[opensuse-project] Time for a change?! Talking on release numbers

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Kim Leyendecker

17 Dec 2010 17 Dec '10

13:53

Hi Folks! with the discussion of the version number of openSUSE 11.4 (12.0) I think we need a thread to talk about it in general. I think that the scheme we use today is the best, but some people want to change it and maybe there are some very important points that shows that a change is the best way. I hope we can use this thread to talk on the release number scheme and don't start some other discussions in other threads. hope we can find a way to use kind regards kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) Kernel 2.4.37.10-kdl Maintainer Powered by openSUSE 11.2 "Emerald" GNOME This mail was composed under Linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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Greg Freemyer

17 Dec 17 Dec

15:33

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Hi Folks!

with the discussion of the version number of openSUSE 11.4 (12.0) I think we need a thread to talk about it in general.

I think that the scheme we use today is the best, but some people want to change it and maybe there are some very important points that shows that a change is the best way.

I hope we can use this thread to talk on the release number scheme and don't start some other discussions in other threads.

hope we can find a way to use

kind regards kdl

Kim, Were you part of the large thread about numbering/naming conventions over the summer? If not you may want to read this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2010-07/msg00044.html Note the thread navigation bar on the left seems to have a few hundred messages in it. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Kim Leyendecker

15:38

On 17.12.2010 16:33, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Kim,

Were you part of the large thread about numbering/naming conventions over the summer?

If not you may want to read this thread:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2010-07/msg00044.html

Note the thread navigation bar on the left seems to have a few hundred messages in it.

Greg

No. Thanks for information. so we can close this discussion. kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) Kernel 2.4.37.10-kdl Maintainer Powered by openSUSE 11.2 "Emerald" GNOME This mail was composed under Linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

jdd

17:23

Le 17/12/2010 14:53, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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Hi Folks!

with the discussion of the version number of openSUSE 11.4 (12.0) I think we need a thread to talk about it in general.

I think that the scheme we use today is the best, but some people want to change it and maybe there are some very important points that shows that a change is the best way.

the problem is IMHO simple. A name is used to communicate with others (=not openSUSE users), and for most people the number after the period is a minor number. so 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 are vall the same version, only with some bugfixes. worst, many think X.0 is a beta version, unstable. there is no such problem with most other numbering shemes. I like the year:month system, but will be perfectly fine with a simple numbering like 12, 13... letting X.yyy for rolling releases (tumbelweed?) if ever they where necessary jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Kim Leyendecker

17:27

On 17.12.2010 18:23, jdd wrote:

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ine with a simple numbering like 12, 13... Well, I think openSUSE 23 don't look fine. It looks like release new version in unbelievable speed of time. so, I don't know. the year month theme looks interesting.

confused kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) Kernel 2.4.37.10-kdl Maintainer Powered by openSUSE 11.2 "Emerald" GNOME This mail was composed under Linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Greg KH

17:46

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 06:23:15PM +0100, jdd wrote:

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Le 17/12/2010 14:53, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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Hi Folks!

with the discussion of the version number of openSUSE 11.4 (12.0) I think we need a thread to talk about it in general.

I think that the scheme we use today is the best, but some people want to change it and maybe there are some very important points that shows that a change is the best way.

the problem is IMHO simple. A name is used to communicate with others (=not openSUSE users), and for most people the number after the period is a minor number. so 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 are vall the same version, only with some bugfixes. worst, many think X.0 is a beta version, unstable.

there is no such problem with most other numbering shemes. I like the year:month system, but will be perfectly fine with a simple numbering like 12, 13... letting X.yyy for rolling releases (tumbelweed?) if ever they where necessary

Tumbleweed doesn't need no stinking release numbers, it just moves along, constantly updating :) thanks, greg k-h p.s. tumbleweed is working right now for those who wish to try it out on an 11.3 based system... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

18:21

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:46:40 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Tumbleweed doesn't need no stinking release numbers, it just moves along, constantly updating :)

thanks,

greg k-h

p.s. tumbleweed is working right now for those who wish to try it out on an 11.3 based system...

I would love to try it out! Where's the web page / repo list? Do I just change out a couple of repos? -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Greg KH

18:43

New subject: [opensuse-project] Using Tumbleweed (was Time for a change?! Talking on release numbers)

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:21:13AM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:46:40 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Tumbleweed doesn't need no stinking release numbers, it just moves along, constantly updating :)

thanks,

greg k-h

p.s. tumbleweed is working right now for those who wish to try it out on an 11.3 based system...

I would love to try it out! Where's the web page / repo list? Do I just change out a couple of repos?

