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Svebor Prstačić

11 Dec 2013 11 Dec '13

12:58

Hi all, We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not. So in hope to reach a community decision, and have the dos and the don'ts defined, please give your thoughts on the ideas below - what you see could, should, couldn't or shouldn't be done. * Upsides * - It is a way to attract sponsors - Would provide insights to users' POV and, - It is a way for the community to get some potentially interesting feedback - Might result in finding a way for sponsors to support or work with the community - Might be interesting for community members using openSUSE for business too * Downsides * - Might not be as community oriented as we would like - Might not be openSUSE centered enough ..? * Format / description * - it could be in a dedicated room, last half a day - start with a few sponsor / business lectures and end with a round table or discussion between the community, SUSE, sponsors? - comments on this topic from Hans De Raad (potential sponsor): "would a sponsor have the opportunity to do some informative promotional sessions? I'd also like to do some demo's about the client side of openSUSE and the current level of usability the groupware suites (Thunderbird/Lightning, Kontact) have achieved, is that something you would consider?" - do we say that the prerequisite is to be a sponsor to apply for a business lecture in the business track? - the simplest formula I see would be: have business topics in one room for half a day, or the whole day... - or have lectures first and then continue with a round table .. have a discussion about stuff What is "stuff" could be left to our sponsors/business lecturers to tell us: what do they care about in free software, in openSUSE that helps or enables them to do business and discuss that. It could be interesting to try to find a way for them to become a part of the community or supporters of the community's efforts. * The DOs * - lectures are openSUSE related - lectures are free software or open source related * The DON’Ts * - talk excessively about your company and your products, sales talks Pozdrav, Svebor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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Henne Vogelsang

11 Dec 11 Dec

14:07

Hey, On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again.

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* The DOs * - lectures are openSUSE related - lectures are free software or open source related

* The DON’Ts * - talk excessively about your company and your products, sales talks

This is a general rule for oSC and doesn't differentiate the "business track" from other tracks. What does? :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Svebor Prstačić

15:18

Hi, On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 15:07 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again.

Series of business lectures by sponsors (or individuals if the committee decides the topic is of interest) in a single room, whole morning, afternoon or day (depending on interest and demand). We could say that if you intend to talk about your business, you must be a sponsor.

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* The DOs * - lectures are openSUSE related - lectures are free software or open source related

* The DON’Ts * - talk excessively about your company and your products, sales talks

This is a general rule for oSC and doesn't differentiate the "business track" from other tracks. What does? :-)

That would at least be the title. :-) And of course topics must be business related too. Would it be too much to allow the program committee to be a little more flexible with accepting business topics from sponsors that aren't strictly related to openSUSE, but are related in general to Linux, free software or open source? Of course, another possibility is to let the sponsors go (almost) wild with topics. Not sure how acceptable that would be though. Svebor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Izabel Valverde

15:27

2013/12/11 Svebor Prstačić :

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Hi,

On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 15:07 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again.

Series of business lectures by sponsors (or individuals if the committee decides the topic is of interest) in a single room, whole morning, afternoon or day (depending on interest and demand).

We could say that if you intend to talk about your business, you must be a sponsor.

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* The DOs * - lectures are openSUSE related - lectures are free software or open source related

* The DON’Ts * - talk excessively about your company and your products, sales talks

This is a general rule for oSC and doesn't differentiate the "business track" from other tracks. What does? :-)

That would at least be the title. :-) And of course topics must be business related too.

Would it be too much to allow the program committee to be a little more flexible with accepting business topics from sponsors that aren't strictly related to openSUSE, but are related in general to Linux, free software or open source?

Of course, another possibility is to let the sponsors go (almost) wild with topics. Not sure how acceptable that would be though.

Svebor

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Hi Svebor, The last three conferences, oSC11, oSC12 and oSC13 I worked helping to find sponsors. Since a horrible brochure that thanks to Tigerfoot became really nice for 2011, and in 2012 and 2013 the brochure were based in the 2011 one but with corrections reviewed by SUSE lawyers in any case. My goal wasn't try to find "local companies", based in Nuremberg 2011, Prague for 2012 and Thessaloniki for 2013. The local organizers dealed with them. When the partner was related to Social Media, e.g., Linux Magazine we addressed to SUSE/Jos to talk to them. We had good sponsors and their employees willing to participate followed the CfP deadline. It happened twice the sponsors didn't want a slot for talks. We had partners either and in these case most of them were speakers - or how the main organizers wanted - Keynote. To be considerer a partner besides keynote they paid for their own trip. I can send more details and in case you want share some networking. Izabel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Svebor Prstačić

20:33

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2013/12/11 Svebor Prstačić :

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Hi,

On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 15:07 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not. I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again. Series of business lectures by sponsors (or individuals if the committee decides the topic is of interest) in a single room, whole morning, afternoon or day (depending on interest and demand).

