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Valentine May

16 Dec 2020 16 Dec '20

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Sorry I seem I now must send plain text Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dezember 2020 um 23:50 Uhr Von: "Valentine May" An: project@lists.opensuse.org Betreff: Membership approval process is stuck? I think so, and my worry is that the election has officially started yesterday already.. Can the board or the Election Committee double check that the approval process is running? Some friends and I have not received an answer and we applied several days ago. Also I met someone who claims that it's been 3 weeks now since he's applied. As I said to someone in the Telegram group, I don't think opensuse needs to have people telling reddit, youtube and podcasts how funny the elections would be, with applications stuck for month and only "send an email / raise an issue / ask someone else " solutions. Sorry English is not my mother tongue. Thank you for an answer!_______________________________________________ openSUSE Project mailing list -- project@lists.opensuse.org To unsubscribe, email project-leave@lists.opensuse.org List Netiquette: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette List Archives: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org[https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org]

Martin Pluskal

17 Dec 17 Dec

06:39

On Wed, 2020-12-16 at 23:54 +0100, Valentine May wrote:

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Sorry I seem I now must send plain text

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dezember 2020 um 23:50 Uhr Von: "Valentine May" An: project@lists.opensuse.org Betreff: Membership approval process is stuck?

I think so, and my worry is that the election has officially started yesterday already.. Can the board or the Election Committee double check that the approval process is running? Some friends and I have not received an answer and we applied several days ago. Also I met someone who claims that it's been 3 weeks now since he's applied. As I said to someone in the Telegram group, I don't think opensuse needs to have people telling reddit, youtube and podcasts how funny the elections would be, with applications stuck for month and only "send an email / raise an issue / ask someone else " solutions. Sorry English is not my mother tongue. Thank you for an answer Hi

I can assure that membership approval process is running, but its not as fast as you might have expected. Please bear in mind that: * all membership comitee members are volunteers, with other things to * its not uncommon that membership comitee does nota immediately agree on application, especially when stated contributions are difficult to verify, which sadly is pretty common Cheers Martin

Valentine May

18 Dec 18 Dec

11:56

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Hello,

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I can assure that membership approval process is running, but its not as fast as you might have expected.

Discussions with applicants give evidence that many of them will not be able to participate to the election because. The membership process is "running" so fast, that they will have miss it. Could the Board look into this? Thank you

Simon Lees

13:23

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On 12/18/20 10:26 PM, Valentine May wrote:

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Hello,

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I can assure that membership approval process is running, but its not as fast as you might have expected.

Discussions with applicants give evidence that many of them will not be able to participate to the election because. The membership process is "running" so fast, that they will have miss it.

Could the Board look into this?

Sorry generally the board tries not to get involved in this unless we really have to due to the conflict of interest, especially with current board members up for reelection. Under ideal process the election officials should check with the membership officials to ensure that any membership applications received before the start of "Phase 1"[1], whether this was followed in this instance is probably a question for an election post mortum. I am unsure if the election officials can or have ever added more participants to an election once its started. (Note this email was sent from me before chatting to the rest of the board) 1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

Martin Pluskal

13:34

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On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 23:53 +1030, Simon Lees wrote:

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On 12/18/20 10:26 PM, Valentine May wrote:

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Hello,

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I can assure that membership approval process is running, but its not as fast as you might have expected.

Discussions with applicants give evidence that many of them will not be able to participate to the election because. The membership process is "running" so fast, that they will have miss it.

Could the Board look into this?

Sorry generally the board tries not to get involved in this unless we really have to due to the conflict of interest, especially with current board members up for reelection. Under ideal process the election officials should check with the membership officials to ensure that any membership applications received before the start of "Phase 1"[1], whether this was followed in this instance is probably a question for an election post mortum. I am unsure if the election officials can or have ever added more participants to an election once its started.

(Note this email was sent from me before chatting to the rest of the board)

1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election

Hi My understanding is that only those who are members at beginning of elections are eligible to vote anyways. Anyways let me assure you that applications that were recieved before beginning of elections were thoroughly evaluated, yet obviously in several cases membership officials could not come to conclusion that claimed contributions match our membership guidelines [1] - that is "continued and substantial contributions to the openSUSE project". 1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members

Simon Lees

13:51

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On 12/19/20 12:04 AM, Martin Pluskal wrote:

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On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 23:53 +1030, Simon Lees wrote:

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On 12/18/20 10:26 PM, Valentine May wrote:

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Hello,

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I can assure that membership approval process is running, but its not as fast as you might have expected.

Discussions with applicants give evidence that many of them will not be able to participate to the election because. The membership process is "running" so fast, that they will have miss it.

Could the Board look into this?

Sorry generally the board tries not to get involved in this unless we really have to due to the conflict of interest, especially with current board members up for reelection. Under ideal process the election officials should check with the membership officials to ensure that any membership applications received before the start of "Phase 1"[1], whether this was followed in this instance is probably a question for an election post mortum. I am unsure if the election officials can or have ever added more participants to an election once its started.

