[opensuse-project] IRC cloaks
One of the new things that we're trying to introduce is more @opensuse/ cloaks on Freenode. A few things remain which might be good to open up for discussion -- what cloak to give to openSUSE members? The two main options (as I see it) are: * Provide one standard IRC cloak that all openSUSE contributors/developers/translators/members would get. In this case I quite like @opensuse/<nickname> * On the other hand, would it be good to have some categorisation? Such as @opensuse/contributor, /developer, /translator? The second might be preferred since the first might not directly say why they have the cloak, or what specifically they're involved in. The first method is a lot less work, and you might avoid putting people into categories when they in reality overlap. Another issue: should @opensuse/user/<nick> be handed out to anyone who's asked for it and has signed the guiding principles? The hope is to eventually handle all IRC cloaks (and email addresses) through the user directory in the future. Thoughts? Regards, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2008-02-07 16:16:30 +0000, Francis Giannaros wrote:
One of the new things that we're trying to introduce is more @opensuse/ cloaks on Freenode. A few things remain which might be good to open up for discussion -- what cloak to give to openSUSE members?
The two main options (as I see it) are:
* Provide one standard IRC cloak that all openSUSE contributors/developers/translators/members would get. In this case I quite like @opensuse/<nickname>
* On the other hand, would it be good to have some categorisation? Such as @opensuse/contributor, /developer, /translator?
The second might be preferred since the first might not directly say why they have the cloak, or what specifically they're involved in. The first method is a lot less work, and you might avoid putting people into categories when they in reality overlap.
Another issue: should @opensuse/user/<nick> be handed out to anyone who's asked for it and has signed the guiding principles? The hope is to eventually handle all IRC cloaks (and email addresses) through the user directory in the future.
Thoughts?
+1 for the 2nd solution. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
В Чтв, 07/02/2008 в 16:16 +0000, Francis Giannaros пишет:
One of the new things that we're trying to introduce is more @opensuse/ cloaks on Freenode. A few things remain which might be good to open up for discussion -- what cloak to give to openSUSE members?
The two main options (as I see it) are:
* Provide one standard IRC cloak that all openSUSE contributors/developers/translators/members would get. In this case I quite like @opensuse/<nickname>
* On the other hand, would it be good to have some categorisation? Such as @opensuse/contributor, /developer, /translator?
The second might be preferred since the first might not directly say why they have the cloak, or what specifically they're involved in. The first method is a lot less work, and you might avoid putting people into categories when they in reality overlap.
What if a contributor participates in the project by various means? Say, a translator can easily be a developer at the same time. Thus I vote for the first solution.
Another issue: should @opensuse/user/<nick> be handed out to anyone who's asked for it and has signed the guiding principles? The hope is to eventually handle all IRC cloaks (and email addresses) through the user directory in the future.
Good idea. -- Regards, Nikolay Derkach --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Em Quinta, 7 de Fevereiro de 2008, o Francis Giannaros escreveu:
The second might be preferred since the first might not directly say why they have the cloak, or what specifically they're involved in. The first method is a lot less work, and you might avoid putting people into categories when they in reality overlap.
Yes, I agree with you. There are people involved in various areas, and restrict them to @opensuse/<cat>/<nickname> would lack the other areas. I think @opensuse/contributor would be better, because it distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).
Another issue: should @opensuse/user/<nick> be handed out to anyone who's asked for it and has signed the guiding principles? The hope is to eventually handle all IRC cloaks (and email addresses) through the user directory in the future.
You've 100% my support. While some may think it's not useful, I truly believe as giving openSUSE clocks to users will show some self-recognition, support, and encourage those users to take an active part on the community itself. Basically (ordered by status/priority): * @opensuse/developer/<nickname> (Novell employees) * @opensuse/contributor/<nickname> (openSUSE contributors) * @opensuse/user/<nickname> (openSUSE users) -- Regards, Carlos Gonçalves
On Feb 7, 2008 4:56 PM, Carlos Gonçalves
Em Quinta, 7 de Fevereiro de 2008, o Francis Giannaros escreveu:
The second might be preferred since the first might not directly say why they have the cloak, or what specifically they're involved in. The first method is a lot less work, and you might avoid putting people into categories when they in reality overlap.
Yes, I agree with you. There are people involved in various areas, and restrict them to @opensuse/<cat>/<nickname> would lack the other areas.
I think @opensuse/contributor would be better, because it distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).
Another issue: should @opensuse/user/<nick> be handed out to anyone who's asked for it and has signed the guiding principles? The hope is to eventually handle all IRC cloaks (and email addresses) through the user directory in the future.
You've 100% my support.
While some may think it's not useful, I truly believe as giving openSUSE clocks to users will show some self-recognition, support, and encourage those users to take an active part on the community itself.
Basically (ordered by status/priority):
* @opensuse/developer/<nickname> (Novell employees) * @opensuse/contributor/<nickname> (openSUSE contributors)
I really dislike this distinction because we should be aiming to remove Novell/Community distinctions in the community (as in, we're all part of the openSUSE project), and that there are people in the community who are developers (even in the strictest sense: contributing code and packaging). That's why I personally think one cloak for all members would be more ideal. Regards, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Francis Giannaros
I really dislike this distinction because we should be aiming to remove Novell/Community distinctions in the community (as in, we're all part of the openSUSE project), and that there are people in the community who are developers (even in the strictest sense: contributing code and packaging).