We could say that if you intend to talk about your business, you must be a sponsor.

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* The DOs * - lectures are openSUSE related - lectures are free software or open source related

* The DON’Ts * - talk excessively about your company and your products, sales talks This is a general rule for oSC and doesn't differentiate the "business track" from other tracks. What does? :-) That would at least be the title. :-) And of course topics must be business related too.

Would it be too much to allow the program committee to be a little more flexible with accepting business topics from sponsors that aren't strictly related to openSUSE, but are related in general to Linux, free software or open source?

Of course, another possibility is to let the sponsors go (almost) wild with topics. Not sure how acceptable that would be though.

Svebor

-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Svebor, Hey Izabel, The last three conferences, oSC11, oSC12 and oSC13 I worked helping to find sponsors. Since a horrible brochure that thanks to Tigerfoot became really nice for 2011, and in 2012 and 2013 the brochure were based in the 2011 one but with corrections reviewed by SUSE lawyers in any case. My goal wasn't try to find "local companies", based in Nuremberg 2011, Prague for 2012 and Thessaloniki for 2013. The local organizers dealed with them. Got it. Would you also be willing to help with the search for sponsors for oSC14?

When the partner was related to Social Media, e.g., Linux Magazine we addressed to SUSE/Jos to talk to them.

We had good sponsors and their employees willing to participate followed the CfP deadline. It happened twice the sponsors didn't want a slot for talks. Were these the 2 and 3 minute talks at closing they didn't want or the longer - normal lecture talks?

We had partners either and in these case most of them were speakers - or how the main organizers wanted - Keynote. To be considerer a partner besides keynote they paid for their own trip. Yes, Stella explained that is also an option. There is a possibility

On 11.12.2013 16:27, Izabel Valverde wrote: that FSFE will be a community partner at oSC14. Waiting for feedback.

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I can send more details and in case you want share some networking.

Of course! Please do share whatever you think can be useful. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

12 Dec 12 Dec

12:11

Dobar dan, On 11.12.2013 16:18, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 15:07 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again.

Series of business lectures

What sets business lectures apart from normal lectures?

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And of course topics must be business related too.

What is business related and what isn't? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Jos Poortvliet

16 Dec 16 Dec

13:13

On Thursday 12 December 2013 13:11:09 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Dobar dan,

On 11.12.2013 16:18, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 15:07 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again.

Series of business lectures

What sets business lectures apart from normal lectures?

Being boring? Being in the business track? I'd like to point out that while perhaps you ask these questions to get people to think, they have a tendency to be perceived as discouraging and negative. If you happen to care about that, I suggest to either pre-pend the questions with some encouraging remarks ("I like the idea, just have some questions") or ask less obvious things (it is not like we haven't had business tracks before, and so do other events - nobody here can imagine that you don't have a pretty good idea how to answer the question you just asked). Back on topic, the business track would be a place where we collect business related talks - about deploying Kolab or typo3 for example. Stuff most home users won't find interesting. Just like most business aren't terribly interested in Steam.

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And of course topics must be business related too.

What is business related and what isn't?

Kolab is, games are not. Anything in between will be up to whoever volunteers for the CfP. I'd suggest getting somebody from the business side involved - I bet Hans de Raadt would be more than willing to have a look at talk proposals. And yes - there is overlap, strongly depending on what type of business you'd attract. ISV's would be interested in an OBS talk, small IT companies running servers for their customers would love ownCloud, Drupal and Kolab talks. I'd leave it up to the CfP committee to figure out the details. Let's avoid bikeshedding, please. The question Svebor had is not about every single possible detail, but if we think it makes sense to have a business track. Do we feel it takes away from the event, do we feel we don't like people who potentially come in a suit and run their own little company, or do we think it is great that there are companies out there trying to make a dime bringing Free Software to their customers and we'd like to give them a chance to meet at our event and talk about what they do. For the record: I fully support the idea of doing a business track. In general, I think separating the subjects in tracks helps create some clarity and direction. Eg having a programming track (with workshops?) could be cool, too - starting with a beginners' talk or two and going a bit deeper after that, perhaps. And a packaging track, with workshops but also perhaps discussions on how to improve our packaging guidelines or stuff like that...

