* mark neidorff
Hello,
Brief intro: I have had a long history with PCs and specifically with unix and Linux. My first intro was in 83 or so. I was the programmer for a school where I worked and started a collaboration with a local university to bring Internet access (in 1983) to all of the students. They provided a gateway/ router and for my enjoyment, they provided me with a set of 23 or so 1.2Mb floppies with a copy of unix (AT&T at the time) on them. My job was to get unix installed, setup connected to the internet and configured to be the gateway for the building. Just getting 23 floppies to read without error was a harrowing experience, but I succeeded. The rest is a pleasant history. A class I taught was called "Logic Lab" and we learned binary and hex, built circuits to display a numeral or letter on a 7 segment display, add 2 binary integers, etc. etc. The most amazing thing was that "they got it!" I couldn't sit still, linux arrived and I had a new friend.
Over the years, I evaluated--for me--different distros. Started with "Fedora", then debian, then RedHat (evolved from Fedora).quite a few others along the way and finally settling with OpenSuse. Started in the 10 series and have followed along to now. It has been good up through OpenSuse15.2. Then 15.3 came out, and I was ready to upgrade. Unfortuntaely, 15.2 had started to need the occasional reboot or total poweroff to get it working. And it got worse and worse until the computer just wouldn't start anymore. This was the slowest motion "crash and burn" I have ever had. So, now I decided that I needed a new PC. Shopped, decided that PCs are commodities these days and didn't worry too much about capability, as long as the new system would work for me. I chose a Dell PC. One of my decisions was that I wanted a better graphics card than the baseline ones that I have used. No, I am not a gamer. I don't give a hoot about them, (guess my age is showing) but I wanted to see what a new graphics card would provide me.
So my system specs became: Dell XPS 8940 Desktop. Intel Core i7-11700 processor (2.5GHz...max turbo to 4.9GHz) Intel H470 chipset 32Gb DDR4 (2933 MHz) RAM (4 X 8Gb) NVIDIA RTX2060 6Gb PCIe graphics card
{More info on the graphics card----VGA compat NVIDIA Corp Tu106[GeForce RTX 2060 Rev A] (Rev a1)}
{onboard graphics---VGA compat Intel Rocket Lake-S GT1 [UHD graphics 750] Rev 04 ---- My intention is not to use this, but that is not a requirement for me. 1 Tb M.2 NVME drive 1 Tb 72--rpm 3.5" SATA HDD Tray loading DVD/CD RW drive 10/1000/1000 LAN Killer Wi-Fi 6 ax1650i(2X2) 802.11ax wireless + Bluetooth 5.1
That looked pretty good to me (what do I know?). Plugged it all in, started it up, and Windows 10 started to install.I believe that I wiped it out, but there seems to be a remnant somewhere which seems to be benign (but perhaps not??? I do not know) I can't boot into Windows, so that is good.
NOW TO THE PROBLEM i AM HAVING:
I can boot into text mode linux, but I can not get X running and I have no graphical video output Text mode is perfectly usable.. I tried following a guide for getting the video working, but that did not help.
I will provide any information that you need (run in text mode, of course) to help me diagnose why I can't get graphical mode going and will gladly accept any guidance on how to solve my problems with getting xwindows working properly.
just returned: Dell x7-11700 32GB GeForce RTX 3060 8GB 500G SSD 1T Spinning Rust no problem getting windoz to run with either graphics, nvidia or intel, but absolutely no success running any graphical interface using nvidia card. and really wanted to succeed. price was great -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times...
* Patrick Shanahan
just returned: Dell x7-11700 32GB GeForce RTX 3060 8GB 500G SSD 1T Spinning Rust
no problem getting windoz to run with either graphics, nvidia or intel, but absolutely no success running any graphical interface using nvidia card.
on openSUSE Tumbleweed intel graphics ran fine on Tumbleweed
and really wanted to succeed. price was great
-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times...
