* Felix Miata [12-27-19 16:58]:

Ish Sookun composed on 2019-12-26 21:09 (UTC+0400):

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The election schedule is as follows: https://twitter.com/openSUSE/status/1206462985750896640/photo/1

At what opensuse.org counterpart can this be found? twitter.com is quite purposely blocked by my hosts files.

just for you, saved the picture: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Understanding_openSUSE_Election.jpeg -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

* Felix Miata [12-27-19 17:46]:

Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-12-27 17:09 (UTC-0500):

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Felix Miata composed:

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Ish Sookun composed on 2019-12-26 21:09 (UTC+0400):

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The election schedule is as follows: https://twitter.com/openSUSE/status/1206462985750896640/photo/1

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At what opensuse.org counterpart can this be found? twitter.com is quite purposely blocked by my hosts files.

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just for you, saved the picture: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Understanding_openSUSE_Election.jpeg

Your google-fu is obviously better than mine. At what URL is this? What search terms did you use to locate it? I couldn't find it on https://news.opensuse.org/ https://en.opensuse.org/ or https://www.opensuse.org/. Everything I click on that looks election related seems to refer to https://news.opensuse.org/category/project/board-elections/ or it by another name or https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election

site:opensuse.org election understanding schedule opensuse-project Ish Sookun Edwin Zakaria ariez vachha and Two seats are open on the opensuse board on Google don't produce it.

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On 12/28/19 2:09 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Felix Miata [12-27-19 16:58]:

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Ish Sookun composed on 2019-12-26 21:09 (UTC+0400):

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The election schedule is as follows: https://twitter.com/openSUSE/status/1206462985750896640/photo/1

At what opensuse.org counterpart can this be found? twitter.com is quite purposely blocked by my hosts files.

just for you, saved the picture: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Understanding_openSUSE_Election.jpeg

Thanks for doing this, Patrick. Sorry for late reply. Got busy the past few days. The post should come up on news.o.o as well. It's just the holiday season that got things slow. Regards, Ish Sookun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Op vrijdag 27 december 2019 22:57:14 CET schreef Felix Miata:

Ish Sookun composed on 2019-12-26 21:09 (UTC+0400):

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The election schedule is as follows: https://twitter.com/openSUSE/status/1206462985750896640/photo/1

At what opensuse.org counterpart can this be found? twitter.com is quite purposely blocked by my hosts files. I have no doubt that this will be on news.o.o, but hey, it's the holiday season and the candidacy phase just ended yesterday.

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On 1/15/20 7:39 PM, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

[ Delayed by 2 weeks plus a night due to DNS/mail server mis-config. :-( ]

On Thu 2019-12-26, Ish Sookun wrote:

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It's 26 December! The call for nominations and applications for the openSUSE Board election has ended. We received four applications. The list of candidates is as follows:

Thank you, Ish! And a huge thank you to the four candidates for stepping up and volunteering their energy and time.

...

Should you have any question for our candidates, please feel free to ping them.

1. What do you see as three, four strenghts of openSUSE that we should cultivate and build upon?

1. How easy it is to contribute to. Compared to many other distro's the barrier to making a first contribution is often quite low this is a message that we should continue to sell and cultivate by making sure our documentation for new contributors reflects this. 2. We have many large communities in places where some of the other major distro's struggle due to language and cultural barriers, at the same time we can probably try and do more to get these communities talking to each other. 3. How easy it is to use. One of the things that drew me to openSUSE was YaST and how it made it easy to do a number of different things that can be quite hard to do on other distro's. I certainly think we can improve some of our marketing in this area (Its nice to see discussions around that). At the same time I think we need to be careful not to dumb other areas down to a point where it makes life hard for existing power users. There is certainly a fine line of how much do we want to allow users to shoot themselves in the foot in some areas.