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Henne

Kostas Koudaras

14:00

2013/12/16 Jos Poortvliet :

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On Thursday 12 December 2013 13:11:09 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Dobar dan,

On 11.12.2013 16:18, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 15:07 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again.

Series of business lectures

What sets business lectures apart from normal lectures?

Being boring? Being in the business track? I'd like to point out that while perhaps you ask these questions to get people to think, they have a tendency to be perceived as discouraging and negative. If you happen to care about that, I suggest to either pre-pend the questions with some encouraging remarks ("I like the idea, just have some questions") or ask less obvious things (it is not like we haven't had business tracks before, and so do other events - nobody here can imagine that you don't have a pretty good idea how to answer the question you just asked).

Back on topic, the business track would be a place where we collect business related talks - about deploying Kolab or typo3 for example. Stuff most home users won't find interesting. Just like most business aren't terribly interested in Steam.

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And of course topics must be business related too.

What is business related and what isn't?

Kolab is, games are not. Anything in between will be up to whoever volunteers for the CfP. I'd suggest getting somebody from the business side involved - I bet Hans de Raadt would be more than willing to have a look at talk proposals.

And yes - there is overlap, strongly depending on what type of business you'd attract. ISV's would be interested in an OBS talk, small IT companies running servers for their customers would love ownCloud, Drupal and Kolab talks.

I'd leave it up to the CfP committee to figure out the details. Let's avoid bikeshedding, please. The question Svebor had is not about every single possible detail, but if we think it makes sense to have a business track. Do we feel it takes away from the event, do we feel we don't like people who potentially come in a suit and run their own little company, or do we think it is great that there are companies out there trying to make a dime bringing Free Software to their customers and we'd like to give them a chance to meet at our event and talk about what they do.

For the record: I fully support the idea of doing a business track. In general, I think separating the subjects in tracks helps create some clarity and direction. Eg having a programming track (with workshops?) could be cool, too - starting with a beginners' talk or two and going a bit deeper after that, perhaps. And a packaging track, with workshops but also perhaps discussions on how to improve our packaging guidelines or stuff like that...

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Henne

Well my concern as it was last year is only one, Lets say we have a business Track, what should we put in the other tracks at the same time? Just to be more clear, can we put a highly interesting talk(meaning that e know it will have a lot of people) or not? Should we put the business track in the main room or not? If one business gives 1k and another one 5k and we also have SUSE, where is the line on what to give and to whom? Between those questions, another million are hidden, I hope you get my point of view. I personal like the idea but I strongly believe that we should do it without "disturbing the force" and risk on getting out the wrong message for oSC. Just my 2 drachmas Kostas -- --- \m/ --- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://www.kde.gr http://warlordfff.tk --- \m/ --- me I am not I --- \m/ --- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

14:22

Hey, On 16.12.2013 14:13, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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On Thursday 12 December 2013 13:11:09 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 11.12.2013 16:18, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 15:07 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 11.12.2013 13:58, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

I think you need to define what you mean by "business track" or we're going to discuss this to death again.

Series of business lectures

What sets business lectures apart from normal lectures?

Being boring? Being in the business track? I'd like to point out that while perhaps you ask these questions to get people to think, they have a tendency to be perceived as discouraging and negative.

I ask these questions because I can't come up with a good definition for a business track myself. Otherwise, being the nice guy I am, I would propose it :-)

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Back on topic, the business track would be a place where we collect business related talks - about deploying Kolab or typo3 for example. Stuff most home users won't find interesting. Just like most business aren't terribly interested in Steam.

Thanks for one example. Deploying enterprise collaboration software. Anything else? I'm asking because everything I can come up with is equally interesting for businesses as it is for advanced users/admins. Examples from oSC13: * Icinga, Puppet, Rails workshop * The GNU/Linux knowledge certification value * Introduction to MySQL Security. What's new in 5.6 * Logical Volume Manager * HA with open source all not very interesting for Steam-Users while very interesting for businesses AND power users. So where do you draw the line?