Yes, to try out Tumbleweed, just add: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/ as a repo to your openSUSE 11.3 system, and then run: zypper dup to update to the latest versions of the kernel, samba, apache, and a variety of other packages. Note, please be careful, things might break in the future as we work out some of the kinks in the system (like how to properly update versions of python and perl and some system libraries), but you should always be able to just remove the repo and update back to a "clean" 11.3 system if things go wrong, but I can't guarantee anything at this point in time. And if there are any packages that you would like to see updated that aren't, please let me know and I will work on it. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

18:54

New subject: [opensuse-project] Using Tumbleweed (was Time for a change?! Talking on release numbers)

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:43:31 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:21:13AM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:46:40 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Tumbleweed doesn't need no stinking release numbers, it just moves along, constantly updating :)

thanks,

greg k-h

p.s. tumbleweed is working right now for those who wish to try it out on an 11.3 based system...

I would love to try it out! Where's the web page / repo list? Do I just change out a couple of repos?

Yes, to try out Tumbleweed, just add:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/

...

as a repo to your openSUSE 11.3 system, and then run: zypper dup to update to the latest versions of the kernel, samba, apache, and a variety of other packages.

Note, please be careful, things might break in the future as we work out some of the kinks in the system (like how to properly update versions of python and perl and some system libraries), but you should always be able to just remove the repo and update back to a "clean" 11.3 system if things go wrong, but I can't guarantee anything at this point in time.

And if there are any packages that you would like to see updated that aren't, please let me know and I will work on it.

thanks,

greg k-h

The only packages I'm really looking to get updated in "generic" openSUSE (11.4 and beyond) are the PostgreSQL database packages. 9.0 was released a couple months ago and the last time I looked, PostgreSQL 9.0.1 was the stable release. I found 9.0 in one of the database repos, but I'd really like to see 9.0.1 make it into 11.4 if at all possible. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Greg KH

19:08

New subject: [opensuse-project] Using Tumbleweed (was Time for a change?! Talking on release numbers)

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:54:48AM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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The only packages I'm really looking to get updated in "generic" openSUSE (11.4 and beyond) are the PostgreSQL database packages. 9.0 was released a couple months ago and the last time I looked, PostgreSQL 9.0.1 was the stable release. I found 9.0 in one of the database repos, but I'd really like to see 9.0.1 make it into 11.4 if at all possible.

Is 9.0.1 in openSUSE:Factory at the moment? I only see 8.4.4 right now. Go poke the postgresql packages about this issue, I can't update Tumbleweed before the packages are in Factory at the very least. sorry, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

19:43

New subject: [opensuse-project] Using Tumbleweed (was Time for a change?! Talking on release numbers)

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:08:49 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:54:48AM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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The only packages I'm really looking to get updated in "generic" openSUSE (11.4 and beyond) are the PostgreSQL database packages. 9.0 was released a couple months ago and the last time I looked, PostgreSQL 9.0.1 was the stable release. I found 9.0 in one of the database repos, but I'd really like to see 9.0.1 make it into 11.4 if at all possible.

Is 9.0.1 in openSUSE:Factory at the moment? I only see 8.4.4 right now. Go poke the postgresql packages about this issue, I can't update Tumbleweed before the packages are in Factory at the very least.

sorry,

greg k-h

9.0.0 is in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Application:/Geo:/Postgres84PostGI.... 9.0.1 isn't anywhere as far as I know, but there should be no difference between the build process in OBS between the two. I installed 9.0.0 from that repo a couple minutes ago but haven't done any testing yet. I've got to write some Perl code to test it out, so it may be a couple of days. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Greg KH

19:50

New subject: [opensuse-project] Using Tumbleweed (was Time for a change?! Talking on release numbers)

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:43:37AM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:08:49 -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:54:48AM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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The only packages I'm really looking to get updated in "generic" openSUSE (11.4 and beyond) are the PostgreSQL database packages. 9.0 was released a couple months ago and the last time I looked, PostgreSQL 9.0.1 was the stable release. I found 9.0 in one of the database repos, but I'd really like to see 9.0.1 make it into 11.4 if at all possible.

Is 9.0.1 in openSUSE:Factory at the moment? I only see 8.4.4 right now. Go poke the postgresql packages about this issue, I can't update Tumbleweed before the packages are in Factory at the very least.

sorry,

greg k-h

9.0.0 is in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Application:/Geo:/Postgres84PostGI.... 9.0.1 isn't anywhere as far as I know, but there should be no difference between the build process in OBS between the two. I installed 9.0.0 from that repo a couple minutes ago but haven't done any testing yet. I've got to write some Perl code to test it out, so it may be a couple of days.

Again, the packages need to be in Factory before they can go into Tumbleweed. Please work with the developers to get them included there, as there is nothing I can do with getting them into Tumbleweed before that happens. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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