2. What are the top three risks you see for openSUSE? (And maybe ideas how to tackle them?)

I think the biggest risk for any open source projects is not continuing to train / bring in new contributors, in any project it is inevitable that over time existing contributors will want to go of and do new things and explore new ideas meaning that if there aren't new contributors coming through to take there place the project will slowly die. This extends beyond developers to community organizers etc Secondly I see complacency as a big risk for the project, while we now have two very good capable distro's it starts to become easy for us to sit back and stop really innovating despite the fact that tumbleweed is an amazing distro for innovation. Less of a risk more of a thing we can still improve, there are many parts of the world where openSUSE is still not as well known as other distro's its certainly worth investigating ways to improve this, although often the best way is to find someone willing to be active in there local community and finding the first person to do this is the hard first step. In many ways I think the solution to all three of these questions is somewhat linked, by focusing on attracting new users in existing and new communities be they geographical or open source communities where we haven't had a significant presence. We can then work toward getting some of those users to contribute to area's they are passionate about which will hopefully lead to more innovation. In reality its probably more complex then that. Maybe a solution here is to encourage existing members of the openSUSE community to join other open source communities of interest to themselves.

3. What should the board do differently / more of?

This is a hard one for me to answer having been in the board for the last two years, there was definitely parts of the name vote we could have handled better. Given the work that's currently going on with the board I wouldn't be looking to change much and do to many different things until the foundation issue is sorted out. If the foundation goes ahead then there will be a number of foundation related things where the board can start to look at differently and it will be interesting to explore those.

4. If you had a blank voucher from the SUSE CEO for one wish, what would that be?

To extend SUSE's commitment to provide all the "core" resources that openSUSE need to function to include providing administration staffing for a foundation. It is far easier and more efficient for a large company such as SUSE to employ one more person then it is for a foundation to set up all the overheads it needs to employ someone. Second on the list would be for SUSE to provide openSUSE and the open source community at large with a full time designer. Products that look and feel polished are much more likely to attract users. While community contributors have stepped up a lot in the last year or so the projects web presence lacks a consistent design and flow with some parts of our web presence not seeing significant design changes for a number of years. It would also be wonderful to have unique and well designed branding across all our major desktops for Leap 16. Then when openSUSE design is looking in a good shape to help some of the other open source projects we use alot.

5. What is your take on the Foundation? What do you consider a realistic outcome of that endeavour? (And if different, what outcome would you like to see?)

Having spent a large amount of time looking at this question over the last 2 years, I believe that the proposal the board put forward at the last conference is a realistic way forward and the best way to proceed. Having looked in detail at a number of possibilities I believe that the only two realistic proposals are the one that was put forward and to continue not to have a foundation. For a foundation of our size the question of having a sponsor to help handle the administration work is an absolute prerequisite without such I think it would be very unwise to pursue a foundation without such given the amount of extra work that would be required and that the project hasn't been able to find a replacement treasurer to cover the existing stuff we need to do. Even looking at an e.V. I believe that it would be unswise to go down that path without this being satisfied as well as additional risks about how the scope of the project could change over time as such I almost certainly wouldn't support a proposal for a foundation based around an e.V. Similarly from the existing foundations we have spoken to about partnering with there are concerns that we as a project are probably two big and would create to mich work for them it would also potentially become very expensive for us to the point where we could look at doing our own thing anyway. So in summary I believe going with a proposal other then the one the current board has suggested has to much long term risk and it would be unwise to go down that path as such i'm unlikely to support any alternate proposals should we not be able to work through the details of the current one with SUSE. Anyway I've probably written more then enough for now but if you have questions feel free to ask you can also find slightly more info at my platform page https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2020_platform_simotek -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

Election candidates, et al,

Happy Chinese New Year from Hong Kong!

Firstly let me thank the candidates for stepping forward as well as the
other election officials especially, Ish and Edwin for their hard work
in getting this process so far.