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And of course topics must be business related too.

What is business related and what isn't?

Kolab is, games are not.

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I'd leave it up to the CfP committee to figure out the details.

Yeah thanks. BTW you're not in the CfP team right? I am.

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Let's avoid bikeshedding, please. The question Svebor had is not about every single possible detail, but if we think it makes sense to have a business track.

Dude you're not serious, how can we decide on such a question with details on the level of "Kolab-not-Steam"? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Jos Poortvliet

15:11

On Monday 16 December 2013 15:22:51 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 16.12.2013 14:13, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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On Thursday 12 December 2013 13:11:09 Henne Vogelsang wrote: <snip> Back on topic, the business track would be a place where we collect business related talks - about deploying Kolab or typo3 for example. Stuff most home users won't find interesting. Just like most business aren't terribly interested in Steam.

Thanks for one example. Deploying enterprise collaboration software. Anything else? I'm asking because everything I can come up with is equally interesting for businesses as it is for advanced users/admins. Examples from oSC13:

* Icinga, Puppet, Rails workshop * The GNU/Linux knowledge certification value * Introduction to MySQL Security. What's new in 5.6 * Logical Volume Manager * HA with open source

all not very interesting for Steam-Users while very interesting for businesses AND power users. So where do you draw the line?

Same way you always divide subjects in tracks - the wet-thumb method we call it in Dutch ;-) It isn't like people are only allowed to visit one track or have to pay for each track or something... Much of the ones you mention are indeed very sys admin specific, perhaps asking for business proposals will bring in something that seems quite clearly separate? If not, rename it to business and big iron track or something. Look, for me, this is as much about messaging as it is about the content. If we SAY we have a business track, we're more likely to get business proposals. Then we put them together and business people see there's something specific for them and they come. Would we have been able to have the same subjects without the track? Yes. Would we have been able to have business people join the event? Yes. But both things are easier and stronger if you make them explicit. It's about perception and communication - do we consider business an important thing for oSC? Do we want to attract business people? Then let's do this. If not, fair enough, we don't do it.

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What is business related and what isn't?

Kolab is, games are not.

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I'd leave it up to the CfP committee to figure out the details.

Yeah thanks. BTW you're not in the CfP team right? I am.

I'm not, atm. If you want me to - I'd be happy to help out.

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Let's avoid bikeshedding, please. The question Svebor had is not about every single possible detail, but if we think it makes sense to have a business track.

Dude you're not serious, how can we decide on such a question with details on the level of "Kolab-not-Steam"?

Because it's a matter of principle. Dividing things between tracks is ALWAYS complicated - overlap is the norm, not the exception. So we have to decide if we want to try and provide a track for business, or not. We have some examples and a long mail detailing pro's and con's. If we can't decide on the big picture, the color of the shed is immaterial.

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Henne

Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger

17 Dec 17 Dec

23:47

On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 14:13 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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Kolab is, games are not. Anything in between will be up to whoever volunteers for the CfP. I'd suggest getting somebody from the business side involved - I bet Hans de Raadt would be more than willing to have a look at talk proposals.

That's a bald statement: what if STEAM as a company would be presenting 'steam'? sounds very much like it belongs into the business track. As you state: the difference is not so much black and white. It's more likely about the intent of the company / presenter: the typical business track is about promoting 'the own business and products', on a fine line between a boring sales pitch and actually presenting what the company CAN do and DOES DO for the open source eco system. Dominique -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Efstathios Iosifidis

18 Dec 18 Dec

07:35

2013/12/18 Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger :

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On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 14:13 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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Kolab is, games are not. Anything in between will be up to whoever volunteers for the CfP. I'd suggest getting somebody from the business side involved - I bet Hans de Raadt would be more than willing to have a look at talk proposals.

That's a bald statement: what if STEAM as a company would be presenting 'steam'? sounds very much like it belongs into the business track.