On 11/12/2021 21.13, mark neidorff wrote:
Hello,
Brief intro: I have had a long history with PCs and specifically with unix and Linux. My first intro was in 83 or so. I was the programmer for a school where I worked and started a collaboration with a local university to bring Internet access (in 1983) to all of the students. They provided a gateway/router and for my enjoyment, they provided me with a set of 23 or so 1.2Mb floppies with a copy of unix (AT&T at the time) on them. My job was to get unix installed, setup connected to the internet and configured to be the gateway for the building. Just getting 23 floppies to read without error was a harrowing experience, but I succeeded. The rest is a pleasant history. A class I taught was called "Logic Lab" and we learned binary and hex, built circuits to display a numeral or letter on a 7 segment display, add 2 binary integers, etc. etc. The most amazing thing was that "they got it!" I couldn't sit still, linux arrived and I had a new friend.
Over the years, I evaluated--for me--different distros. Started with "Fedora", then debian, then RedHat (evolved from Fedora).quite a few others along the way and finally settling with OpenSuse.
It is "openSUSE", written that way :-)
Started in the 10 series and have followed along to now. It has been good up through OpenSuse15.2. Then 15.3 came out, and I was ready to upgrade. Unfortuntaely, 15.2 had started to need the occasional reboot or total poweroff to get it working. And it got worse and worse until the computer just wouldn't start anymore. This was the slowest motion "crash and burn" I have ever had. So, now I decided that I needed a new PC. Shopped, decided that PCs are commodities these days and didn't worry too much about capability, as long as the new system would work for me. I chose a Dell PC. One of my decisions was that I wanted a better graphics card than the baseline ones that I have used. No, I am not a gamer. I don't give a hoot about them, (guess my age is showing) but I wanted to see what a new graphics card would provide me.
I don't care much about the graphic card, but it must work - notice that it is _it_ must work, not me. I got tired of NVidia, it must be an AMD for me now. Works out of the box. NVidia often needs proprietary drivers, and jumping through hoolahoops. IMNSHO :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 12/11/21 3:13 PM, mark neidorff wrote:
Hello,
< So my system specs became:
Dell XPS 8940 Desktop.
Intel Core i7-11700 processor (2.5GHz...max turbo to 4.9GHz)
Intel H470 chipset
32Gb DDR4 (2933 MHz) RAM (4 X 8Gb)
NVIDIA RTX2060 6Gb PCIe graphics card {More info on the graphics card----VGA compat NVIDIA Corp
Tu106[GeForce RTX 2060 Rev A] (Rev a1)} {onboard graphics---VGA compat Intel Rocket Lake-S GT1 [UHD graphics
750] Rev 04 ---- My intention is not to use this, but that is not a
requirement for me.
1 Tb M.2 NVME drive
1 Tb 72--rpm 3.5" SATA HDD
Tray loading DVD/CD RW drive
10/1000/1000 LAN
Killer Wi-Fi 6 ax1650i(2X2) 802.11ax wireless + Bluetooth 5.1 That looked pretty good to me (what do I know?). Plugged it all in,
started it up, and Windows 10 started to install.I believe that I
wiped it out, but there seems to be a remnant somewhere which seems to
be benign (but perhaps not??? I do not know) I can't boot into
Windows, so that is good. NOW TO THE PROBLEM i AM HAVING: I can boot into text mode linux, but I can not get X running and I
have no graphical video output Text mode is perfectly usable.. I
tried following a guide for getting the video working, but that did
not help. You don't say which guide nor the steps you took.
The RTX 2060 is supported by the nvidia driver. Did you install it? If
so, how?