As an openSUSE old timer, yet probably one of the newest members of
openSUSE. I have a question for the the election candidates albeit
extremely 11th hour, which I believe is extremely pertinent to the
future of openSUSE. For some years I saw openSUSE fall down the rankings
as well as as experienced some lag in the update cycles relative to
other distros. I put this down to SUSE being passed from pillar to post
for over a decade. Recently though openSUSE has really got its "mojo"
back and is on fire! I've had a number of projects recently which I
think would have been extremely difficult to execute with any other
distribution.

But here's the thing, the future relies on getting new blood involved.
My recent experience in trying to get involved in the project by
understand the workings of the organisation has been a long and
relatively painful process. So much so that I failed in my commitment to
the other election officials. I do not want to detract from any of the
contribution of any of the volunteers, as I know no from other projects
I'm involved in the commitment it takes.

I would like to know the candidates views on making it easier for those
that want to participate, especially non coders, to do so, and how they
propose to do it.

>From reading the mailing lists, I can see that this has been touched on
on and talked about quite a bit. I feel it needs to be moved up the
priority list. Not being one to make comment if I'm unable to contribute
I'm happy to volunteer in this effort regardless of election outcome.

Cheers,
Ariez

On 15/01/2020 17:09, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> [ Delayed by 2 weeks plus a night due to DNS/mail server mis-config. :-( ]
>
> On Thu 2019-12-26, Ish Sookun wrote:
>> It's 26 December! The call for nominations and applications for the
>> openSUSE Board election has ended. We received four applications. 
>> The list of candidates is as follows:
> Thank you, Ish! And a huge thank you to the four candidates
> for stepping up and volunteering their energy and time.
>
>> Should you have any question for our candidates, please feel free 
>> to ping them.
>  1. What do you see as three, four strenghts of openSUSE that we
> should cultivate and build upon?
>
>  2. What are the top three risks you see for openSUSE? (And maybe
> ideas how to tackle them?)
>
>  3. What should the board do differently / more of?
>
>  4. If you had a blank voucher from the SUSE CEO for one wish,
> what would that be?
>
>  5. What is your take on the Foundation? What do you consider
> a realistic outcome of that endeavour? (And if different, what
> outcome would you like to see?)
>
>
> Thanks,
> Gerald

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Hi Ariez,

Welcome to openSUSE! Everybody of us had to start anywhere at openSUSE.
We had this topic "How to make the start at openSUSE easier" in the Board and different teams.

Most non-technical teams (Translation, Advocates (Representatives at events)/ Marketing and others)
have good descriptions as wiki pages. The problem is that you have to use Google with those key words
to find them at the moment.

You are living in China. We don't have many Contributors in China and therefore our Chinese list with Advovates
at open-source events is not really long[0] with 1 Advocate. That is what I meant that we need more Advocates
at open-source events.

4 years ago, I created my first slides for an overview about the latest openSUSE release and how to
start as a Contributor. I have improved them yearly and that was represented at most open-source events
in Germany. Those slides have been shared with other Advocates, too. That is in German at the moment.
I will translate that, that they can be used in other countries, too.