Offtopic: I proposed to Greek community to test steam on openSUSE and present it to the conference. The only reply I got was SteamOS is different than Steam. /S -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://www.eiosifidis.info http://gnome.eiosifidis.info http://www.gnome.gr http://www.opensuse.gr Great leaders don't tell you what to do...They show you how it's done. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts...absolutely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Jos Poortvliet

09:05

On Wednesday 18 December 2013 00:47:25 Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 14:13 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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Kolab is, games are not. Anything in between will be up to whoever volunteers for the CfP. I'd suggest getting somebody from the business side involved - I bet Hans de Raadt would be more than willing to have a look at talk proposals.

That's a bald statement: what if STEAM as a company would be presenting 'steam'? sounds very much like it belongs into the business track.

True, if there would of course be an audience of game developers - if it is presenting for users, it would not be for a business track, if you ask me. The name should probably be more like 'b2b' track, a track where (people from) companies can talk together about technologies, share success stories and do's and don'ts, learn from each other, perhaps form business relationships ('networking'), stuff like that. That they would advertise their stuff is good in as far as the listeners are interested in that. So Steam talking to game developers about their platform - fine for a business track. Steam talking about how awesome their games are for users wouldn't fit in the track.

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As you state: the difference is not so much black and white.

Yeah, it's vague. I hope my explanation above helps. More below :D

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It's more likely about the intent of the company / presenter: the typical business track is about promoting 'the own business and products', on a fine line between a boring sales pitch and actually presenting what the company CAN do and DOES DO for the open source eco system.

Yes, and as I noted - I think it should be interesting for other business. That's why I suggested to have business folk help decide what is interesting. And for Free and Open Source Software, small and medium businesses doing 'things' with FOSS are the most interesting group of course. We'd give them a place to talk about stuff, hopefully strengthening the openSUSE-FOSS ecosystem - which could of course benefit us as they might do big deployments (get us users) or even contribute in various ways (like Hans de Raad or B1 do). So, to make it as concrete as I can: the business track is to let B1, DevHdR and Kolabsys talk to each other AND find and attrackt new B1's, Kolabsys'es and DevHdR's. Of course they could 'just' be part of the normal tracks, but especially the 'attraction' part works better if we can advertise a 'special' business track on a day that fits business working hours (hint: not a Sunday). Now, the question is: does anybody have a strong argument as to why we should NOT do that? Because if not, I think Svebor, as organizer of the event, can and should go and do what he thinks is best. Hugs, Jos

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Dominique

Robert Schweikert

12 Dec 12 Dec

10:16

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: oSC14 - business track

Hi, On 12/11/2013 07:58 AM, Svebor Prstačić wrote:

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Hi all,

We have been thinking about a business track idea for oSC14, but aren't sure whether to do this (and how) or not.

So in hope to reach a community decision, and have the dos and the don'ts defined, please give your thoughts on the ideas below - what you see could, should, couldn't or shouldn't be done.

I personally have no objections to having a business track.

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* Upsides * - It is a way to attract sponsors - Would provide insights to users' POV and, - It is a way for the community to get some potentially interesting feedback - Might result in finding a way for sponsors to support or work with the community - Might be interesting for community members using openSUSE for business too

* Downsides * - Might not be as community oriented as we would like - Might not be openSUSE centered enough ..?

* Format / description * - it could be in a dedicated room, last half a day - start with a few sponsor / business lectures and end with a round table or discussion between the community, SUSE, sponsors? - comments on this topic from Hans De Raad (potential sponsor): "would a sponsor have the opportunity to do some informative promotional sessions?

I see the "promotional" part as a secondary effect. Something for pure promotional purposes should be kept to a very short "presentation" of 3 to 5 minutes. I could see a business track work where: - businesses present how they use FOSS to solve their unique problems. - present areas where FOSS is still failing to meet their needs

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I'd also like to do some demo's about the client side of openSUSE and the current level of usability the groupware suites (Thunderbird/Lightning, Kontact) have achieved, is that something you would consider?"

The presentation of usability of tools such as Thunderbird and others should not take place in a "business track". Consider that just the name of the track will make a number of people "disregard" the sessions presented in this area. For this I would much more be in favor of having a "user track" that focuses as a whole on usage of applications. "Tips and tricks for Libre Office", "Using GIMP" and things like that come to mind as potential topics.

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- do we say that the prerequisite is to be a sponsor to apply for a business lecture in the business track?

I would not be in favor of such a requirement.

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- the simplest formula I see would be: have business topics in one room for half a day, or the whole day...

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