I would agree.
That's why I personally think one cloak for all members would be more ideal.
+1 Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager jzb@zonker.net http://zonker.opensuse.org/ http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 07/02/2008, Carlos Gonçalves
distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).
Why do you think only Novell employees can be developers? -- Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Em Quinta, 7 de Fevereiro de 2008, o Benji Weber escreveu:
On 07/02/2008, Carlos Gonçalves
wrote: distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).
Why do you think only Novell employees can be developers?
I don't think *only* Novell employees can be developers. What I do think is that 'developer' could be a title given to those who develop openSUSE full-time, which is what Novell employees are. However, I must admit that 'developer' isn't properly the best category to put them in, though I didn't find a better one at that time - the reason why I proposed use @opensuse/developer. Ah! Suggestion: @opensuse/core/<nickname> ? Forgive me to be insisting on this but I really would like to see in action @opensuse/<(novell-employees-or-so)>, @opensuse/contributor, and @opensuse/user openSUSE cloaks. -- Regards, Carlos Gonçalves
On Feb 7, 2008 8:08 PM, Carlos Gonçalves
Em Quinta, 7 de Fevereiro de 2008, o Benji Weber escreveu:
On 07/02/2008, Carlos Gonçalves
wrote: distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).
Why do you think only Novell employees can be developers?
I don't think *only* Novell employees can be developers. What I do think is that 'developer' could be a title given to those who develop openSUSE full-time, which is what Novell employees are.
However, I must admit that 'developer' isn't properly the best category to put them in, though I didn't find a better one at that time - the reason why I proposed use @opensuse/developer.
Ah! Suggestion: @opensuse/core/<nickname> ?
Forgive me to be insisting on this but I really would like to see in action @opensuse/<(novell-employees-or-so)>, @opensuse/contributor, and @opensuse/user openSUSE cloaks.
I don't see the reason why to distinguish between openSUSE "members" and Novell employed personal. openSUSE should aim to be a community project not a Novell project. Nothing wrong with being a Novell project but I don't think openSUSE should be that. Even if Novell got the ball rolling. My hope is that this would be a great project even if Novell took a step back. Today this would not work but maybe some day in the future. Warm Regards, Claes Backstrom
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:
I don't think *only* Novell employees can be developers. What I do think is that 'developer' could be a title given to those who develop openSUSE full-time, which is what Novell employees are.
The number of us exclusively working on openSUSE actually is not that high. ;-) Overall, Novell provides a very significant contribution to openSUSE, but it is more along the lines of one or two dozen people doing so full-time (rough guestimate) and a few hundred spending anywhere between five and 95% of their time on openSUSE, the average being somewhere in the middle.
Ah! Suggestion: @opensuse/core/<nickname> ?
http://www.freebsd.org/administration.html#t-core The FreeBSD Core Team constitutes the project's "Board of Directors", responsible for deciding the project's overall goals and direction as well as managing specific areas of the FreeBSD project landscape. The Core Team is elected by the active developers in the project. http://www.netbsd.org/people/core.html If the NetBSD Project were a large company, the NetBSD core group would be the technical management. No, it's not just dead weight. Rather, members of the core group set the direction and goals of the NetBSD Project as a whole, promote people's interest in the NetBSD Project and the system it produces, and consider the serious architectural questions that need to be addressed if the NetBSD Project is going to keep producing a viable system. http://www.tcl.tk/community/coreteam/ The Tcl Core Team (TCT) is a group of Tcl experts who collectively manage the development of the open source Tcl core, including the Tcl scripting language, the Tk toolkit, the Tcl Developer Exchange Web site, and more. The Tcl Core Team was formed in August 2000 with an initial membership elected by the Tcl community. ...to bring some examples I'm aware of. Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Inbound Product Mgmt T +49(911)74053-0 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) openSUSE/SUSE Linux Enterprise F +49(911)74053-483 GF: Markus Rex
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:
I think @opensuse/contributor would be better, because it distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).
This is pretty much how we do *not* want to see the future of openSUSE I'm afraid. It is our explicit goal to further an openSUSE user *and* developer community at large and diminish the difference between those on Novell's payroll and those that are not as much as possible. Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Inbound Product Mgmt T +49(911)74053-0 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) openSUSE/SUSE Linux Enterprise F +49(911)74053-483 GF: Markus Rex
On Thursday 07 February 2008 17:16:30 Francis Giannaros wrote:
@opensuse/ cloaks on Freenode. A few things remain which might be good
Another issue: should @opensuse/user/<nick> be handed out to anyone who's asked for it and has signed the guiding principles? The hope is
One mote vote for @opensuse/<nick> for acknowledged openSUSE members and @opensuse/user/<nick> for people who have signed the guiding principles. Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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Benji Weber
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Carlos Gonçalves
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Claes Backstrom
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Francis Giannaros
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Gerald Pfeifer
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Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
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Marcus Rueckert
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Nikolay Derkach
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Stephan Binner