(Note this email was sent from me before chatting to the rest of the board)

1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election

Hi

My understanding is that only those who are members at beginning of elections are eligible to vote anyways.

Anyways let me assure you that applications that were recieved before beginning of elections were thoroughly evaluated, yet obviously in several cases membership officials could not come to conclusion that claimed contributions match our membership guidelines [1] - that is "continued and substantial contributions to the openSUSE project".

1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members

I believe that a previous board loosened the criteria a bit. From that document is that the so called "openSUSE Members" have contributed in a measurable way, shown a desire to have voting rights within the openSUSE project and have completed the application process and As mentioned in the introduction, contribution in a measurable way is the basis for becoming an "openSUSE Member" So I believe under the current rules any "Measurable Contribution" should be enough for membership rather then the old "continued and substantial contributions to the openSUSE project". Richard proposed this change and it was adopted by the community and this is what the board expects the membership officials should be using as criteria see. https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/V... and https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/H... Thanks -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

Martin Pluskal

13:58

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On Sat, 2020-12-19 at 00:21 +1030, Simon Lees wrote:

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On 12/19/20 12:04 AM, Martin Pluskal wrote:

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On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 23:53 +1030, Simon Lees wrote:

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On 12/18/20 10:26 PM, Valentine May wrote:

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Hello,

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I can assure that membership approval process is running, but its not as fast as you might have expected.

Discussions with applicants give evidence that many of them will not be able to participate to the election because. The membership process is "running" so fast, that they will have miss it.

Could the Board look into this?

Sorry generally the board tries not to get involved in this unless we really have to due to the conflict of interest, especially with current board members up for reelection. Under ideal process the election officials should check with the membership officials to ensure that any membership applications received before the start of "Phase 1"[1], whether this was followed in this instance is probably a question for an election post mortum. I am unsure if the election officials can or have ever added more participants to an election once its started.

(Note this email was sent from me before chatting to the rest of the board)

1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election

Hi

My understanding is that only those who are members at beginning of elections are eligible to vote anyways.

Anyways let me assure you that applications that were recieved before beginning of elections were thoroughly evaluated, yet obviously in several cases membership officials could not come to conclusion that claimed contributions match our membership guidelines [1] - that is "continued and substantial contributions to the openSUSE project".

1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members

I believe that a previous board loosened the criteria a bit. From that document

is that the so called "openSUSE Members" have contributed in a measurable way, shown a desire to have voting rights within the openSUSE project and have completed the application process

and

As mentioned in the introduction, contribution in a measurable way is the basis for becoming an "openSUSE Member"

So I believe under the current rules any "Measurable Contribution" should be enough for membership rather then the old "continued and substantial contributions to the openSUSE project". Richard proposed this change and it was adopted by the community and this is what the board expects the membership officials should be using as criteria see.

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/V...

and

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/H...

Thanks

Indeed And we try to be as relaxed as possible when accepting new membership applications, but still there are cases where members of membership comitee are not able to reach immediate decision. Please note that we recieve application with empty profiles, promises of future contributions and no existing one and most difficult contributions on platform where we are not present (various social media etc ...) Still in good faith we try to look up the applicant and find out if he has shown any contribution - but its not allways a trivial task ... Cheers Martin

Simon Lees

14:01

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On 12/19/20 12:28 AM, Martin Pluskal wrote:

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On Sat, 2020-12-19 at 00:21 +1030, Simon Lees wrote:

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On 12/19/20 12:04 AM, Martin Pluskal wrote:

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On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 23:53 +1030, Simon Lees wrote:

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Anyways let me assure you that applications that were recieved before beginning of elections were thoroughly evaluated, yet obviously in several cases membership officials could not come to conclusion that claimed contributions match our membership guidelines [1] - that is "continued and substantial contributions to the openSUSE project".

1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members

I believe that a previous board loosened the criteria a bit. From that document

is that the so called "openSUSE Members" have contributed in a measurable way, shown a desire to have voting rights within the openSUSE project and have completed the application process

and

As mentioned in the introduction, contribution in a measurable way is the basis for becoming an "openSUSE Member"

So I believe under the current rules any "Measurable Contribution" should be enough for membership rather then the old "continued and substantial contributions to the openSUSE project". Richard proposed this change and it was adopted by the community and this is what the board expects the membership officials should be using as criteria see.

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/V...

and

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/H...

Thanks

Indeed

And we try to be as relaxed as possible when accepting new membership applications, but still there are cases where members of membership comitee are not able to reach immediate decision.

Please note that we recieve application with empty profiles, promises of future contributions and no existing one and most difficult contributions on platform where we are not present (various social media etc ...) Still in good faith we try to look up the applicant and find out if he has shown any contribution - but its not allways a trivial task ...