Best regards,
Sarah


[0]https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Advocates_list

> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Januar 2020 um 18:19 Uhr
> Von: "Ariez J Vachha" 
> An: "Gerald Pfeifer" , opensuse-project@opensuse.org
> Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Board election 2019-2020 - Final candidates list
>
> Election candidates, et al,
>
> Happy Chinese New Year from Hong Kong!
>
> Firstly let me thank the candidates for stepping forward as well as the
> other election officials especially, Ish and Edwin for their hard work
> in getting this process so far.
>
> As an openSUSE old timer, yet probably one of the newest members of
> openSUSE. I have a question for the the election candidates albeit
> extremely 11th hour, which I believe is extremely pertinent to the
> future of openSUSE. For some years I saw openSUSE fall down the rankings
> as well as as experienced some lag in the update cycles relative to
> other distros. I put this down to SUSE being passed from pillar to post
> for over a decade. Recently though openSUSE has really got its "mojo"
> back and is on fire! I've had a number of projects recently which I
> think would have been extremely difficult to execute with any other
> distribution.
>
> But here's the thing, the future relies on getting new blood involved.
> My recent experience in trying to get involved in the project by
> understand the workings of the organisation has been a long and
> relatively painful process. So much so that I failed in my commitment to
> the other election officials. I do not want to detract from any of the
> contribution of any of the volunteers, as I know no from other projects
> I'm involved in the commitment it takes.
>
> I would like to know the candidates views on making it easier for those
> that want to participate, especially non coders, to do so, and how they
> propose to do it.
>
> From reading the mailing lists, I can see that this has been touched on
> on and talked about quite a bit. I feel it needs to be moved up the
> priority list. Not being one to make comment if I'm unable to contribute
> I'm happy to volunteer in this effort regardless of election outcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Ariez
>
> On 15/01/2020 17:09, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> > [ Delayed by 2 weeks plus a night due to DNS/mail server mis-config. :-( ]
> >
> > On Thu 2019-12-26, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >> It's 26 December! The call for nominations and applications for the
> >> openSUSE Board election has ended. We received four applications.
> >> The list of candidates is as follows:
> > Thank you, Ish! And a huge thank you to the four candidates
> > for stepping up and volunteering their energy and time.
> >
> >> Should you have any question for our candidates, please feel free
> >> to ping them.
> >  1. What do you see as three, four strenghts of openSUSE that we
> > should cultivate and build upon?
> >
> >  2. What are the top three risks you see for openSUSE? (And maybe
> > ideas how to tackle them?)
> >
> >  3. What should the board do differently / more of?
> >
> >  4. If you had a blank voucher from the SUSE CEO for one wish,
> > what would that be?
> >
> >  5. What is your take on the Foundation? What do you consider
> > a realistic outcome of that endeavour? (And if different, what
> > outcome would you like to see?)
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gerald
>
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Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 um 10:19 Uhr Von: "Richard Brown" An: opensuse-project@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Board election 2019-2020 - Final candidates list

On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 08:12 +0100, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:

...

You are living in China. We don't have many Contributors in China and therefore our Chinese list with Advovates at open-source events is not really long[0] with 1 Advocate. That is what I meant that we need more Advocates at open-source events.

There may not be many Chinese people listed on that old crusty wiki page but as a champion of the openSUSE Asia community I have to strongly object to any suggestion that "we don't have many Contributors in China"

We have a lot, and I hope none of them are insulted by the suggestion from a Board candidate that they don't exist.

Sorry, that I didn't know abot these openSUSE Contributors! The question is, why we don't contribute to other open-source events in Asia then. That's it, what Ariez wants to know and needs. I want to support them. That is not possible, if we don't know about them as Advocates.

One of my most exhilerating times as a community member was meeting so many of them in Bejing in 2014 (Group photo linked below).

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3928/15378270997_b59755f92a_b.jpg

While I haven't been able to see them as often as I'd have linked in the years since, I see evidence of the fine work of our Chinese contributors in every openSUSE Asia conference since and their fingerprints all over our project, from code, to creating art, to helping conference booths across the world.

You may be quiet and unassuming enough for Sarah to have missed you but I want this public record to show that I know you exist, love the work you are doing, and I'm sure you'll help us welcome Ariez to the community with open arms.

I am not unassuming. Watch your last emails. The you can see, who is working pro community and who not. You have shown yourself on the mailing list exactly as this "Richard" who had been in the Board. That explains, what I have meant in my Q&A.

切平安,

Richard

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Hi Richard! I really don't want to appear arrogant and/or lecturing you, nonetheless I want to say that we moved far off topic in this thread already. Additionally: It's hard to miss that you and Sarah somehow have continuing differences. I can't say why, but I'd love to see you both rather talk to each other in person to overcome those differences or at least agree to something like a gentlemen's and ladies' agreement to show some more respect for each other and focus more onto the project than starting some unnecessary personal vendetta. Just as Sarah I somehow missed how big our community obviously is in China and HK, too. So at least we got something good out of everything: Spreading the word about the many contributors from China and HK. You are welcome and everyone here appreciates your contributions to openSUSE. Kind regards Pierre Böckmann On Monday, 27 January 2020 10:43:34 CET Richard Brown wrote:

On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 10:33 +0100, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:

...

