On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 14:16 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
After reading all emails and having many discussions about the default desktop topic, I've wrote up the following draft proposal (at the end of my long email) and propose to enact it.
One of the things that most interests me about this debate is the excessive argumentation and extrapolation from whatever percentage of install-base, to the idea that we should substantially offend our growing Gnome community. Personally, I'm pretty annoyed by claims that openSUSE is, or should be a KDE focused distribution, whatever it's history - that at least is my bias.
Having said that - all this talk of "policy", and logic, reason, marketing and so on suggests to me that this decision is a highly charged, multi-disciplinary, nuanced - and *extremely* non-technical one. In fact, it is hard to discern any technical issue here at all - the code change in question is utterly trivial, even for my basic ycp skills :-)
Indeed, to me this looks like a simple conflict between three opposed view-points[1] "KDE default, no default, and GNOME default" - with apparently no substantial chance of compromise, and seemingly a lack of clarity around who is empowered to make the decision. Indeed - to me, it seems like we have the obvious compromise position selected already. [...] The proposal I made - and I expect the board to put up it's voice in the regard here as Michael Löffler mentioned -, was my try to give a balanced view: * The choice to *only* set the radio button was something
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 14:07:58 Michael Meeks wrote: that Vincent "could live with" * I'm for alphabetical order, so GNOME is first but KDE is preselected ;) * The statement that both a first class desktops is something that I consider important. I'm fine with other proposals as well and think that any proposal should take into account that: * we have an active GNOME developer community * we have a significant number of GNOME users. * we have an active KDE developer community * we have a majority of KDE users * There seem to be some kind of old wounds and perceived mistreatment by the KDE developers. * We need to heal these wounds without opening new ones.
So, my minimal counter proposal would not be "no default" but: * No desktop is preselected * We discuss the order of GNOME and KDE on the screen * and most importantly: we make a public statement that both GNOME and KDE are first class citiziens - and discuss what this really means!
Thanks for the proposal.
The proposal I liked was the change the selection to check boxes with both
selected. This keeps the status quo and allows easy deselection. Should
someone deselect both, then a warning should be thrown, unless other or
advanced choices are selected. This would then allow the new user to just
click next. I also like the idea of the guided tour to both desktops
being available to allow users to make an educated choice.
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Boyd Gerber