What to you get with (as root):
#hwinfo --gfxcard
#lsmod | grep nv
#lsmod | grep nouv
--dg
mark neidorff composed on 2021-12-11 15:13 (UTC-0500):
So my system specs became: Dell XPS 8940 Desktop. Intel Core i7-11700 processor (2.5GHz...max turbo to 4.9GHz) Intel H470 chipset 32Gb DDR4 (2933 MHz) RAM (4 X 8Gb) NVIDIA RTX2060 6Gb PCIe graphics card
{More info on the graphics card----VGA compat NVIDIA Corp Tu106[GeForce RTX 2060 Rev A] (Rev a1)}
{onboard graphics---VGA compat Intel Rocket Lake-S GT1 [UHD graphics 750] Rev 04 ---- My intention is not to use this, but that is not a requirement for me. ... I can boot into text mode linux, but I can not get X running and I have no graphical video output Text mode is perfectly usable.. I tried following a guide for getting the video working, but that did not help. Just a FYI, I only got my new Rocket Lake booted to installed TW for the first time shortly before bed, past 4AM this morning: # inxi -Sy System: Host: ab250 Kernel: 5.15.6-1-default x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity R14.0.11 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20211209 # inxi -Gayz Graphics: Device-1: Intel RocketLake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 730] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: N/A alternate: i915 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:4c8b class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.21.1.1 driver: loaded: N/A unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa alternate: intel display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1024x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 271x203mm (10.7x8.0") s-diag: 339mm (13.3") Monitor-1: default res: 1024x768 hz: 76 OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 13.0.0 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 21.3.1 direct render: Yes
As you can see, I didn't buy a dedicated GPU, and X is only running on the crude FBDEV driver in 1024x768 resolution, and on only one display. I only ever buy dedicated GPUs when they're old and cheap on eBay, and rarely that, since old gfxcards have historically gravitated to me for free. All my newest motherboards are running IGP, 2 AMD, the rest Intel (2 Haswell, 2 Kaby Lake, plus my new B560 chipset Rocket Lake that lacks any CSM mode option in BIOS). I posted about it in the forum: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/563731-putting-Intel-Rocket-Lake-... I haven't had time to get back to it since I slept, too much else to do. Possibly my foibles and findings may help here over the coming hours or days, and/or vice versa. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
mark neidorff composed on 2021-12-18 16:20 (UTC-0500):
Today out of frustration, I tried:
# insmod nouveau # startx
...and !! POOF!! a desktop login appeared and I knew that I had success. So, I concluded that it was the "insmod" that was not happening when the system boots.
What do I have to do to get 'nouveau' to be automatically "inserted" on boot and have the computer in graphics mode on boot? Seems like reaching graphical.target is happening too fast. Maybe add a file to /etc/dracut.conf.d/. From an old default file as template, put in it:
# additional kernel modules to the default add_drivers+="nouveau" Then rebuild initrd. First grep nouveau using lsinitrd to see if it's already in there. I don't see it here for an old GeForce 6150SE IGP in TW. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 12/18/21 4:50 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
mark neidorff composed on 2021-12-18 16:20 (UTC-0500):
Today out of frustration, I tried: # insmod nouveau # startx ...and !! POOF!! a desktop login appeared and I knew that I had success. So, I concluded that it was the "insmod" that was not happening when the system boots. What do I have to do to get 'nouveau' to be automatically "inserted" on boot and have the computer in graphics mode on boot? Seems like reaching graphical.target is happening too fast. Maybe add a file to /etc/dracut.conf.d/. From an old default file as template, put in it:
# additional kernel modules to the default add_drivers+="nouveau"
Then rebuild initrd.
First grep nouveau using lsinitrd to see if it's already in there. I don't see it here for an old GeForce 6150SE IGP in TW.
Modules are not inserted when the system boots. They are already in the initrd. Hence, Felix's instructions. If in your various attempts you even partially succeeded installing the nvidia driver, that /may/ have resulted in the nouveau driver being blacklisted. If files 50-nvidia-default.conf and nvidia.default under /etc/modprobe.d/ are on your system, remove them. On my system both nvidia and nouveau are in the initrd. The files above load nvidia and prevent loading of nouveau. --dg 15.3
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