...

There may not be many Chinese people listed on that old crusty wiki page but as a champion of the openSUSE Asia community I have to strongly object to any suggestion that "we don't have many Contributors in China"

We have a lot, and I hope none of them are insulted by the suggestion from a Board candidate that they don't exist.

Sorry, that I didn't know abot these openSUSE Contributors! The question is, why we don't contribute to other open-source events in Asia then. That's it, what Ariez wants to know and needs. I want to support them. That is not possible, if we don't know about them as Advocates.

We do contribute to other open-source events in Asia..all the time..

Coscup, every GNOME Asia I can think of, events across indonesia, japan, china.. our Asian community generally and Chinese community specifically are everywhere, all the time.

We don't formally track Advocates and haven't for quite some time, ever since the Board decided to officially end the program as a formal affair and encorage anyone to advocate for openSUSE.

You were part the Board that made that decision at our Face to Face Board meeting in Prague. This is when Simon Lees moved the page you linked to the wiki Archive on day 2 of that meeting, on 23 May 2018:

https://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Archive:Advocates_list&diff=131162&o ldid=125920

So I would expect that Archived page to be totally wrong and out of date - it was wrong and out of date when we all agreed to Archive it..

Regards,

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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Brown wrote:

On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 08:12 +0100, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:

...

You are living in China. We don't have many Contributors in China and therefore our Chinese list with Advovates at open-source events is not really long[0] with 1 Advocate. That is what I meant that we need more Advocates at open-source events.

There may not be many Chinese people listed on that old crusty wiki page but as a champion of the openSUSE Asia community I have to strongly object to any suggestion that "we don't have many Contributors in China"

We have a lot, and I hope none of them are insulted by the suggestion from a Board candidate that they don't exist.

One of my most exhilerating times as a community member was meeting so many of them in Bejing in 2014 (Group photo linked below).

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3928/15378270997_b59755f92a_b.jpg

While I haven't been able to see them as often as I'd have linked in the years since, I see evidence of the fine work of our Chinese contributors in every openSUSE Asia conference since and their fingerprints all over our project, from code, to creating art, to helping conference booths across the world.

You may be quiet and unassuming enough for Sarah to have missed you but I want this public record to show that I know you exist, love the work you are doing, and I'm sure you'll help us welcome Ariez to the community with open arms.

Thank you Richard! I'm usually a bit quiet on this ML but I'm also an openSUSE Member and contributor [1] from Hong Kong. I will help Ariez in anyway I can :). About about the "We don't have many Contributors in China" I also find it to be untrue. Our openSUSE Discord server has 2 moderators from China (including myself) and there are other openSUSE chat groups in Chinese language using IRC and other platforms. Also, having been to openSUSE Asia and COScon myself, I had the pleasure to meet openSUSE Board members and many openSUSE contributors from China and other countries in Asia. I case there is doubt because we maybe don't participate much in ML discussions, we do exist :) Have a lot of fun! [1] https://en.opensuse.org/User:Mauriziogalli -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce https://en.opensuse.org/User:Mauriziogalli -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hi On 1/27/20 3:49 AM, Ariez J Vachha wrote:

Election candidates, et al,

Happy Chinese New Year from Hong Kong!

Firstly let me thank the candidates for stepping forward as well as the other election officials especially, Ish and Edwin for their hard work in getting this process so far.

As an openSUSE old timer, yet probably one of the newest members of openSUSE. I have a question for the the election candidates albeit extremely 11th hour, which I believe is extremely pertinent to the future of openSUSE. For some years I saw openSUSE fall down the rankings as well as as experienced some lag in the update cycles relative to other distros. I put this down to SUSE being passed from pillar to post for over a decade. Recently though openSUSE has really got its "mojo" back and is on fire! I've had a number of projects recently which I think would have been extremely difficult to execute with any other distribution.