Cheers

Martin

Yeah understood, I just wanted to clarify your comments in the last email as they didn't quite line up with the current rules, but I certainly understand it can be hard sometimes. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

Axel Braun

14:21

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Am Freitag, 18. Dezember 2020, 15:01:02 CET schrieb Simon Lees:

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And we try to be as relaxed as possible when accepting new membership applications, but still there are cases where members of membership comitee are not able to reach immediate decision.

Please note that we recieve application with empty profiles, promises of future contributions and no existing one and most difficult contributions on platform where we are not present (various social media etc ...) Still in good faith we try to look up the applicant and find out if he has shown any contribution - but its not allways a trivial task ...

Yeah understood, I just wanted to clarify your comments in the last email as they didn't quite line up with the current rules, but I certainly understand it can be hard sometimes.

Did anyone mention that application for membership is open 24/7 for 52 weeks, and not just the 2 weeks around elections? I trust the memership officials do the best they can, and not to forget, its volunteer work. Thanks Axel

Gerald Pfeifer

22 Dec 22 Dec

08:16

[ Stuck in my outbox over the weekend... ] On Fri 2020-12-18, Martin Pluskal wrote:

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My understanding is that only those who are members at beginning of elections are eligible to vote anyways.

I agree with Martin. This is how it works in all states or other systems I am aware of, and I suggest for https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election to reflect this (especially for furture elections). On Fri 2020-12-18, Axel Braun wrote:

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Did anyone mention that application for membership is open 24/7 for 52 weeks, and not just the 2 weeks around elections?

This. And I, too, believe membership officials do their best (which includes properly assessing applications). Gerald

Ish Sookun

18 Dec 18 Dec

18:53

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Hi Simon, On 18/12/2020 17:23, Simon Lees wrote:

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I am unsure if the election officials can or have ever added more participants to an election once its started.

The members list is exported from connect.opensuse.org. If somebody's membership application gets approved while an election is still on, we can add the member to the voters list. However, such requests should be directed to election-officials@lists.opensuse.org because we won't know how many membership applications are being approved during the election time. When a request comes, we will check connect.o.o again to verify the person's membership status and then add him/her to the voters list. Regards, Ish Sookun

Chuck Payne

21:30

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It's strange you guys push connect, I can't get in because it says " Login to profile is not availble for employees yet.". I must have missed the email that say I got hire. I haven't seen any emails saying we can start voting as well. One thing that upset me over the years, how every year membership comes up. I can't send emails because of the plain text. I use google because I use on my phone, but doesn't better if I say use UUPC to send messages, I am blocked. Also, that I can get on IRC because it block my work. Government doesn't like IRC or any chat problem. I do help with openSUSE. I feel that I am black list because I can't use those tool. Anyway, I a member like to be able to communicate and use the tools we have. On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:55 PM Ish Sookun wrote:

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Hi Simon,

On 18/12/2020 17:23, Simon Lees wrote:

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I am unsure if the election officials can or have ever added more participants to an election once its started.

The members list is exported from connect.opensuse.org.

If somebody's membership application gets approved while an election is still on, we can add the member to the voters list. However, such requests should be directed to election-officials@lists.opensuse.org because we won't know how many membership applications are being approved during the election time.

When a request comes, we will check connect.o.o again to verify the person's membership status and then add him/her to the voters list.

Regards,

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Carlos E. R.

21:59

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On 18/12/2020 22.30, Chuck Payne wrote:

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It's strange you guys push connect, I can't get in because it says " Login to profile is not availble for employees yet.". I must have missed the email that say I got hire.

open a ticket about that. Or comment on the heroes mail list.

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I haven't seen any emails saying we can start voting as well.

Maybe your registered email is different? Yes, I got the voting email, so it was sent. [...] I just found you on the connect platform. Your details seem correct. I'll try to send an email to your opensuse.org alias, please comment back if you get it or not, either way.

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One thing that upset me over the years, how every year membership comes up. I can't send emails because of the plain text. I use google because I use on my phone, but doesn't better if I say use UUPC to send messages, I am blocked.

Well, as you can see, your email got here fine.

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Also, that I can get on IRC because it block my work. Government doesn't like IRC or any chat problem. I do help with openSUSE. I feel that I am black list because I can't use those tool.

That's bad.

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Anyway, I a member like to be able to communicate and use the tools we have.

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Per Jessen

19 Dec 19 Dec

09:02

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Chuck Payne wrote:

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It's strange you guys push connect, I can't get in because it says " Login to profile is not availble for employees yet.". I must have missed the email that say I got hire.

Did you not migrate your account maybe ? https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Account_Migration

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I haven't seen any emails saying we can start voting as well.

I suggest you contact the election officials, they'll be able to help you with that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

Ish Sookun

12:45

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Hi Chuck, On 19/12/2020 01:30, Chuck Payne wrote:

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I haven't seen any emails saying we can start voting as well.

Your Gmail address is what we obtained from connect.o.o and the voting url/credential was sent to the same address. Could you please check again (in the Spam folder as well) and confirm whether you received it or not? Regards, Ish Sookun

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