Hello, On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 at 23:16 +0200, David Haller wrote:
Btw, and that's the main reason for this mail, the IPs of the "smtprelay.t-online.de" servers, which probably most of us here use, are:
194.25.134.28 194.25.134.29 194.25.134.30 194.25.134.31 194.25.134.92 194.25.134.93 194.25.134.94 194.25.134.95
i.e. smtprelay has _different_ IPs that mailin.t-online.de (or whatever the normal smtp-servers are called)[1].
They are called mailto.t-online.de or smtp.t-online.de. The last is not official but the same. Yes, that's true what you said. But: If you write a mail to yourself (smtprelay -> GMX -> fetchmail e.g.), you'll see something like this: Received: from pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.8.3) for berwal@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:38:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14824 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2001 09:37:55 -0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (HELO mailout02.sul.t-online.de) (194.25.134.17) by mx0.gmx.net (mx10) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 09:37:55 -0000 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15A763-0005Lz-0C; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:37:55 +0200 Received: from hugo.local (320056352698-0001@[212.184.144.129]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 15A75z-01Sk8eC; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:37:51 +0200 Received: (from berwal@localhost) by hugo.local (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f5D9bgE01087 for bernhard.walle@gmx.de; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:37:42 +0200 Look at the 3rd "received", which means that GMX gets the mail from mailout02.sul.t-online.com. And if GMX gets this mail from this server, SuSE gets it, too. A "nslookup" says: Name: mailout02.sul.t-online.com Address: 194.25.134.17 And that's exactly one of the IP adresses, which are blocked / were blocked. So it seems to be equal whether you use the normal server or the smtprelay server.
But I do think, it's a "Bad Idea"[tm], to block (any) mail-servers of the biggest ISP in DE (and there's a lot of us using it)...
ACK.
[1] t-online has "normal" smtp-swervers (mailin), which rewrite the From-Header, and it has "relay" servers (smtprelay), that just forward the mails. By default, you can't use the relay(s), you have to go to a webpage and apply for using the relay... AFAIK, most of us here, that use t-online also use the relay ;)
I don't think so. I guess that most of the persons who are using a @t-online.de email adress use the normal SMTP server. If you count the number of users and not the number of mails, more people use the normal server. But that's only a estimation by me. Gruß, Bernhard -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----> http://www.linuxfreunde.de <------- -----------------------------------------------------------------