But here's the thing, the future relies on getting new blood involved. My recent experience in trying to get involved in the project by understand the workings of the organisation has been a long and relatively painful process. So much so that I failed in my commitment to the other election officials. I do not want to detract from any of the contribution of any of the volunteers, as I know no from other projects I'm involved in the commitment it takes.

I would like to know the candidates views on making it easier for those that want to participate, especially non coders, to do so, and how they propose to do it.

From reading the mailing lists, I can see that this has been touched on on and talked about quite a bit. I feel it needs to be moved up the priority list. Not being one to make comment if I'm unable to contribute I'm happy to volunteer in this effort regardless of election outcome.

Hi, As I said in my response to Gerald's questions I think one of openSUSE's biggest strengths is that we deal with language support better then most which is great but does come with a unique set of challenges. Given that many many users can use openSUSE in there native language it has meant that we have a large number of communities that tend to meet and work in there own native language which is great. I have had the privilege of meeting people from many of these communities at the last few Asia Summits. I think that one of the things we see here is that many people in many communities aren't aware of which communities are doing what and which people in which communities are capable of doing what. After 3 years I have a bit more of an idea because i've had the privilege of going to conferences and seeing talks on some of these things but I know its only scratching the surface. So I tend to agree we should do a better job of telling everyone which communities we have and what they are doing. Its very hard to contribute to something if you don't know it exists. I also think another of our strengths compared to many other distro's is how easy it is to make technical contributions (atleast if you speak english) at the same time I think this combined with the fact that SUSE in the last few years has done a reasonable job of keeping its commitment to keep the core of the distro in a good working state has meant we haven't done as well at attracting new contributors as we probably should. I think the one area we tend to do reasonably well is providing channels for members to provide support for each other, providing forums / chatrooms for a bunch of languages is reasonably straight forward. Having said that I was contributing to openSUSE for 2 years before I even realized we had forums, and was only made aware because a forum moderator told me someone had a question about something I maintain. So I agree with Vinz that refreshing our web platform and making a how to contribute is an absolute must. This topic has been raised by previous boards that I have been on and at the time we decided that due to much of openSUSE's web presence being hosted by Microfocus and the fact that due to SUSE's sale to EQT much of this infrastructure was scheduled to be moved back to SUSE / the Heroes team it would be better to wait until that finished. That process is getting closer to being done so I believe the next year or two will provide an excellent opportunity for us to re address this issue. Another thing I alluded to above that I discussed with some of the team at Asia summit last year was the fact that many of our tools and processes for development are really easy to contribute to if you have a good understanding of english (this probably also extends to things like this board election) for example without understanding some basic english you would struggle to follow these discussions and no who to speak to. At the same time I am friends with many members of our community on facebook and when they post something in there native language I get a great "see translation" button that I can press and have a reasonable understanding of the conversation. Personally I think we should be looking at how we can adapt something like this into our tools such as bugtrackers and obs so that its possible for people who dont speak any english to contribute to more parts of the project. This would obviously take alot of work and probably isn't even possible with our current bugzilla. But the board is probably an ideal place to put together some form of joint business plan to work toward a open source auto translation platform (if one doesn't exist) then get it integrated into things like obs. Maybe this is a product some of SUSE's customers would be interested in, maybe not, but having such a feature would give openSUSE a unique advantage when it comes to attracting contributors who don't speak english to open source development. While I have never really liked the idea of having a "Community Manager" position, our community really should be free to go do whatever they want and they don't really need managing but maybe we should create some form of "Community Communications Manager" that keeps track of which communities we have, who the best contacts are and works to harness the fantastic translation team we have so that we can communicate important things more effectively with all our different communities. The final thing I have on my list is improving how we do documentation and making it much easier to contribute to, due to my time constraints i've been leaving this one until after the foundation work is mostly done. Basically the concept is to merge the documentation we inherit from SUSE with additional "User generated content such as tips etc" along with pulling in the user documentation currently on the wiki maybe also with some content from the forums and some how to articles all merged into once central openSUSE knowledge base. Given the amount of foundation stuff still going on i'm not sure if this is something i'll be able to pursue in the next year or if it gets left until the year after. Thanks for your feedback and prompting us to do better here, at every openSUSE related conference i've been to there has always been a couple of users that come along and get inspired to be more involved and I think that's fantastic so i'd encourage everyone to come to a conference at some point if they can. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On 1/29/20 2:18 AM, victorhck wrote:

El 28/1/20 a las 7:05, Simon Lees escribió:

...

