Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 14:04:57 Per Jessen wrote:
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 09:08:20 Per Jessen wrote:
Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Hi,
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Sorry, that's apparently how the openSUSE community works - if we're not happy with it, it's up to us to change it. And I don't think it's better done by not discussing changes at all.
I'm sure that is not what Alberto meant.
I wonder what the value of this meta-discussion is. I don't see how we have to ask for discussion?
The maintainers of systemd and the maintainers of sysvinit want to have systemd. That's quite clear. Nobody has stepped up with an alternative proposal and offered to do better. So the decision has been made implicitly by those who do the work. That is how a FOSS community works.
Every now and then I see references to "Product Management" - don't they have a say?
Not over openSUSE, no.
Okay, I was not aware we had progressed so far. Can I quote you?
Certainly. Maybe we should have said "deliberation" instead, as I think Guido Berhoerster also did initially.
Deliberation suggests the people involved haven't thought about it
Not really, but I won't bore you with explaining it. Google is your friend.
and I think that is not a fair assesment. Really, if anyone has objections, he/she should bring them up. In absense of those it makes sense to trust the experts, don't you think?
(please stop being condescending, it doesn't suit you). No, I don't think so. It doesn't always make sense to leave decision making to the experts. In particular when it comes to controversial or non-trivial decisions, I think it makes sense to ask the experts to deliberate with the community first. Not seek a consensus, just inform people about pros and cons and whys and hows. Like I suggested to Greg KH, developers (and experts) often live in ivory towers, blissfully unaware. This does not, imho, make them qualified to make decisions for the greater good. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org