, so it would still > be > on topic. And I've never heard one person complain about how Slackware is > made. And being made by one person.... Whatever man. Not whatever man, Allen. The Man. * *From http://www.slackware.com/about/* <volkerdi(a)slackware.com>*"Patrick Volkerding <volkerdi(a)slackware.com>* *Also known to many as The Man. Without Patrick, there would be no Slackware. He has worked for many years and continues to work on this popular and extremely stable distribution." See http://www.slackware-advocacy.org/whyuse.html "Slackware is maintained by a single person, Patrick Volkerding, who aims at delivering a stable, reliable, and trustworthy operating system. Patrick pays special attention to stability because an unstable system can neither be trusted nor relied upon. For this reason, every version of Slackware incorporates only the most stable, mature software packages available at the time of its release." In contrast we can see that OpenSUSE - developed and maintained by a community Fedora - ditto Debian - ditto and many more In fact Dedian once used to claim (and still do): See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html#s-difference "Whereas other Linux distributions are developed by individuals, small, closed groups, or commercial vendors, Debian is the only major Linux distribution that is being developed cooperatively by many individuals through the Internet, in the same spirit as Linux and other free software.: Aside: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware In 2005 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005>, the GNOME<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME>desktop environment was removed from the pending future release, and turned over to community support and distribution. The removal of GNOME was seen by some in the Linux community as significant because the desktop environment is found in many Linux distributions. It was STARTED by one > person, just like Debian was (Deb and Ian, they were married, therfore, > they > are one) And Linux, itself, was founded by one person, just like the FSF > and > Gnu, were all started by ONE person. Sure, started by one great person. But carried forward by many ordinary people. Well I think if you wanted to REALLY wow some newbies you wouldn't use KDE > or > Gnome, but Enlightenment, which makes every desktop look outdated. Our point is not to wow. We want the changeover with as less fuss as possible. But you suggestion is welcome. > > > > PS: Debian needs around 2 security updates a day. Have fun keeping up. > > > > > > Oh! City of Munich will have a tough time. > > They hired people to do this for them. and it's scriptable, not sure how > my > joke got taken this way, but I don't think English is your first language, > so > it may be how I typed it. I got your joke right. English is my first langauge. But there are as many Englishes as Linux distros. Jokes may get mixed up. The point is - Munich ditched SUSE for Debian. Sure they hired people to do it. Bye -- One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man. -- Elbert Hubbard

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small form factor laptop -- OT
by James D. Parra 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

Hello, Does anyone have a recommendation for a light weight laptop/notebook (aprox' 5 lbs or less) that also has a decent screen resolution, including all the wireless features, usb, etc. I've searched TigerDirect, Insight, etc, but nothing has caught my eye. Many thanks in advance. James

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exclude folder to backup with rsync
by Marc Collin 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

hi i try to backup my home folder with rsync... in a script i have #!/bin/sh # directory to backup BDIR=/home/$USER # excludes file - this contains a wildcard pattern per line of files to exclude EXCLUDES=exclude.txt OPTS="-a -r -v --exclude-from=$EXCLUDES" # the name of the backup machine BACKUPDIR=/tmp/test_rsync # now the actual transfer rsync $OPTS $BDIR $BACKUPDIR i try to exclude some folde and all sub-directory... in my exclude.txt i have + /home/collinm/mp3 + /home/collinm/Download when i run the script, rsync copy all file .... it copy mp3 and Download folder..... but i don't want that.... tried to replace + by - and nothing..... get the same result.... any idea? thanks

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crosscompile for AVR?
by John Grant 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

What's the suse-friendly way to build a cross-compile environment on SuSE9.3?

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Re: [SLE] Broadcom
by Ryan McCain 30 Mar '06

30 Mar '06

These were all on Dell Poweredge 2550's. Our problems were it would obtain the default route for a few seconds, then it would never be able to obtain it again. We ended up having to order our servers with Intel cards in the PCI slots. This was about a year ago. I never found the correct module to get it working. Ryan >>>Silviu Marin-Caea <silviu_marin-caea(a)fieldinsights.ro> 03/29/06 12:59 am >>> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 20:09, Ryan McCain wrote: >Intel cards have worked great. I've had numerous headaches with >Broadcom cards, however. I think I'm having the same headaches now, on a SLES9 server with all updates. Looking at the kernel source I see that the tg3 driver is version 3.37 rel. 2005-Aug-25. In my 10.1beta8, there's driver 3.49 rel 2006-Feb-2 Your headaches with Broadcom have been occurring a long time ago? The idea is that maybe the driver has improved since then. I'm seriously considering buying Intel cards for those servers. What kind of problems were you having? -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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