Another thing I alluded to above that I discussed with some of the team at Asia summit last year was the fact that many of our tools and processes for development are really easy to contribute to if you have a good understanding of english (this probably also extends to things like this board election) for example without understanding some basic english you would struggle to follow these discussions and no who to speak to. At the same time I am friends with many members of our community on facebook and when they post something in there native language I get a great "see translation" button that I can press and have a reasonable understanding of the conversation. Personally I think we should be looking at how we can adapt something like this into our tools such as bugtrackers and obs so that its possible for people who dont speak any english to contribute to more parts of the project. This would obviously take alot of work and probably isn't even possible with our current bugzilla. But the board is probably an ideal place to put together some form of joint business plan to work toward a open source auto translation platform (if one doesn't exist) then get it integrated into things like obs. Maybe this is a product some of SUSE's customers would be interested in, maybe not, but having such a feature would give openSUSE a unique advantage when it comes to attracting contributors who don't speak english to open source development.

Thanks for your feedback and prompting us to do better here, at every openSUSE related conference i've been to there has always been a couple of users that come along and get inspired to be more involved and I think that's fantastic so i'd encourage everyone to come to a conference at some point if they can.

Cheers

In the same mail, you speak about language barriers and your desire to inspire more people attending to a conference. For some people, language is a problem to attend to a openSUSE conference... It's hard to attend to a conference where maybe you won't understand almost nothing! Should be exists a "translation button" to help people (like me) with no skills with English, to help in conference! :)

've phun!

This is a good point, at openSUSE Asia Summit a significant percentage of talks are in the local language, if there are people willing to organize summits in other locations I think its a model that could be worth replicating. But it probably needs 3-4 strong committees in a similar region to be sustainable (or to partner with some other conferences already running in that region). Cheers Simon -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On 1/29/20 10:11 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hey,

On 28.01.20 07:05, Simon Lees wrote:

...

a open source auto translation platform (if one doesn't exist)

https://www.apertium.org/ http://www.statmt.org/moses/?n=Advanced.Moses

Great, I guess I should file a obs feature request to get one of these solutions intergrated into the frontend for comments and submit requests :-) -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ariez J Vachha wrote:

Election candidates, et al,

Happy Chinese New Year from Hong Kong!

But here's the thing, the future relies on getting new blood involved. My recent experience in trying to get involved in the project by understand the workings of the organisation has been a long and relatively painful process. So much so that I failed in my commitment to the other election officials. I do not want to detract from any of the contribution of any of the volunteers, as I know no from other projects I'm involved in the commitment it takes.

I would like to know the candidates views on making it easier for those that want to participate, especially non coders, to do so, and how they propose to do it.

From reading the mailing lists, I can see that this has been touched on on and talked about quite a bit. I feel it needs to be moved up the priority list. Not being one to make comment if I'm unable to contribute I'm happy to volunteer in this effort regardless of election outcome.

Cheers, Ariez

Hi Ariez, et al I'm in Asia region too, and I'm here willing to help you. Maybe you can start by contacting some locals that you know interest in Linux/openSUSE have conversation with them and try to create a small event. Maintain the contact and connection with other local communities or schools are also a great way to start. China is a big country and if you can start from your city (Hong Kong) then the rest will be easy and become never ending journey. I know some persons in the mainland that I believe will help you, I can give you the name/email off-list. Here in Indonesia we're very busy with the openSUSE community, whether it is on Telegram group (currently 849 member), FB group (around 4000 member), or other thing, luckily we have some young active members who always willing to help. Some of this young member I never meet personally but they are really helpful online :-) We also do gathering here and there, we leave it to local community to make the initiative. Plan your marketing activities, we always have stock of merchandise/goodies event it is just a sticker, usb drive, t-shirt etc, make online quiz, and send it to the quiz winner. For 2020 we plan at least bi-monthly gathering, our country is as big as Europe but mainly island, so visiting local communities directly always make fun for us. We do have our own web/blog (https://opensuse.id) and also our local mirror (leap https://repo.opensuse.id and tumbleweed https://twrepo.opensuse.id) that manage 100% by local community. My suggestion, contact local community (you need young blood, believe me :)), keep your presence, communication and spirit (make website, telegram group etc), and do gathering. It is a social work, you don't get paid and don't expect anything in return. If it is do not match with you in the first place then you should be more prepare :-) yours, -- Edwin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Namaste Ariez,

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 22:49, Ariez J Vachha  wrote:
>
> Election candidates, et al,
>
> Happy Chinese New Year from Hong Kong!

There is 1 openSUSE.asia group at Slack & it is active.
Many members are active in this group & they are from APAC/JAPAC region.

Currently we are discussing about upcoming openSUSE Asia summit which
is proposed in Delhi, India.
I am sending an invite to above e-mail of yours.

Looking forward to see you at Slack.

Thanks & Regards,
Amey.
>
> Firstly let me thank the candidates for stepping forward as well as the
> other election officials especially, Ish and Edwin for their hard work
> in getting this process so far.
>
> As an openSUSE old timer, yet probably one of the newest members of
> openSUSE. I have a question for the the election candidates albeit
> extremely 11th hour, which I believe is extremely pertinent to the
> future of openSUSE. For some years I saw openSUSE fall down the rankings
> as well as as experienced some lag in the update cycles relative to
> other distros. I put this down to SUSE being passed from pillar to post
> for over a decade. Recently though openSUSE has really got its "mojo"
> back and is on fire! I've had a number of projects recently which I
> think would have been extremely difficult to execute with any other
> distribution.
>
> But here's the thing, the future relies on getting new blood involved.
> My recent experience in trying to get involved in the project by
> understand the workings of the organisation has been a long and
> relatively painful process. So much so that I failed in my commitment to
> the other election officials. I do not want to detract from any of the
> contribution of any of the volunteers, as I know no from other projects
> I'm involved in the commitment it takes.
>
> I would like to know the candidates views on making it easier for those
> that want to participate, especially non coders, to do so, and how they
> propose to do it.
>
> From reading the mailing lists, I can see that this has been touched on
> on and talked about quite a bit. I feel it needs to be moved up the
> priority list. Not being one to make comment if I'm unable to contribute
> I'm happy to volunteer in this effort regardless of election outcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Ariez
>
> On 15/01/2020 17:09, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> > [ Delayed by 2 weeks plus a night due to DNS/mail server mis-config. :-( ]
> >
> > On Thu 2019-12-26, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >> It's 26 December! The call for nominations and applications for the
> >> openSUSE Board election has ended. We received four applications.
> >> The list of candidates is as follows:
> > Thank you, Ish! And a huge thank you to the four candidates
> > for stepping up and volunteering their energy and time.
> >
> >> Should you have any question for our candidates, please feel free
> >> to ping them.
> >  1. What do you see as three, four strenghts of openSUSE that we
> > should cultivate and build upon?
> >
> >  2. What are the top three risks you see for openSUSE? (And maybe
> > ideas how to tackle them?)
> >
> >  3. What should the board do differently / more of?
> >
> >  4. If you had a blank voucher from the SUSE CEO for one wish,
> > what would that be?
> >
> >  5. What is your take on the Foundation? What do you consider
> > a realistic outcome of that endeavour? (And if different, what
> > outcome would you like to see?)
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gerald
>
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